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Rap on knuckles for coverage

I was one of the 850 fantastic ladies who volunteered to give up their Saturday night and raise money for Manorlands on the Midnight Walk. We walked on Bradford Road, supported and encouraged by dozens of volunteer stewards, we were fed and watered at Sainsbury’s and were given tea at the end by some more very lovely volunteers. All these local people gave up their time to raise thousands of pounds for a deserving and very local cause and I for one would like to thank them all.

I just wonder why this benevolent, generous and selfless local act received coverage in your paper extending to less than 50 words? Maybe there was just too much news that week? I know that I, for one, was fulfilled to read at the bottom of page four (in an article three times the size of the walk one) that a local company is closing its Keighley doors and moving to Saltaire. Apparently, its new, much larger premises five miles away are more newsworthy than a co-ordinated effort to raise more than £68,000 for a hospice in Oxenhope?

I hope that you print this letter as I think that less than 50 words is not enough to highlight that in a time when shops are closing and companies are deserting the town, that the people of Keighley can still come together to do something fantastic.

Rachel Bradbury

Keighley

Editor’s note: Fair point Rachel. The information and pictures arrived just before deadline and so space was limited. I have to say though that the publicity leading up to the event was extensive.

Kill this urban myth

I am greatly obliged to you for generating some genuine public interest in, and comment on, the crucial issue of traffic congestion in Keighley town centre. At last some people are realising the truth of the “ASDA plus new college — unsustainable pressure on Station Bridge” argument, which the watch and transport committee has been proclaiming for over three years. But let us please kill one urban myth. here is no practical way that the former single line railway arch under Station Bridge would make a realistic pedestrian underpass and I invite your website correspondents to come out of their shadowy anonymity and meet me at Keighley station next week so that I can explain on-site exactly why this is so. Hence the committee’s proposal of what Mick Milner called “an iconic footbridge” between Low Mill Lane top and Sainsbury’s corner, right in the path of the majority of railway commuters.

Miss Varley, of Oakworth, with whom I have discussed traffic issues in some depth on a home visit, regrettably did not take up my invitation to join the traffic panel and writes of “re-arranging deckchairs”. This has some truth in that very few people have recognised the danger of the real iceberg which is bearing down upon us. It is that, quite simply, we collectively bring too many cars, too frequently, into the town centre. We must all share responsibility for being part of the problem and we all need to co-operate in accepting solutions which will inevitably require some restrictions on vehicle movement in the central area.

In the absence of any other Keighley-based committee being sufficiently concerned to debate the congestion issue, the town council has established a traffic (advisory) panel to enlist public comment and recommendation. This panel has met twice and is already making a meaningful contribution, which I am authorised by committee to place before highway engineers at Jacobs Well, Bradford. I can also assure your readers that additional public contributions will be seriously considered by the town council.

Cllr Graham Mitchell

Chairman, The Watch and Transport Committee, Keighley Town Council

Record appreciation of Ann

A Daily Telegraph reporter in search of dirt would have found it hard to find a Keighley elector of any party colour who would question Ann Cryer’s integrity.

Staying with one’s family where accommodation was available was clearly sensible and the slur implied that her son also stayed there is also seeking mountains where no molehills exist.

It is a pity that this should have arisen at a time when she had already decided to leave Parliament to enjoy a well-deserved retirement, having achieved more in her nine years than many a Member has over a much longer period — an Act to protect girls from forced marriages and a restriction on the practice of girls going to Pakistan and returning with a husband who was entitled to stay, are evidence of her tenacity and determination.

It would still be appropriate for the town council to set aside any party feelings and to present to her a scroll recording the appreciation of Keighley for her work. I appreciate that her constituency goes beyond Keighley’s boundaries but this is an opportunity for the town council to act on behalf of its citizens on a situation which is unlikely to recur for some time to come.

Frank Pedley,

Gisburn Road, Hellifeld.

Tyre marks across graves

I write about the state of Oakworth Cemetery in general, in particular the lack of respect as graves are driven over by excavation machinery, ie dumpers/diggers.

My mother and brother are buried there and I have tended their grave for many years.

On my last visit to the cemetery, I was absolutely horrified to see big tyre marks across the grave, which had been caused by some kind of digger/dumper, and as the vehicle had driven over the graves in wet weather the ground had been chewed up. Have they no respect for the dead or the living relatives, what happened to hand digging and wheelbarrows.

I am very upset and extremely angry. I have written to the acting bereavements services manager at Scholemoor Cemetery, in Bradford, as apparently they are in charge of the cemetery.

