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Redressing balance of report
I am writing in reply to your lead story last week about the Ofsted report of Greenhead High School. As a parent of two children there I would like to redress the balance.
Greenhead High School does indeed deal with some very challenging pupils which other schools are not willing to take. However, I cannot praise enough the dedication and care of the staff, not only in dealing with these children, but also in making sure that those who want to learn do not lose out.
My children are currently in years seven and ten. They have both been very happy at the school and have been offered numerous opportunities during their time there. My son who is 12 and has ambitions to enter politics one day is already on the Learning Council and has spoken to inspectors from North Yorkshire about the way the foundation year (year seven) is managed in the school.
He is also a reporter on the school newspaper and an active member of the dance drama club. Despite being the only one from his school to choose Greenhead, he has made a good group of friends and was well cared for by the staff in his first few days.
My daughter, aged 15, is a budding actress and plays a very active role in the performing arts department. She is also highly academic, being one of those children recently gaining a place in MENSA, and is already achieving mainly As and A*s in her GCSE grades, just one and a half terms into the courses. She has had the chance to enter a court competition as a barrister, visited several universities and attended Oxford Literacy Festival, to name just a few of the opportunities given to her. She also participated in the high jump in an inter schools athletics competition, which for a child who does not favour sport was a real credit to the staff of that department.
Any pastoral issues either we as parents or our children have had have also been dealt with swiftly and effectively. Both children feel confident to talk to both teachers and other staff if they have a problem and for us this has contributed hugely to how happy both they and we are with the school.
Fran Grasham
Keighley
Warmth and courtesy
I was immensely saddened last Thursday to read your front page feature on Greenhead High School and as a former secondary school teacher myself, I can appreciate that the morale of the staff and students will now be at rock bottom following the report of the Ofsted inspectors.
However, may I just say that during 2006 we were regularly invited to visit Greenhead High and on each occasion, without fail, we were treated by students and staff alike with a warmth and courtesy which should make the school proud.
There was always a lively enthusiasm from the students, a good teaching atmosphere and a high level of attainment shown, especially in sciences and engineering, where I was twice asked to present awards.
We wish to show our support of the school during these difficult times and to hope that a clear way forward can be found.
Cllr Graham Mitchell
and Mrs Constance Mitchell
Keighley Town Mayor and Mayoress 2006/7.
Excellent improvement
I have been very impressed over recent years with the excellent improvement in GCSE grades at Greenhead High School. Parents I know who have children at the school speak highly of the standard of teaching received and of how well they are doing both academically and socially. One of the young women I'm thinking of is now at university studying law.
So I was shocked to read of Ofsted's judgment and negative comments about Greenhead as reported on your front page last week. The school serves a community which has a considerable share of complex social and economic difficulties.
Ofsted would do a greater service to the education and self-esteem of our young people if it took this into account and also listened more carefully to head teachers before passing judgment.
Annie Williams
South View, Haworth
Extremely unfair on pupils
This letter signed by three pupils was sent to the editor of the Keighley News.
We are members of Greenhead High School and we are appalled by the way we have been portrayed and judged in such a short period of time.
It was extremely unfair that the year 11s were assessed, even though many of us were not present for the inspection, due to the fact that we were taking our mock exams.
The majority of the students work hard and are achieving good grades.
This hard work means we have been labelled as a maths and computing specialist school.
Why isn't Greenhead being praised for all the good things, like early entries for GCSEs?
Statistics show that Greenhead has improved on a yearly bases with its results.
We would appreciate it if you would take the time and effort to get to know the school, which can't be done in the space of the few days that Ofsted spent before passing judgment.
Pupils of Greenhead School
Year 11
A dereliction of duty
It was with great disappointment I learned last week that Keighley and Ilkley MP Ann Cryer had failed to keep her word to the local electorate by not supporting her party's previous commitment to put the new EU Reform Treaty to a referendum of the people.
When Mrs Cryer stood for re-election in 2005, she did so on the basis of a Labour manifesto which promised the country the referendum it demanded on this document, which is an EU constitution in all but name.
So too did the Conservatives, whose Members of Parliament did keep their promise in Parliament last Wednesday by voting to have a referendum.
As we now know, Labour members did not - including Mrs Cryer.
Her failure to keep her manifesto pledge is a dereliction of her duty to the people of Keighley and Ilkley. I do not believe this will be quickly forgotten.
Kris Hopkins
Conservative Prospective Parliamentary
Candidate for Keighley and Ilkley
Pockets of dilapidation
As the railway station and Dalton Lane area has been in the news quite a bit recently I thought I'd write to ask what, if anything, is to happen to the complete eyesore just by the top of Dalton Lane towards Keighley Fire Station?
