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From shopping to shooting - your views
8:30am Thursday 9th October 2008 in Readers' views By Letters to the editor
Lucky to have such a range of shops
As Asda begins it’s strangulation of local businesses by actually preventing us from getting into town, I would like to share with your readers just a few of the very wonderful shops I have visited over the past weeks.
Shops which provide friendly, local services and which put their money back into the local economy.
M and J Framing has provided us with most of the frames around the ludicrous number of prints, posters and photographs we have hanging on the walls of our house — always happy to oblige with any small request and always willing to pass the time of day, even when framing pictures of donkeys!
Butlins, the jewellers down Cavendish Street is the sort of place you can go to for advice, the unusual gift and who will look at why your watch isn’t working and won’t charge you when they find they can do nothing to help you. Such a lovely shop and, sadly, becoming all too reminiscent of a slower, more helpful age.
The Wharf — friendly, know what they are actually talking about and will try to help you find exactly what you are looking for. Reasonable prices, quality jewellery and a place we have visited again and again.
Riddlesden Post Office — I did mention it in passing before, but they do know what they are doing, do it efficiently, with big smiles on their faces and are quite happy to point anyone in the right direction. With future post office closures mentioned, make sure you use this one.
We are incredibly lucky to have such a range of shops in the area. Let us all make sure they are used and that Cavendish Street doesn’t become a shadow of it’s former self.
Antony Silson Skipton Road
Thanks to park runners
Hundreds of people laced up their trainers and descended on Bradford at the weekend to support the British Heart Foundation (BHF).
More than 200 people opted for the 3km or 5km route around Lister Park on Sunday to raise vital funds for the nation’s heart charity.
I would like to thank everyone who came from all over West Yorkshire, including the Keighley area, to take part in this event and support us.
The BHF is working hard across the Bradford district to beat heart disease and funds schemes with community groups, projects within Bradford Primary Care Trust, and research projects at local universities. Heart disease touches us all — lives are cut short, living is harder and chances are it has already affected you or someone you know. Over 100,000 people die each year from coronary heart disease, the most common cause of premature death in the UK.
Helen Whiteley BHF Regional Events Organiser
Stop 'fat cat' shooters
While the economic downturn is giving us little to cheer about, one small glimmer of hope to come out of the crisis is that perhaps the unscrupulous business of commercial shooting, which depends heavily on corporate spend, will also start to feel the crunch this year.
Last weekend heralded the start of the pheasant shooting season, an industry which rears tens of thousands of birds in shockingly low-welfare conditions before releasing them into the countryside to be shot by paying guns.
The UK shooting industry is grossly wasteful and dependent on the cash from fat cats with limitless expense accounts.
Members of shooting parties can each expect to kill as many as 400 birds a day on a corporate shoot, spending anything up to £10,000 for the privilege.
When most of us are tightening our belts and counting the costs of day-to-day living, the League Against Cruel Sports would like assurances from companies and businesses that they will not buy into this blood sport, which profits from companies willing to waste money killing live targets for the sake of a corporate jolly.
Douglas Batchelor Chief Executive, League Against Cruel Sports, New Sparling House, Godalming, Surrey
Simple Will to aid others
Many readers may be worried about the economy and how recent turmoil will affect their own work and worth.
However, one thing we can all do to protect the hard earned assets we do own is to write a proper will. This is the only way to make sure that when we die our personal property and savings go to the people and causes we care about, exactly as we would wish.
Without a legally valid will, our assets will be distributed according to the rules of intestacy, which may mean that they go to relatives we hardly know, or who really don’t need the money — or to the Treasury. Unless people face up to the need to make a will, when they die their loved ones could face stress, hardship and substantial legal costs.
If readers act quickly, they have a great opportunity to put their affairs in order, while helping others. Generous solicitors in this area are willing to draw up a basic will free of charge in November. Why? Because they have signed up to raise money for the nine UK charities participating in Will Aid’s National Make a Will Month: ActionAid, British Red Cross, Christian Aid, Help the Aged, NSPCC, Save the Children UK, Sightsavers International, SCIAF (Scotland) and Trocaire (Northern Ireland).
In return for writing a basic will, the participating solicitors hope clients will choose to donate to the Will Aid charities the fee they would normally charge. For further information call 0300 0300 013 or log on to willaid.org.uk.
Shirley Marsland Will Aid Campaign Manager
Comments(122)
samuels david
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6:03pm Sat 11 Oct 08
As a Keighley Town Councillor with a keen interest in what happen, not only in my ward of Spring Gardens and Utley I took it upon myself to once again test the reaction to the street market in Keighley and what affect it has had on Keighley Market itself.
Most of the comments towards Keighley Town Council and it involvement with the street market, and to put it as delicately as I can, were not pleasant!
People who year in and year out are trying to make a living in the Keighley Town Market and especially in these recessionary times, with the high rents and rates put on them by a virtually bust Bradford District Council do not need the efforts of the Keighley Town Council Events Committee, in conjunction with Bradford City, to bring bankruptcy to by the hard working tenants of the Keighley Market.
Astonishingly one of my fellow Keighley councillors who were in the Market with the Keighley Town Clerk, refused to talk to the Market Traders as it was an ‘Event Committee function’. I reminded the Keighley Councillor that as Keighley Town Councillors it was our duty to enquire as to the viability of such events. The Councillor refused! It seemed from all of the Market traders that I questioned that I was the only Keighley Councillor who had engaged in conversation with the Market traders regarding the situation!
After all the garbage, vile words, innuendoes etc thrown at me and my fellow colleagues by some Keighley Committee Chairman and their friends, do not match up to the reality of sound prudent actions called for by me and my associates. I suggest that to all those who have suggested that we are not pulling our weight in this town should now reconsider their positions as Keighley Town Councillors. As no useful outcome will be made of my studies, I expect to be tried, found guiltily and be summarily ~put down’ by the ubiquitous Keighley Town Council Management and Staffing Committee.
blt1
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9:04pm Sat 11 Oct 08
when are we going to see an end to this washimg of dirty laundry in public the people of keighley deserve better.
samuels david
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5:24pm Mon 13 Oct 08
I’ll try to make this correspondence simple. Are you ready? Keighley Market traders are going through an economic nightmare as the population of Keighley, a low paid area, struggles to keep the Keighley alive and vibrant. Bringing in low priced tat to Keighley that has no guarantee, ie, if things go wrong where do you take back faulty goods? Buy products in Keighley Market and if you‘re any problems, no problem, take it back and claim your rights!