Neil Bradley

York


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Kevin Costner, Crossroads says...
12:52pm Thu 18 Jun 09

Can't agree with Mr Pedley. Ann Cryer cried the poor tale on her recent property yet she conveniently forgets to tell us about the one's bought and sold previous to this. This is not exactly the work of an honest MP is it.
As a tax payer who funds the Town Council, I do not want my contribution wasted on presenting Mrs Cryer with any gift of any kind. If the Council wish to dip their hands in their pockets that's fine.

gerihatrick, Oakworth says...
11:25pm Thu 18 Jun 09

Ay by gum Kevin..tha's reet lad...they've all 'ad their snoots in't troff!!

david Samuels, Keighley says...
8:51pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Keighley Town Council is supposedly non political. To offer any politician a scroll recording an appreciation for political work is not in the spirit of impartiality that a non political Town Council
should aim for.
Party politics is a personal issue and I for one would disagree that any party politician, (big P or little p) should be honoured with a scroll for services not proven. An expense sheet wrapped with an elastic band is as far as I would go for today’s politicians! Out with the old, bring in the new ones and if Kris Hopkin makes a mess of it, as big as he is, he’ll get a severe hypothetical kick up the rear end from me.

david Samuels, Keighley says...
8:55pm Fri 19 Jun 09

Keighley Town Council is supposedly non political. Therefore to offer any politician a scroll recording appreciation for political work is not in the spirit of impartiality that a non political Town Council should give.
Party politics of today needs more honesty and a higher calibre in candidates, (big P or little p, they’ve nearly all had large noses in the trough) To be honoured with an expensive scroll for services not proven is a burden that ratepayers do not need. An expense sheet wrapped with an elastic band is as far as I would go! Out with the old, bring in the new ones and if Kris Hopkin makes a mess of it, as big as he is, he’ll get a severe hypothetical kick up the rear end from me.
David Samuels
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intercepttheprecept, Keighley says...
6:34am Sat 20 Jun 09

Scrolls for retiring MP's,just about sums up the priorities of the few at the top of Keighley Town Council.

John Philip should be recommending that such frivolities are a luxuries that are unaffordable.

Let us be clear, when he is recommending not to fund the essential work CAB provide to precept payers in Keighley last Weds Finance Committee)- he should be demanding a ban on all unnecessary expenditure.

Philips and his cronies are destroying the remaining credibility of KTC. The abbreviation is now a laughing stock translated as "Keep the Change"

David McKay, Keighley says...
3:13pm Sat 20 Jun 09

To Intercept the precept & Wizard52, you both seem to have the right ideas about how a few seem to manipulate the many on town council,

I would have more respect for you both and would encourage you both in any election contest if you would drop your psedonyms and instead came out fighting on your own right.

I have spoken to a lot of people over the last couple of months, and to a single person, they are critical of how the council is wasting money on pointless gestures.

The more people than can be persuaded to stand under the sort of common-sense spending banners you're both advocating, the better.

wizard52, keighley says...
10:29am Sun 21 Jun 09

Mr McKay: I don’t write on the blog for respect: Knowing how some Keighley members of the council work, I’ve seen them in action, I would like to stay anonymous using my pseudonym to protect myself from any bully boys who hold power in council.
You may not like Cllr John Philips, possibly for personal reasons or his political views, but I see him as a person, as Chair of Finance, at the beck and call of all other Chairmen of the numerous Committees.
Others opposing the junta, including Cllrs Samuels, Beale, Hudson, they are still fighting, as best they can.
At last the people of Keighley are being awakened to the fact that a minority in Keighley Council are antagonising the local press by the sniping at them most of the time and Bradford Council, who have working experience that should be sort after.
The pettiness by each side of Keighley Town Council has generated a storm that needs to blow itself out. At the next election expect to see the three political parties take over from the Independents and those now in charge ousted.
Some of the good guys and the bad will leave Council and try to sign up to the main parties, if the parties are mad enough to accept them!

intercepttheprecept, Keighley says...
11:38am Sun 21 Jun 09

To Mr McKay,

I cannot afford to give my name at this stage. To do so would prevent me from being able to let the outside world know of some of the decisions made on council, either full or by sub-committee, before or even if they become a matter of public knowledge.

I can assure you I will continue to work for Keighley people and use whatever influence I have to try and keep expenditure down, and when circumstances are right, challenge decisions that are made.

Once we get to the elections I will of course declare myself. I have read your previous views on people who hide behind nicknames, however some of us have to for the time being.

Hopefully, for now, I can help by letting people know what is going on. Do not tar us all with the same brush, there are those of who need to remain anonymous for the time being. If you want to speak with me, then e-mail me at intercept_the_precep
t@yahoo.co.uk. From there we can perhaps arrange a meeting.

david Samuels, Keighley says...
11:52am Sun 21 Jun 09

To Wizard, I take it that you are a Keighley Town Councillor, as I am. I also take it that you are fighting the same people who in my mind are destroying (unintentionally, I believe.) the Keighley Town Council’s credibility. I shall be at the ceremony in the square tomorrow, and if you wish to debate how we can move forward, bringing this council into a modern age I would be pleased to discuss the issue.
Most of what you say I would agree with, but I really don’t think that Bradford, with the same old fashioned views of governance should be called upon as teachers of democracy.
Nor do I believe that political parties would wish to have anything to do with KTC.
Whether or not you think I’m a ‘good guy or bad guy’ remember I personally don’t take expenses, but I accept and would fight for the right for expenses and as such expenses should be accepted. (Not that I accept the criminality of Members of Parliament who have brought this Country into the same category as another Russia or of a lowly Banana state.) Neither do I accept that we should take trade away from local traders, by holding meat markets, French weeks, pot markets etc. ‘Best value’ does not necessarily mean ‘at the lowest cost’ in my view. For instance printing the Keighley Council’s Newsletter in same far of place cost local printers work! Etc!
If as you imply that you sit in the Council, you must be aware of the difficulty some members have in getting serious questions answered without a lot of difficulty. I do not see that issue as ‘pettiness’ and would go on to say, it’s totally unnecessary.
Hope to meet up with you Monday in the Town Hall Square. Unlike some members of Keighley Town Council I would never betray your confidence.