I refer, of course, to the former premises of British Gas, which have stood, steadily falling apart and completely abandoned, for the best part of 20 or 25 years to my certain knowledge (that is a "guestimate" but can't be very far wrong). If ever there was an argument for compulsorily tidying an area up after a certain time limit, this is it?
The plot is a complete mess - what will it look like when we have a smart, new college building 50 yards away, along with a new entrance or front area to Keighley Railway Station and a new busy Asda store across the road? New shoppers to Keighley will wonder where or what they've come to!
Do we know who owns it - dare they come forward even? Please tell me the machinery for the college or Asda will stray down the road a bit and flatten it! Come on, sort it out. Pockets of dilapidation pull the whole area down. I could name a few more but this'll do to start with.
Kath Gower
Lees Bank Road, Cross Roads
Wonderful furniture project
I would like to say that you to Keighley Furniture Project. Over the past three years I have bought a number of items there and have nothing but praise for the staff/volunteers who work there. They are always cheerful, helpful and kind.
Last week I found a wardrobe perfect for my needs and duly paid £5 for delivery. My home does not have direct access from the road so having already carried said wardrobe, large and heavy, some distance, they then discovered difficulties with my stair banister and a rather tight turning on the landing. But they persevered and finally managed to get the wardrobe in. So thank you to Chris and Gary, who went to some trouble.
I am entering a new phase in my life and a more settled one in my new home. I am hoping to go back to work soon, which is good, but once I'm off benefits I will no longer be able to make use of Keighley Furniture Project.
So I would just like them to know I really appreciate the service they run. If anybody has furniture in good condition which is no longer needed, they will even come to collect, so that others can make use of it.
NAME AND ADDRESS SUPPLIED
No response on complaint
In response to Peter Clarke's, of Oxenhope, letter last week, I would like to agree with everything this gentleman has said.
I myself have written to Bradford Council on the subject in the last few months, with no response or acknowledgement of my letter.
Like Peter Clarke I have nothing against the bikers, it is a great venue for them but please cannot someone be a bit more responsible for the rubbish they leave behind.
How anyone can pull in and eat on a sight like this and how much better for our Yorkshire image if tourists saw a well-kept site and youngsters having fun in our good, clean, Yorkshire air.
For a start how about some rubbish bins so at least they had somewhere to put their rubbish.
June Waddington
Lane End, Barcroft, Cross Roads
Discuss binge drinking
With the issue of binge drinking still high on the news agenda, it would be refreshing to see some discussion of why young people drink and what can be done about it.
Our young people say they started drinking because their friends drank, they wanted to experiment and they were following the example of family and friends. They also say their parents condoned or didn't care about their drinking.
We believe it's time to find solutions to teenage binge drinking by challenging the problem at the earliest opportunity and giving young people reasons to be responsible. This approach works and will reduce teenage drinking.
Clare Checksfield
Chief Executive, Crime Concern
8:16am Thursday 13th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: Greg Mendelson on 12:59pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Clare Checksfield -
[quote]With the issue of binge drinking still high on the news agenda, it would be refreshing to see some discussion of why young people drink and what can be done about it.[/quote]
Seems to me that the explosion in binge drinking coincided with the introduction of alcopops 12 or so years ago.
Clare Checksfield -
With the issue of binge drinking still high on the news agenda, it would be refreshing to see some discussion of why young people drink and what can be done about it.
Seems to me that the explosion in binge drinking coincided with the introduction of alcopops 12 or so years ago.
Posted by: Little Green Man, Mars on 1:02pm Thu 13 Mar 08
"hey everyone, look what she did. She said she was going to do this and she didn't - lets all point and call her names"
When you look behind (please let me be a) politician 'speak' this is what Kris Hopkins is really saying.
How very grown up!
"hey everyone, look what she did. She said she was going to do this and she didn't - lets all point and call her names"
When you look behind (please let me be a) politician 'speak' this is what Kris Hopkins is really saying.
How very grown up!
Posted by: Worried Parent, Worth Valley on 3:01pm Thu 13 Mar 08
What worries me is that no matter how good an OFSTED report a school receives - Education Bradford are now considering closing schools with only one hall or having classes with spaces.
I can already hear the placards being nailed together.[bold]bold[/bold]
What worries me is that no matter how good an OFSTED report a school receives - Education Bradford are now considering closing schools with only one hall or having classes with spaces.
I can already hear the placards being nailed together.