Yes I’m against Asda because I’ve seen what its parent Company ‘Walmark’ has done to many areas of America. Closed of choice to the lowest denominator, wiping out manufacturing job as the shown by the foreign car market has done to British companies.
Level playing fields I’m for, Bradford City Council makes money from these market traders, not Keighley Town Council as the rents and rates are of a reduce nature compared to the Market traders and all the other shop in Keighley who also suffer from this unfair completion! In the end anonymous writer you would bankrupt local business so that even more charity shops would scar the area. One thing I would agree with is that Keighley’s dirty washing indeed needs to be displayed and not hidden away and that is why I and some of my fellow councillors are disliked, simply because we would like tell the truth about what goes on!
I would wish to here more of the anonymous writer comments regarding the snide remarks when the writer has slid from beneath the rocks of vagueness. ‘it seems cllr samuels is less interested in the market and more interested in saving his own skin on the town council which he seems to hate but carries on being a member of but carries on being a member of’
I serve Keighley, not for altruistic or financial reasons but out of a loyalty to Keighley. I do not claim expenses and never have done.
blt1
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9:07pm Mon 13 Oct 08
firstly i must thank him for keeping it simple for me,i am not a politician but a normal working man trying to make a living in keighley so obviously not as intelligent as he is, as he is trying to infer.
i do not see how my remarks can benefit bradford as a whole for 2 reasons i did not mention bradford and even if i did i can not see how a few words on a blog can be so powerful.
cllr samuels does not need to tell me how difficult things are in keighley i was born,raised,live and work here ,no-one knows better than me how the town has declined over the last 20 years.i fear for my children growing up other than the low paid service industry there seems to be little else so a life of drugs and crime are only too easy to fall into.
cllr samuels seems to be particularly offended by me not giving my name is that not the whole point of a blog?also what does it matter either my points are valid or not.
all i was trying to say maybe not as eloquent as a politician can was as much as i sympathise with the market traders surely this is a bit of a storm in a tea cup compared to the rest of the problems the town is facing.everyone in the town is facing problems and instead of mudslinging i wish our elected members could put there differences aside and try to regenerate the town as a whole,which would help everyone including the market traders.
finally i never said cllr samuels was on the council for financial gains and i apologise if he thinks i alluded to this.
i just seem its strange that there seems to be several councillors who feel the council is impotent so why stop on it?
samuels david
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10:25pm Mon 13 Oct 08
Cllr David Samuels. Spring Garden and Utley(Including Beechcliffe)
samuels david
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10:25pm Mon 13 Oct 08
Cllr David Samuels. Spring Garden and Utley(Including Beechcliffe)
MarkPullen
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10:26pm Mon 13 Oct 08
samuels david
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10:41pm Mon 13 Oct 08
Cllr David Samuels; Spring Gardens and Utley (Including Beechcliffe)
samuels david
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10:41pm Mon 13 Oct 08
Cllr David Samuels; Spring Gardens and Utley (Including Beechcliffe)
samuels david
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10:42pm Mon 13 Oct 08
Cllr David Samuels; Spring Gardens and Utley (Including Beechcliffe)
samuels david
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10:42pm Mon 13 Oct 08
Cllr David Samuels; Spring Gardens and Utley (Including Beechcliffe)
samuels david
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10:42pm Mon 13 Oct 08
Cllr David Samuels; Spring Gardens and Utley (Including Beechcliffe)
samuels david
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10:25am Tue 14 Oct 08
I had checked up Mark: No street trader or the Market Traders were selling Mobile Phones!However Keighley Town Council had offered the public half priced drinks if you could break through into the Market!
samuels david
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10:25am Tue 14 Oct 08
I had checked up Mark: No street trader or the Market Traders were selling Mobile Phones!However Keighley Town Council had offered the public half priced drinks if you could break through into the Market!
blt1
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2:38pm Tue 14 Oct 08
MarkPullen
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2:46pm Tue 14 Oct 08
samuels david wrote:Hence my posting that it was a pleasant change.
To Mark Pullen Haworth
I had checked up Mark: No street trader or the Market Traders were selling Mobile Phones!However Keighley Town Council had offered the public half priced drinks if you could break through into the Market!
My household has stopped guessing which retailer will fill empty units in the Airedale Centre.
Maybe in the current economic climate we need more £1 or charity type shops!!
BTW I've only replied to one of your postings
blt1
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3:04pm Tue 14 Oct 08
samuels david
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3:31pm Tue 14 Oct 08
Cllr David Samuels Spring Gardens and Utley Ward, including Beechcliffe
samuels david
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8:16pm Tue 14 Oct 08
3:04pm Tue 14 Oct 08
p.s. cllr samuels because you are trying to help the people of keighley like myself does this mean we are not allowed to criticise you which is what you are implying
Ps. blt1, Keighley
I am stating that if you wish to criticise me, do not act as do some members of the Keighley Town Council, which is to criticise and verbally abuse me without the full facts known, and in many cases, will find me guilty even when the truth is known and established. You have the right to criticise anybody only if you are fully aware of the facts, again something which some members of KTC don’t bother with, it seems true facts are an inconvenience. Trying to destroy a person’s reputation without cause is evil. Which the KTC is trying to do to me, even while I’m typing this note, and which I refuse to accept!
Cllr David Samuels Spring Garden and Utley Ward (Including Beechclife)
Little Green Man
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3:27pm Fri 17 Oct 08
week after week - WE GET IT! This isn't the David Samuels Letters Page this is a forum for the people of Keighley to voice their opinions whether they be in possession of the
full facts or not, you should also remember that this is a forum for peoples 'opinions' you are not obliged to reply to each and every one. Just because someone has a different opinion to you whether it be correct or not doesn't make it wrong nor does posting an opinion anonymously - if you don't like a particular post ignore it - like I do with most of yours!
samuels david
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7:35pm Fri 17 Oct 08
At least you have an oinion which you debate! Keighley Town wish you all of its members to sing from a differant some sheet.Some of us really do have differing views and need to make sure that others, like your goodself are fully aware what is happening in your name, or don't you care about the amount of money being wasted?