David Samuels

blt1, keighley says...
3:59pm Sun 21 Jun 09

cllr samuels,
is it true that you choose not to work on any committees rather than you are not asked as you lead us to believe

blt1, keighley says...
3:59pm Sun 21 Jun 09

cllr samuels,
is it true that you choose not to work on any committees rather than you are not asked as you lead us to believe

david Samuels, Keighley says...
5:42pm Sun 21 Jun 09

As you are well aware blt1. Many times I and others tried to serve on committees but due to the voting stitch up we were prevent from doing so. In fact one extremely nasty Councillor made a point of comment, in my presence, that he and another councillor should go to the pub to celebrate the fact that he and others had kept the then ‘gang of four’ off the committee structures. Nice people! Other councillors had various other reasons, valid in my view, from staying away from committees where the block vote vetoed debate, or questions were not answered, (ask Cllr Beale on that one.)
However you will be please to note that I have been asked to take a seat on the finance committee, and subject to legal machinations now being undertaken, vis a vis the Keighley Town Council I have accepted the offer where I will do my uttermost to lower the cost of services to the Keighley Ratepayers. Most probably, (most probably not though,) you will be aware that just because a Councillor name does not appear on Committee papers does most certainly not mean that I or other Keighley Town Councillors are not working for Keighley and in the Ward that we represent or are your eyes, ears, and mind closed part of the time or all of the time.
Will we see you at the service tomorrow? It may cost you a deal of money, but as a loyal Keighley Ratepayer of course you’ll be there in the Town Square!Please say hello!

Have a nice day!
David Samuels

blt1, keighley says...
6:43pm Sun 21 Jun 09

i wont be there tomorrow as i will be working but otherwise i would have been happy to make myself known to you

david Samuels, Keighley says...
7:20pm Sun 21 Jun 09


Of course you would!I just hope that when we meet, the discussion will not start and end in finger waging!

blt1, keighley says...
9:16pm Sun 21 Jun 09

david Samuels wrote:
Of course you would!I just hope that when we meet, the discussion will not start and end in finger waging!
i think comments like this add to peoples perceptions of politicians.why would you doubt my sincerity cllr samuels when we've never met?if it was to end in finger pointing it would be from one side, i like an adult debate as much as the next man, if you remember you've only had it in for me because you were banging on about a street market and i dare contradict you by saying in a democracy people were free to spend their own money where they wished.i think the way you've took what i think was a reasonable enough question from myself about committees and answered in the way you have speaks volumes.

david Samuels, Keighley says...
11:16pm Sun 21 Jun 09

blt1, keighley says...
3:59pm Sun 21 Jun 09
cllr samuels,
is it true that you choose not to work on any committees rather than you are not asked as you lead us to believe

blt1, keighley says...
i think comments like this add to peoples perceptions of politicians.why would you doubt my sincerity cllr samuels when we've never met?if it was to end in finger pointing it would be from one side, i like an adult debate as much as the next man, if you remember you've only had it in for me because you were banging on about a street market and i dare contradict you by saying in a democracy people were free to spend their own money where they wished.i think the way you've took what i think was a reasonable enough question from myself about committees and answered in the way you have speaks volumes.

Reply
When your questions are in the form of accusations, it becomes obvious that you haven’t facts to back up your questions. This is typical of narrow minded people. However if you were to ask questions based on facts then you would receive a more mature and adult reply.
DS

intercepttheprecept, Keighley says...
8:13am Mon 22 Jun 09

You have all got the same differences. Bury the hatchet, and not between each other's shoulders, and let us start working for the common good of Keighley people!

david Samuels, Keighley says...
11:15am Mon 22 Jun 09

intercepttheprecept.

Obvisously you are right! I am so used to treading in Dog Poo one would have thought I would have learnt to ovoid this sort of mess. My appologies to all!

David Samuels

wizard52, keighley says...
3:21pm Mon 22 Jun 09


Quite right ‘intercepttheprece
pt,’ we should all be fighting for a progressive Keighley Council, not the one we have now!
Cllr Samuels, with respect, you have many on your side. You do not need to make enemies, as you have enough already. It has been noted that you have already apologised, and as such that puts you way ahead of your enemies. As my granddad would have said, ‘it takes a man to apologise as cowards can’t!’
Nice to have talked to you this morning Cllr.


wizard52, keighley says...
3:37pm Mon 22 Jun 09

Added Comment from Wizard 52
Cllr Samuels, nice ‘surgery ‘you have. So many different characters in different languages. I must start the same style but of course in a different location. We missed the Keighley louts, but the Pound shop is wonderful. Once again Councillor, see you soon.

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