Posted by: David samuels, Keighley on 8:16pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Cllr David Samuels
1 Highcroft Gardens
Keighley
BD21 4UZ
Tel/Fax 01535 608427
Mobil 07795673833
Email: david.samuels@homeca
ll.co.uk
13/3/08
Malcolm Hoddy
Keighley News
North Street.
I had long ago been aware that the Keighley News was a newspaper that represented the views of the majority of the people in this area and that big business, politicians, religious dogma played second fiddle to the thoughts and aspirations of the so called, ‘little people’. Pomposity and arrogance, still rife in today’s society, and will probably remain so, has not dimmed my eyes to the benefit this newspaper has on Keighley. The front page of the Keighley News, 13/3/08 re a planning application for disabled children, we need more not less sites, Wilsden included, demonstrates that while the ‘Nelson Eye’ of humility has gone, probably forever in this country, there is still that streak of social consciousness that this local newspaper has not forgotten. The front page of today’s is one that should win prizes for exposing the ‘Jobsworth’ mentality that blights and destroys society, while on page two our local police are once again made to look inadequate as thugs get away with what could have been a murder situation.
I am proud that for over forty years I have been writing my long letters of protest, a minority of which have been published in this newspaper, and even in National media spots. That I am not liked for my perspective is irrelevant, and that others who have opposed my views are also published, is! However those who state that I should be ‘put down’ for expressing my opinions; I believe should re-examine their own beliefs, religious or agnostic.
David Samuels
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Cllr David Samuels
1 Highcroft Gardens
Keighley
BD21 4UZ
Tel/Fax 01535 608427
Mobil 07795673833
Email: david.samuels@homeca
ll.co.uk
13/3/08
Malcolm Hoddy
Keighley News
North Street.
I had long ago been aware that the Keighley News was a newspaper that represented the views of the majority of the people in this area and that big business, politicians, religious dogma played second fiddle to the thoughts and aspirations of the so called, ‘little people’. Pomposity and arrogance, still rife in today’s society, and will probably remain so, has not dimmed my eyes to the benefit this newspaper has on Keighley. The front page of the Keighley News, 13/3/08 re a planning application for disabled children, we need more not less sites, Wilsden included, demonstrates that while the ‘Nelson Eye’ of humility has gone, probably forever in this country, there is still that streak of social consciousness that this local newspaper has not forgotten. The front page of today’s is one that should win prizes for exposing the ‘Jobsworth’ mentality that blights and destroys society, while on page two our local police are once again made to look inadequate as thugs get away with what could have been a murder situation.
I am proud that for over forty years I have been writing my long letters of protest, a minority of which have been published in this newspaper, and even in National media spots. That I am not liked for my perspective is irrelevant, and that others who have opposed my views are also published, is! However those who state that I should be ‘put down’ for expressing my opinions; I believe should re-examine their own beliefs, religious or agnostic.
David Samuels
Posted by: peter, oxenhope on 3:27pm Sat 15 Mar 08
"Great disappointment"?
I cannot believe the weak and gutless response by the wannabe Conservative MP for Kly, and Ilkley, Kriss Hopkins regarding the position MP Cryer took on behalf of her constituents on the question of the EU reform treaty, her support by abstination is nothing short of an act of treason against the people of this town and this country, she did not argue against this fascist act on behalf of the people who were promised a referendum in the manifesto of this grossly anti-British Government, she did nothing. The so called MP Cryer and this Labour government does not have the right to sign away any of the sovereign powers of this country, our forgotten war dead cry out for justice and an explanation as to why their sacrifice and their endeavours to secure for their descendants, a future fit for heroes has been p****d on by a bunch of political parasites not fit for purpose, and if this is all the wannabe Kriss Hopkins can say to condemn this MP Cryer, then he, like them, is also not fit for purpose, and should be opposed by every God fearing, freedom loving, free thinking, intelligent individual who has the backbone and courage to stand up and say no. A fish, they say, has a two second memory, not unlike many in a large section of our community whoes brain cells have been turned to mush after endless years of self indoctrination by watching soaps and the likes of big brother, these people are excused any effort on the basis of their stupidity in not being able to see their own very real, very sad future, BIG BROTHER will indeed be watching them. Kriss Hopkins and every one of us should be demanding the resignation of this MP Cryer, Kriss Hopkins should be urging his masters in Westminster to propose a vote of no confidence in this government, and he should do it today.
"Great disappointment"?