David Samuels
samuels david
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7:27pm Sat 18 Oct 08
Little Green man, my apologies for all the grammatical and spelling errors in my last reply to your savage criticism of me.
I have no excuse, except to say I’m sorry, but when age and illness falls upon me I tend not to concentrate as I should,
What I should have written is that at least you have an opinion, which you express and debate! Keighley Town Council would wish all its members to sing from the same hymn sheet. However some of us, as you have proved, wish to have a different song to sing. Facts and truth are always painful and it’s difficult sometimes to tell which is which. Even one of my council colleague’s, a strong and fiercest critic of me but an honourable man never the less , has had the decency of informing me that he is not happy at the way a particular committee is being run. I suggest that you write or telephone the Keighley Town Clerk and demand all of last years and this year’s finance schedules, and work out why your ratepayer’s money is being spent as it is, or do you really not care?
Cllr David Samuels (Spring Gardens and Utley Ward(Beechcliffe Included)
Little Green Man
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9:10am Mon 20 Oct 08
samuels david
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9:38am Mon 20 Oct 08
Answer the question! Do you care what Keighley Town Council spends £7000 per week of ratepayers money on? I do! I care!
Cllr David Samuels Spring Garden and Utley Ward( Including Beechclife)
Little Green Man
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12:44pm Mon 20 Oct 08
samuels david
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1:02pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Cllr David Samuels: Spring Gardens and Utley Ward(Including Beechcliffe)
Little Green Man
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3:11pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Arm Chair Eddie
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7:32pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Councillor Samuels, where does £7000 per week of tax payers money go? Please do tell me and other who read these postings.
Arm Chair Eddie
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7:37pm Mon 20 Oct 08
samuels david
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7:45pm Mon 20 Oct 08
See, the question is simple! Are you for a near bankrupt Keighley Town Council, that will not tackle the real issues of drugs, litter, proper policing, transport, child abuse, education, old people’s concerns, hospital and health issues, etc, etc etc? Or don’t you mind your tax being wasted on trips to the seaside by certain Town Councillors who wish to spend money on what many feel is a trip to far?
Cllr David Samuels Spring Gardens and Utley Ward( Including Beechcliffe)
Ps I made a mistake it’s only £60,000 that is being donated to Horton Housing Association. Ask for finance schedules from the Keighley Town Clerk
Ds
blt1
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7:58pm Mon 20 Oct 08
samuels david
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8:32pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Cllr David Samuels Spring Gardens and Utley Ward( Including Beechcliffe)
Arm Chair Eddie
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10:22pm Mon 20 Oct 08
blt1 wrote:I'm basically saying people should respect their elders, even if they do not agree with the comments they do at times make. Comments made by little green man are nothing but petty pointless rants.
arm chair eddie i dont see the point your trying to make about cllr samuels being elderly ?
When will Gordon Brown refrain from echoing his constant message to the electorate that Britain is in safe hands? Who is he actually trying to convince? Only a week or so ago we were told by many so called high profile business professionals to expect another five hundred thousand job losses by Christmas. Within a short space of time one of America’s biggest financial institutions applies for bankruptcy with the potential loss of five thousand British jobs. The stock markets are dipping at the expense of future pension funds and other investments are on a knife edge as to their future valuations. The Bank of England has come to the rescue nervously throwing billions of pounds into something that will possibly return a nil value.
Gordon Brown says “inflation is down”; “the economy is stronger than ever” how embarrassing for a man who some seem to rate as a financial mastermind. There was also a quote recently when it was reported that the state of our affairs is the worst since the great depression.
It is quite worrying when we are being compared to the great depression when we have only witnessed so far a very small percentage of unemployment compared to the figure estimated by the end of the year. One can only imagine the future if these proportions do become reality, it won’t be depression the Government will have to deal with.
The removal of Golden Brown won’t ease our problems, even the ejection of the whole Labour party will not answer all of our prayers short term, but for the sake of sanity and future expectations we must reject this pathetic excuse for a government as a matter of urgency. Only when replaced can this Country ever have a chance of repairing its damaged reputation.
It is also worth noting that although the blame for this Country’s woes lay firmly with the Labour party, the Liberal Democrats offer little in terms of rescuing us, after all who really wants to support an alternative when its leader does not even know a simple but very important issue like the average weekly pension allowance.
Arm Chair Eddie
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10:25pm Mon 20 Oct 08
samuels david wrote:Is Horton Housing a Keighley based association?
Little Green Man, Mars: See, the question is simple! Are you for a near bankrupt Keighley Town Council, that will not tackle the real issues of drugs, litter, proper policing, transport, child abuse, education, old people’s concerns, hospital and health issues, etc, etc etc? Or don’t you mind your tax being wasted on trips to the seaside by certain Town Councillors who wish to spend money on what many feel is a trip to far? Cllr David Samuels Spring Gardens and Utley Ward( Including Beechcliffe) Ps I made a mistake it’s only £60,000 that is being donated to Horton Housing Association. Ask for finance schedules from the Keighley Town Clerk Ds
samuels david
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11:07pm Mon 20 Oct 08
Chartford House
54 Little Horton Lane
Bradford BD5 0BS
Does Excellant work for young mothers etc. My concern is that they have recieved £60.000 when that sum should have been given to others in smaller lots.
Cllr David Samuels:Spring Gardens and Utley Ward(Including Beechcliffe)
blt1
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7:29am Tue 21 Oct 08
all i said at the begging of this debate is that we live in a free market where people are free to spend there money where they wish,in reply i got a rant about myself even though he doesn't know me and a long winded paragraph about how hes hated on ktc if this is how he takes criticism then i suggest hes in the wrong field.
secondly on your point of getting rid of the government how do you propose to do this as there is not an election due maybe we could use the"gang of 4 " approach and just decide to form our own government.
samuels david
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9:19am Tue 21 Oct 08
Cllr David Samuels: Spring Gardens and Utley Ward( Including Beechcliffe)
Little Green Man
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12:32pm Tue 21 Oct 08
samuels david
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2:03pm Tue 21 Oct 08
If anybody criticized you, in whatever form, from observations not based on facts, would you hide or roll over and play dead. Sorry but it’s not in my nature to do such things. Opinions should be based on facts, not innuendoes, innuendoes based on lies! If you or anybody else had thought that I had talked down to Blt1 or anybody else for that matter then I most sincerely apologise to everybody, but I still insist that opinions should be based on truth. Age does not come into the equation.
Cllr David Samuels Spring Gardens and Utley Ward
Little Green Man
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8:25am Wed 22 Oct 08
samuels david
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11:03am Wed 22 Oct 08
I and others ask questions and try to let the public know what’s going on! We ask questions in Council, that’s why we are not liked.
I'll go away if you will answer my question with honesty, Little Green Man, Mars,
do you agree that Keighley ratepayers money should be spent without scrutiny?
A straight yes or no! Surely that's fair, and please not just another rant against me.
Cllr David Samuels: Spring Gardens and Utley Ward9 Including Beechcliffe)
Little Green Man
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1:55pm Wed 22 Oct 08
samuels david
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2:24pm Wed 22 Oct 08
Cllr David Samuels Spring Gardens and Utley Ward (Including Beechcliffe)
Little Green Man
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8:31pm Wed 22 Oct 08
Arm Chair Eddie
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9:37pm Wed 22 Oct 08
samuels david
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8:02am Thu 23 Oct 08
Sir. Thank you for your support and encouragement. It is very difficult for my colleagues and I to stand up to the forces that are determined to silence democracy. We are seen as oddballs, eccentric, or, as one of the Christian Town Councillor has allegedly stated, ‘needs putting down’. As already stated my comments which have fallen on the eyes of the deaf, have truth in them, but are ignored. However for your perusal I am publishing, what I see as an amusing website within the next week, ‘davidsamuels.com
On this website you may see the characters who inhabit this world, obviously myself. Included. It’s all free and may possibly strike home at the pomposity of people who you possibly know, I do!
Thank you once again for your support.
Cllr David Samuels: Spring Garden and Utley Ward (Including Beechcliffe)
Little Green Man
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8:57am Thu 23 Oct 08
blt1
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9:57am Thu 23 Oct 08
samuels david
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12:25pm Thu 23 Oct 08
Arm Chair Eddie, The Pennines;
Sir. I am embarrassed that you have become embroiled in such a petty argument. May I respectfully suggest you ignore the flak and the two gentlemen who insist in creating an unpleasant situation as I will do so in the future? Once again my sincere apologies!
Cllr David Samuels: Spring Garden and Utley Ward (Including Beechcliffe)
Little Green Man
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12:45pm Thu 23 Oct 08
Brian244
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8:31pm Fri 7 Nov 08
samuels david wrote:DS what bull you do talk, the fact is its £45,000 over 3 Years. 1st Year £15,000 2nd Year£15,000 3rd Year £15,000 =£45,000. Not £60,000. If you actually took any notice when you attend council meetings you would be in a position to tell it as it is, not how you want people believe it is. The only Cllr’s who seem to agree with you all have a yearning for self gratification, when this is removed you and your followers (SHEEP) always cause controversy and problems from nothing it dose not matter if the facts are correct or not, as long as it diverts from the truth. You know what I am saying is correct but I also know you will write back defending your stand knowing I am right. I am pleased to see the electorate has finally twigged to your tactics. And the day you speak for, or on behalf of the people of Keighley instead of for self gratification will be a first. For instance please tell the public how many times you and your friends vote on resolutions in council, if this is too embarrassing for you, or you can’t remember this Month it was (0) last Month (0). That is not why you were elected oh sorry you were not elected you are on the council because no other person stood for the Ward did they. Well you think you are so good and in tune with the voters, except this challenge RESIGNE and I will stand against you in your own ward. I think it's about time you put your mouth where your writing is.
Little Green Man, Mars: See, the question is simple! Are you for a near bankrupt Keighley Town Council, that will not tackle the real issues of drugs, litter, proper policing, transport, child abuse, education, old people’s concerns, hospital and health issues, etc, etc etc? Or don’t you mind your tax being wasted on trips to the seaside by certain Town Councillors who wish to spend money on what many feel is a trip to far? Cllr David Samuels Spring Gardens and Utley Ward( Including Beechcliffe) Ps I made a mistake it’s only £60,000 that is being donated to Horton Housing Association. Ask for finance schedules from the Keighley Town Clerk Ds
Signed
Not anonymous
Cll Brian Morris
Brian244
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8:35pm Fri 7 Nov 08
samuels david
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2:00am Thu 13 Nov 08
Cllr David Samuels
Brian244
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3:15pm Thu 13 Nov 08
samuels david wrote:You are at it again DS can’t you tell it as it’s 3 Years only and that’s £45,000. Not 4 years at £60,000. As for that E-Mail you keep ranting on about, you and I both know the truth no mater how you try to twist it, no racial intent was made or intended. I also have the original including the attachment that you don’t seem to mention. By the way E-Mails you have sent me if I had your outlook in life I could make something of them but I’m not vindictive and twisted. So hope you have a nice day too SANTA.