I cannot believe the weak and gutless response by the wannabe Conservative MP for Kly, and Ilkley, Kriss Hopkins regarding the position MP Cryer took on behalf of her constituents on the question of the EU reform treaty, her support by abstination is nothing short of an act of treason against the people of this town and this country, she did not argue against this fascist act on behalf of the people who were promised a referendum in the manifesto of this grossly anti-British Government, she did nothing. The so called MP Cryer and this Labour government does not have the right to sign away any of the sovereign powers of this country, our forgotten war dead cry out for justice and an explanation as to why their sacrifice and their endeavours to secure for their descendants, a future fit for heroes has been p****d on by a bunch of political parasites not fit for purpose, and if this is all the wannabe Kriss Hopkins can say to condemn this MP Cryer, then he, like them, is also not fit for purpose, and should be opposed by every God fearing, freedom loving, free thinking, intelligent individual who has the backbone and courage to stand up and say no. A fish, they say, has a two second memory, not unlike many in a large section of our community whoes brain cells have been turned to mush after endless years of self indoctrination by watching soaps and the likes of big brother, these people are excused any effort on the basis of their stupidity in not being able to see their own very real, very sad future, BIG BROTHER will indeed be watching them. Kriss Hopkins and every one of us should be demanding the resignation of this MP Cryer, Kriss Hopkins should be urging his masters in Westminster to propose a vote of no confidence in this government, and he should do it today.
Posted by: david, keighley on 4:31pm Sat 15 Mar 08
I think it is a shame the keighley news is editing readers responses regarding greenheads ofsted and creating a rosy picture.
As a parent I have serious concerns about this school. Bully, girls lured into prostitution and drugs are real issues affecting this school but they are persistantly pushed under the carpet and ignored. And what is the response by education bradford , it is to send our most vulnerable chldren to a new special school they will build there - walking victims.
I am glad ofsted sees there are issues to be addressed at thsi school
I think it is a shame the keighley news is editing readers responses regarding greenheads ofsted and creating a rosy picture.
As a parent I have serious concerns about this school. Bully, girls lured into prostitution and drugs are real issues affecting this school but they are persistantly pushed under the carpet and ignored. And what is the response by education bradford , it is to send our most vulnerable chldren to a new special school they will build there - walking victims.
I am glad ofsted sees there are issues to be addressed at thsi school
Posted by: Worth Valley Observer on 10:21pm Sat 15 Mar 08
[quote][bold]david[/bold] wrote:
I think it is a shame the keighley news is editing readers responses regarding greenheads ofsted and creating a rosy picture. As a parent I have serious concerns about this school. Bully, girls lured into prostitution and drugs are real issues affecting this school but they are persistantly pushed under the carpet and ignored. And what is the response by education bradford , it is to send our most vulnerable chldren to a new special school they will build there - walking victims. I am glad ofsted sees there are issues to be addressed at thsi school[/quote] David when the truth starts to be revealed on any issue we see this type of editing in many forms. What you are saying above is right and many people know the true problems we have with schools like this, but we live in a society where most British people have no backbone to speak up, it's the i'm allright Jack syndrome. Ofsted are spot on, if they were not this newspaper would not have printed it. Your other comments though open up another murky image of this poor performing school.
Building a special school on this site must be a real worry for parents.
david wrote:
I think it is a shame the keighley news is editing readers responses regarding greenheads ofsted and creating a rosy picture. As a parent I have serious concerns about this school. Bully, girls lured into prostitution and drugs are real issues affecting this school but they are persistantly pushed under the carpet and ignored. And what is the response by education bradford , it is to send our most vulnerable chldren to a new special school they will build there - walking victims. I am glad ofsted sees there are issues to be addressed at thsi school
David when the truth starts to be revealed on any issue we see this type of editing in many forms. What you are saying above is right and many people know the true problems we have with schools like this, but we live in a society where most British people have no backbone to speak up, it's the i'm allright Jack syndrome. Ofsted are spot on, if they were not this newspaper would not have printed it. Your other comments though open up another murky image of this poor performing school.
Building a special school on this site must be a real worry for parents.
Posted by: peter, oxenhope on 2:55pm Sun 16 Mar 08
David, and Worth Valley observer.
Sadly I am one of the many who do not know the true problems relating to this particular school, Greenhead, but would like to know more as the allegations being made about this school are way beyond any report Ofsted could produce, allegations of bullying, prostitution, drugs are not what any prospective parent of any new pupil who either wants to be there or are forced to be there would want to hear, if there is any truth in any of the allegations being made, I ask you, whoever you are, to have the courage, the guts or the backbone to stand up and tell all, are they truths or just myths, let us all hear about it. and if, as you say a new special school for our vulnerable kids is to be built near Greenhead, then we owe it to everyone to come clean.
The Kly News has given us the opportunity to air our views in the form of this website, lets use it, dont be scared, just tell the truth.
David, and Worth Valley observer.