Not anonymous Brian Morris, as you are aware I don’t normally talk to you as your answers are usually childish and benign. However for just once, I will break my habit of ignoring you and your silly ways. Are you telling me that this year in Council we have not donated £15,000 to a Bradford based Charity and that for the next three years we are donating another £15.000 per year making a grand total of £60,000 in total. I had voted as you may well remember for the first tranche of £15,000 but not any further sums. I stand by and vote for my constituents in Utley and Spring Gardens( Including Beechcliffe) As I and others are not allowed to question other members in open council I do not think it’s ethical to vote on issues that you and your do not allow questions. Remember the issues of Health and Safety and the ensuing Insurance issue that I had brought before the Allotment Committee, I still possess the emails regarding this matter. Remember the racial email that you sent to me? Or have you conveniently forgotten that as well. An illegal matter as confirmed by Suzan Hemmingway, Monitoring Officer of Bradford. I understand that you are trying to become a Conservative Ward Councillor, or maybe that’s just a rumour? Brian slow down, get some rest from your troubles. As I’ve told you before, I do not bow to fools, nor do I acknowledge pomposity, and I most certainly would not touch my forelock to past, present or future stupidity! Have a nice day! Cllr David Samuels
Brian
samuels david
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5:47pm Thu 13 Nov 08
Now please publish the emails that you say I've sent to you that you say are vindictive. I publically promise that if genuine I will not take any legal action against you. However I will not write any more of draft letters or election manifestoes for you, whatever you do, and no more train sets for you at Christmas, you naughty child!
Cllr David Samuels Spring Gardens and Utley Ward(Including Beechcliffe)
Little Green Man
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8:42am Fri 14 Nov 08
samuels david
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12:31pm Fri 14 Nov 08
Cllr David Samuels (Spring Gardens and Utley Ward: Including Beechcliffe)
Little Green Man
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12:55pm Fri 14 Nov 08
samuels david
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6:34pm Fri 14 Nov 08
Cllr David Samuels. Spring Gardens and Utley Ward. (Including Beechcliffe)
Little Green Man
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8:49am Sun 16 Nov 08
j. george
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10:37am Sun 16 Nov 08
The so called gang of four PS it is more than four, are attempting to force the council to work as it was meant to be and not as Mitchell and co's personal little toy. The only ones seeking glory are those shepharded by Mitchell. To use a word from Saint Morris' book the only sheep here are you and your cohorts.
Little Green Man
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12:47pm Sun 16 Nov 08
phesel
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7:12pm Sun 16 Nov 08
Whilst I do not always agree with him and on these occasions I tell him so , all opinions are valid , at the moment L G M M we still have the freedom to express those opinions , perhaps that is in some way because of men and women like D Samuels .
J George dont know who you are but you have got it spot on sir , the gang of four or MORE will I assure you continue the fight for a better council and a better Keighley.
Your remarks regarding St Morris are in my opinion fully justified as i can personally bear witness to his childish and idiotic behaviour in chambers as well as in public .
The man just cant help himself and perhaps he should be pitied.
Cllr Paul Heseltine
Spring Gardens and Utley
including Beechcliffe .
samuels david
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7:40pm Sun 16 Nov 08
Thank you Cllr Heseltine for your kind words, but we don’t fall out all that often, and anyway you are far to large a person to argue with both physically and mentally!
Let the battle for the soul of Keighley Town Council begin!
Cllr David Samuels: Spring Gardens and Utley Ward (Including Beechcliffe)
Little Green Man
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8:00pm Sun 16 Nov 08
samuels david
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11:17pm Sun 16 Nov 08
Cllr David Samuels: Spring Gardens and Utley (Including Beechcliffe)
Little Green Man
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8:48am Mon 17 Nov 08
blt1
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3:46pm Mon 17 Nov 08
the debate has not been about the workings of the town council something i have no idea about.however if this is how himself and his friends react to debate im not surprised he has no friends on the council.i find it amazing that as a member of the public myself and little green man get a load of abuse hurled at us and im sorry for repeating myself ,for not agreeing with cllr samuels.
samuels david
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6:50pm Mon 17 Nov 08
Cllr David Samuels Spring Gardensand Utley Ward9Including Beechcliffe)
blt1
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7:21pm Mon 17 Nov 08
the size of your ego cllr samuels is unbelievable even when im not talking to you you think i am.your right its pointless carrying on any conversation i like a discussion as i was always led to believe its the only way you can change things,however all youve done is reinforced the image that politicians always think they are right.thats why nothing ever gets done,it would be funny if it wasnt so serious.
sleeping sam
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8:02pm Mon 17 Nov 08
sleeping sam
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8:05pm Mon 17 Nov 08
sleeping sam
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8:13pm Mon 17 Nov 08
Brian244
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8:33pm Mon 17 Nov 08
samuels david wrote:You are just full of your self aren’t you DS. I wish I was as perfect as you and your SHEEP, but it is obvious if you tell them to jump they all ask how high regardless of their stature.
Little Green Man: Brave j. george, a person, unknown to me, who has put the proverbial head above the parapet obviously gets my praise, not for the comment ‘witter’ you so contemptibly use but for a honesty that is like a breath of fresh aire. (Aire Being Deliberately Used) Maybe others of a like mind could express a view that is not in line with St Morris and Co. Just for the record I have never initiated an attack on any fellow councillor, only defended myself against unjustified comments, slurs, and innuendos that many people, without knowledge, but with hatred wish to believe. Yet not one of those former friends who have stabbed me in the back, or who with a religious persona has made outrageous comments such as that I should ‘Put Down’ has had the moral fibre to publicly offer any apologies. Comments such as ‘Let’s go to the pub to celebrate the fact that we have kept him (me) of the committees’ is just another of the jibes which are then turned on its head by making comments that I have no wish to fully participate in Council business. I am now a member on the allotments committee, a post I fought for! Cllr Morris is my Chairman. However I have to admit my contribution is, in my view, nullified by the public and alleged private comment of Cllr Morris towards me. Thank you Cllr Heseltine for your kind words, but we don’t fall out all that often, and anyway you are far to large a person to argue with both physically and mentally! Let the battle for the soul of Keighley Town Council begin! Cllr David Samuels: Spring Gardens and Utley Ward (Including Beechcliffe)
Brian244
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8:35pm Mon 17 Nov 08
thank you.
phesel
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8:54pm Mon 17 Nov 08
sleeping sam wrote:I have attacked nobody sleeping sam thats not how i do things , i have merely agreed with j george i still do and yes you are correct give him enough rope and he will eventually hang himself as will his shepard it is just a shame keighley and its people have to listen to this rubbish in the meantime , wich is why i dont normally get involved in these pointless discussions.
If he is as bad as they are saying why do they need to keep on attacking him, surly he will fall on his own without help. Or is this just a cover as they are afraid he is doing what he is paid to do by the electorate and they are not. From what I have read brian244 seems quite rational compared to Mr Samuels and Heseltine.
cllr Paul Heseltine
spring gardens utley
sleeping sam
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12:23am Tue 18 Nov 08
Ps:
Its now clear you are obviously one of the sheep he refers to.
phesel
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9:07am Tue 18 Nov 08
As D S rightly points out too many people make comment here whilst hiding behind anonimity , at least we have the backbone to put our name to our opinions .
Cllr P Heseltine
Spring Gardens Utley
inc Beechcliffe
Little Green Man
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9:23am Tue 18 Nov 08
sleeping sam
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3:44pm Tue 18 Nov 08
You can’t say one thing then do another; you seem to run with a pack of idiots on the council. Now that is an attack on you and your kind. But I don’t have to stand for office so it is irrelevant that I attack you as a paid member of the council. Now from myself as a member of the voting public I say get your act together and stop squabbling like a big kid, your actions are disgusting as a representative of our town and you should be sacked. I can’t do with spoilt hard done to people who should know better. We won’t go far with people like you on the council if that’s how you act on line and in the council chamber. How sad it is all you lot seem to do is slag other councillors why don’t they reply! Is it because you are hanging yourselves without any help from them. (Sounds about right).
Sam
samuels david
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7:15pm Tue 18 Nov 08
Sam
…and finally! Town Councillors don’t get paid, unless on trips etc, (see last months finance schedules, which you, as the public pay as a supplement to your rates!) It seems that because we tell the truth to bloggers we are idiots!
‘sleeping sam’ may I respectfully suggest that you read the finance sheets, free from the Keighley Town Council, just to see where the Keighley Ratepayers money is going, then you’ll discover who the idiots really are! However it would seem that you just don’t care enough about others as does Cllr Heseltine for this town. Drugs, booze and violence is not the way forward and ratepayer’s cash should, I should have thought, be spent on trying to eradicate the damage being done by the inappropriate excess of the above, not on issues that only propagate last centuries serfdom and forelock touching. The madness of this debate shows that mankind has not moved forward one jot from prehistorically times. Seemingly, intellectually we are still in the dark ages. If Heseltine didn’t freely volunteer his time to helping others, not just as a Councillor, but in many other voluntary activities, the lives of many, possibly, hundreds, of people in this town would be sadder and emptier. Heseltine’s services help, does yours? Or are you content just to hatefully slag off others who try to be of community service? Get a life! Nothing more to be said!!!!
Cllr David Samuels. Spring Gardens and Utley Ward. (Including Beechcliffe)
Little Green Man
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9:19pm Tue 18 Nov 08
sleeping sam
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11:36pm Tue 18 Nov 08
Sam
samuels david
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12:07am Wed 19 Nov 08
n't Keighley. I really can't believe that you can be so blind or is that you have been brain washed? Get the facts. I don't get paid for all this rubbish you talk about, nor any expenses, every thing I do, including telephone etc I do for free. Why don't you get the facts, it may cost you a phone call, but what the hell you just might learn something or are you so knowledgeable that you know everything? Ps Sam! I realise that you will be surprised, but I do read the Keighley Town Council Website every week.
Cllr David Samuels;Spring Garden and utley Ward(Including Beechcliffe)
Little Green Man
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10:17am Wed 19 Nov 08
Keighley News? If what you say (over and over) is true then surely it would be a newsworthy story?
That way everyone would know and you wouldn't have to engage in mindless banter with the likes of us!
sleeping sam
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12:11pm Wed 19 Nov 08
phesel wrote:Well this is interesting you say you have the backbone to put your name to your opinion!
A statement of fact sir one i am happy to stand behind , if it is viewed as an attack then ok . As D S rightly points out too many people make comment here whilst hiding behind anonimity , at least we have the backbone to put our name to our opinions . Cllr P Heseltine Spring Gardens Utley inc Beechcliffe
I have been reading a list of names today and one stood out from the rest. He lives at Beechcliffe.
Have you now got the backbone to say what I am talking about!
Sam
samuels david
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12:55pm Wed 19 Nov 08
At a recent Keighley Town Council meeting Cllr Mitchell talked about Keighley Council ‘Punching above its weight!’ At a spending rate of approximately £7000 per week or £1000 per day, Keighley is most certainly spending above its weight. On what is the question? One has to ask what has been achieved since the formation in 2002, where has all the ratepayers’ money gone.
Other than allotments what other services has Bradford allowed Keighley to run? Would Bradford sanction giving other services to Keighley Town Council? Is Bradford so enamoured with our budget conscious Town Council that it trust Keighley with other services! Bradford hasn’t even allowed Keighley to sweep up the streets of litter or animal faeces in this town. Traffic warden services, no fear! Road management planning! Cancelled! The money from the sale of the Leeds/Bradford Airport was supposed to be shared within Keighley Wards. £10,000 per Ward, yet Bradford seemingly doesn’t trust the Council with such monies! Probably because we just might start ‘spending above our weight’ again. Oh yes I know! Maybe in the next 25 years Keighley will have a highly technical waste disposal unit or something else in the town, so today, let’s send old ‘giffers’ like me on wonderful expenses paid seminars to learn the administration and technical side of these complex situations or even learn about obscure future Government proposals. In 25 years I suspect present Town Councillors will be long gone and even buried, courtesy of Bradford Council, as they most certainly wouldn’t let Keighley handle our crematoria, just in case Keighley gets its fingers burnt!
Unless spending patterns alter in Keighley this town will never have a financial and economic future, or is that what you really want: Simple yes or no answers please!
Cllr David Samuels Spring Gardens and Utley Ward (Including Beechcliffe)
sleeping sam
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3:13pm Wed 19 Nov 08
Sam
samuels david
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6:47pm Wed 19 Nov 08
DAvid Samuels
sleeping sam
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8:07pm Wed 19 Nov 08
Sam
Little Green Man
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9:02pm Wed 19 Nov 08
sleeping sam
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9:09pm Wed 19 Nov 08
Thank you
Sam
Little Green Man
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7:22am Thu 20 Nov 08
samuels david
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9:16am Thu 20 Nov 08
Ds
Little Green Man
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10:58am Thu 20 Nov 08
sleeping sam
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11:38am Thu 20 Nov 08
I am aware of all that has been written on this thread. I was only telling him to keep his nose out of the question I asked cllr Heseltine not every thing in general. He can go on and on all day for me. Sorry if I did not make myself clear on the subject.
Now back to the original question with modification so you can understand.
Cllr Heseltine the list that has been on the news lately, I have read that list and 3 names at one address appear on it can you confirm this and in the words of your friend Mr S, yes or no.
Sam
Little Green Man
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7:11pm Thu 20 Nov 08
sleeping sam
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10:00pm Thu 20 Nov 08
Sam
brian244
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10:39pm Thu 20 Nov 08
Brian244
sleeping sam
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1:59am Fri 21 Nov 08
Sam
samuels david
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4:27pm Fri 21 Nov 08
Coming from a Jewish background and brought up in a Christian manner let me say that Paul Heseltine is one of the most decent human beings I’ve ever come across, while some, a few, and I mean a few, members of the Keighley Town Council members who profess to have staunch Christian code behind them are nothing more than the faeces of hatred.
These two self seeking and egotistical arrogant spineless caricatures of mankind could never, ever fill the shoes of Paul Heseltine. Which is possibly why they hate him? This man has done more for racial equality in Keighley and his ward than either of these two deadbeats who have savaged Pauls past. These two can only dream to have equalled the service given to Keighley ethnic minority.
It is you brian244 and sleeping sam who haven’t the balls of mankind. My advice to Paul Heseltine is and has been to be let his present deeds speak for themselves rather than one moment of 2005. Now you two evil blobs of humanity I’ll hope to see you in the next Keighley Town Council meeting, where you can pick on an old man who has your measure!
David Samuels
brian244
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5:04pm Fri 21 Nov 08
Brian244
Little Green Man
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6:54pm Fri 21 Nov 08
brian244
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11:24pm Fri 21 Nov 08
Brian244
samuels david
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12:00am Sat 22 Nov 08
Take one hundred Conservatives, Socialist, BNP members, not one of them were born with such party political convictions, and at the end of the day many will now have altered views. I’ve been a paid up member of the Liberal Party, (One year) I’ve voted more times for the Socialist cause, than for any other political party, however even such rose tinted views have been altered as I’ve grown old. Yes, like everybody else I sometimes get a little bit stiffly with people, and at my age I pull rank. Even Cllr Brian Morris has admitted that he has sent to me an Email headed ‘You Little Pig’ on the 7th July 2007, yet the first time he has mentioned since then was at ‘3:15pm Thu 13 Nov 08,’ and he stated‘ ‘As for that E-Mail you keep ranting on about, you and I both know the truth no mater how you try to twist it, no racial intent was made or intended. I also have the original including the attachment that you don’t seem to mention.’ I say publish this document. Or, do I take this this statement as an apology at last! If so it would make my point that people’s views do alter, even your top friends in Keighley Town Council's Management and Staffing Committee can change!
David Samuels
samuels david
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12:00am Sat 22 Nov 08
Take one hundred Conservatives, Socialist, BNP members, not one of them were born with such party political convictions, and at the end of the day many will now have altered views. I’ve been a paid up member of the Liberal Party, (One year) I’ve voted more times for the Socialist cause, than for any other political party, however even such rose tinted views have been altered as I’ve grown old. Yes, like everybody else I sometimes get a little bit stiffly with people, and at my age I pull rank. Even Cllr Brian Morris has admitted that he has sent to me an Email headed ‘You Little Pig’ on the 7th July 2007, yet the first time he has mentioned since then was at ‘3:15pm Thu 13 Nov 08,’ and he stated‘ ‘As for that E-Mail you keep ranting on about, you and I both know the truth no mater how you try to twist it, no racial intent was made or intended. I also have the original including the attachment that you don’t seem to mention.’ I say publish this document. Or, do I take this this statement as an apology at last! If so it would make my point that people’s views do alter, even your top friends in Keighley Town Council's Management and Staffing Committee can change!
David Samuels
j. george
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9:32am Sat 22 Nov 08
Wether or not you agree with those beliefs does not give you the right to engage in indirect threats and bullying towards a fellow man (or woman). Of DS I only believe him to be an ordiary man trying to do the best for the people of kly as is PH. They have done and still do wonderful things for their ward and the town. What is it that you have done Brian? Wether or not PH is on this list means nothing....The list is out of date and innaccurate (according to much of the media) And whether he joined this party or not does not mean he is a racist, political activist or any other vile insults your puny mind can conjure up. I myself have voted BNP in the past, not because I am a racist but because I too (as hundreds of other were) was taken in by the new image they portrayed and I had lost all faith in this government and it opposition.
I aggreed with some of their policys. And rather than waste it I felt my vote would send a message to the powers that be that I wasn't happy. When The BNPs racism was exposed I did not vote for them again. It had changed my opinion of the BNP. I am an ordinary working man who hold no malice toward other cultures, races or religions...yet I voted BNP...so what does that make me.....Mr Morris.
Little Green Man
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10:25am Sat 22 Nov 08
j. george
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10:34am Sat 22 Nov 08
brian244
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2:21pm Sat 22 Nov 08
Brian244
samuels david
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4:03pm Sat 22 Nov 08
I would think, in my view, that because of all the trouble caused on this site by Cllr Morris and his friend in trying to blacken the name of myself and Paul Heseltine that we both might have a quiet word with him at the next Allotment Committee Meeting, but I can assure the public and Cllr Brian Morris, as usual, in no way will it be disruptive meeting unless Cllr Morris starts screaming abuse as he was once reported to the Standards Board for England for doing outside of the Keighley Town Hall! Again in my opinion the Allotment Committee Meeting, in the words of Cllr Morris ‘It only gets better’ if he reconsiders his position as Chairman of the Allotment Committee and possibly in the Council, but then there are others on the council who should do likewise. However I am sceptical that the pomposity and arrogance that I see in this Council will go away as to some, not many thank God, Councillors Keighley Town Council is a social tree to climb. As already stated most of our councillors are hard working honest people and keep well away from the childish bickering that blackens the name of Keighley.
David Samuels
brian244
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9:16pm Sat 22 Nov 08
I would be pleased to have quiet word with you and your minder.
Brian244
samuels david
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10:02pm Sat 22 Nov 08
The more you say the more I will reveal to the public about you and it's not really nice. Give it a rest Brian please. You really are showing yourself up, and do you really now expect your fellow conservatives to pick you as a District Ward Candidate?
David Samuels
David Samuels
brian244
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12:47am Sun 23 Nov 08
Don’t you think it’s about time instead of complaining you did something constructive, instead of saying things like “they won’t let me speak” that is total rubbish, the only time you have been stopped from speaking was when you verbally attacked another councillor, and that would happen to anyone who did that.
Brian244
Little Green Man
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1:59am Sun 23 Nov 08
samuels david
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4:58am Sun 23 Nov 08
Sorry Little Green Man, but I will not have lies told about me, would you? Yes I feel that the conduct is childish, but anybody with any pride would rebel at what is being said. I do not walk away from truth, never have done! Now Cllr Morris tell the public the truth. What false information have I ever published on this blog page, yes I’ve admitted that a mistake was made about the amount of money that Keighley Town Council was giving to a Bradford Charity, that was because of information I had was not correct, the information also confused others and I’ve never promised in full council to stop publishing the truth on this site. Innuendoes are your prerogative! You and your fellow councillor friend, what a pair you two are, tried and failed to blacken the name of a man who has done more for his ward in his time on the Council than you two have done in all your life for Keighley. As far as I’m aware I have missed one full Council meeting because of illness. I have never insulted anybody’s religion as you well know; please publish the facts for repudiation. What slanderous remarks have I made? If I’ve ever made such remarks then don’t threaten me to ‘speak to your solicitor’ go straight to court! As for your comments that ‘they won’t let me speak that is total rubbish, the only time you have been stopped from speaking was when you verbally attacked a councillor.’ I have never verbally attacked any councillor during a council meeting. I have tried to ask questions about your conduct but was stopped before the question was ever asked. Little Green Man once again I’m sorry that you find this blog tiresome, however if you go back to the beginning you will find that I started this silliness. As far as I’m concerned this particular campaign started a day after the last full Council meeting which I had left early because of an illness, the same day that I had buried my sister. I was informed that Morris had attacked me on this site. I retaliated, and will continue to do so until these attacks stop. I will not lie down, or lie to please bullies, again would you?
David Samuels .
samuels david
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4:58am Sun 23 Nov 08
Sorry Little Green Man, but I will not have lies told about me, would you? Yes I feel that the conduct is childish, but anybody with any pride would rebel at what is being said. I do not walk away from truth, never have done! Now Cllr Morris tell the public the truth. What false information have I ever published on this blog page, yes I’ve admitted that a mistake was made about the amount of money that Keighley Town Council was giving to a Bradford Charity, that was because of information I had was not correct, the information also confused others and I’ve never promised in full council to stop publishing the truth on this site. Innuendoes are your prerogative! You and your fellow councillor friend, what a pair you two are, tried and failed to blacken the name of a man who has done more for his ward in his time on the Council than you two have done in all your life for Keighley. As far as I’m aware I have missed one full Council meeting because of illness. I have never insulted anybody’s religion as you well know; please publish the facts for repudiation. What slanderous remarks have I made? If I’ve ever made such remarks then don’t threaten me to ‘speak to your solicitor’ go straight to court! As for your comments that ‘they won’t let me speak that is total rubbish, the only time you have been stopped from speaking was when you verbally attacked a councillor.’ I have never verbally attacked any councillor during a council meeting. I have tried to ask questions about your conduct but was stopped before the question was ever asked. Little Green Man once again I’m sorry that you find this blog tiresome, however if you go back to the beginning you will find that I started this silliness. As far as I’m concerned this particular campaign started a day after the last full Council meeting which I had left early because of an illness, the same day that I had buried my sister. I was informed that Morris had attacked me on this site. I retaliated, and will continue to do so until these attacks stop. I will not lie down, or lie to please bullies, again would you?
David Samuels .
Little Green Man
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8:05am Sun 23 Nov 08
blt1
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8:17am Sun 23 Nov 08
however can any cllr please tell me what you are doing about the problems in keighley we all know what they are ,the drug problems the fact there seems to be increasingly Muslim non- Muslim areas for whatever reason ,the lack of regeneration etc etc.all we seem to be getting is insult followed by counter insult.dont none of you realise how pathetic this looks.
is it true that ktc only runs the allotments if this is right it may as well be disbanded and you can all shout at each other all day long and no-one else would care,and before anybody says if you care so much stand what would be the point.
j. george
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9:44am Sun 23 Nov 08
it is true that the council not only run the allotments (which lee senior does not Morris) but they also waste an enormous amount of money on events in the town, now although some of these events are enjoyable activities they are too expensive and could be run a lot cheaper.
The reason why Bradford Council will not give any more services to Keighley Town Council is because the conucil cannot run itself let alone any thing else! And I would like to point out that these so called disruptive councillors have only been members for the last 18 months or so (altough David was a member some years ago) and that the problems were prominent long before that. It is on record that these and other councillors have called for Keighleys drug and gang problems to be addressed but the council are not interested...it is not as good as throwing a party so everyone will love them. And I do agree that there would be no point in standing as you would suffer the same fate as many concillors if you do not sing from their song sheet.....bulling and intimidation. The problem they now have is that someone fought back and now they are worried that their cosy little social status club has been disrupted so they attack, like a wounded animal. You are correct, the current council as it stands should be disbanded and those that really care for what happens in this town should move forward another step and work together not against each other for personal status. That is what it boils down to.
James.
brian244
says...
3:38pm Mon 24 Nov 08
Brian244
Little Green Man
says...
8:20am Wed 26 Nov 08
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