Sadly I am one of the many who do not know the true problems relating to this particular school, Greenhead, but would like to know more as the allegations being made about this school are way beyond any report Ofsted could produce, allegations of bullying, prostitution, drugs are not what any prospective parent of any new pupil who either wants to be there or are forced to be there would want to hear, if there is any truth in any of the allegations being made, I ask you, whoever you are, to have the courage, the guts or the backbone to stand up and tell all, are they truths or just myths, let us all hear about it. and if, as you say a new special school for our vulnerable kids is to be built near Greenhead, then we owe it to everyone to come clean.
The Kly News has given us the opportunity to air our views in the form of this website, lets use it, dont be scared, just tell the truth.
Posted by: david, keighley on 9:39pm Sun 16 Mar 08
Greenhead has a falling school roll which has led to education Bradford reducing its admission numbers.. Other schools by contrast across the district are oversubscribed.I think it is a reasonable question to ask why this is?
For me a possible anwser lies in the following bbc reporthttp://www.bbc
.co.uk/radio/aod/mai
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www.bbc.co.uk/radio/
aod/fivelive_aod.sht
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_grooming
Greenhead has a falling school roll which has led to education Bradford reducing its admission numbers.. Other schools by contrast across the district are oversubscribed.I think it is a reasonable question to ask why this is?
For me a possible anwser lies in the following bbc reporthttp://www.bbc
.co.uk/radio/aod/mai
nframe.shtml?http://
www.bbc.co.uk/radio/
aod/fivelive_aod.sht
ml?fivelive/flreport
_grooming
Posted by: Roger Stevens, Manchester on 7:14pm Mon 17 Mar 08
Once again we see the allegations of drugs and 'grooming' appearing in the comments.
Well I wonder when someone with evidence will ever get to expose this situation AGAIN ?
It is the age of YouTube, the internet, and cheap video equipment. There really is no excuse for saying it's 'swept under the carpet'.
If anyone has REAL authentic evidence, just get in touch with me and I will give you all the help you need to expose it in evry outlet, if you can't do it yourself.
In other words - shut up or put up.
Once again we see the allegations of drugs and 'grooming' appearing in the comments.
Well I wonder when someone with evidence will ever get to expose this situation AGAIN ?
It is the age of YouTube, the internet, and cheap video equipment. There really is no excuse for saying it's 'swept under the carpet'.
If anyone has REAL authentic evidence, just get in touch with me and I will give you all the help you need to expose it in evry outlet, if you can't do it yourself.
In other words - shut up or put up.
Posted by: Chris K, Keighley on 10:35pm Mon 17 Mar 08
Today we witness 51 billion pounds wiped off the shares market, 8 billion pounds of this for pension provisions. The Bank of England have today put 5 billion pounds into limiting any freeze on lending and are expected to follow with another 10 billion over the next day or so. Here we have the tax-payer yet again footing an almost inevitable recession just around the corner while people still live as if everything is fine and dandy, something many will one day regret. But I suppose we must thank our lucky stars that we have Labour MP's like Ed Balls whose only comments to our financial woes is "so what" and we must also respect the wishes of our hard up Labour MP's and support their recent agreed pay increase to allow them the priviledge of an extra £20,000 plus per year for expenses. You lucky people on minimum wage will never ever know just how well off you really are.
Today we witness 51 billion pounds wiped off the shares market, 8 billion pounds of this for pension provisions. The Bank of England have today put 5 billion pounds into limiting any freeze on lending and are expected to follow with another 10 billion over the next day or so. Here we have the tax-payer yet again footing an almost inevitable recession just around the corner while people still live as if everything is fine and dandy, something many will one day regret. But I suppose we must thank our lucky stars that we have Labour MP's like Ed Balls whose only comments to our financial woes is "so what" and we must also respect the wishes of our hard up Labour MP's and support their recent agreed pay increase to allow them the priviledge of an extra £20,000 plus per year for expenses. You lucky people on minimum wage will never ever know just how well off you really are.
Posted by: Justamum, keighley on 8:16am Tue 18 Mar 08
Roger the issues of grooming etc are not imagined but are a matter of public record and there have been successful prosecutions. It is regrettable that the BNP have hghjacked this issue bu not all people who have concerns are racist! It is an issue for me of safety for my child who is disabled!
Education Bradford are building the areas new special school on this site and I think I am being responsile as a parent to be scared. We were originally told the schools would be seperate but now they are trying to share facilities such as dining room etc together. Wouldnt you want to know everything was being done to keep your disabled child safe. She cant speak for herself so if anything happened to her she couldnt tell the police so how could we ever get justice for her.
This is a real concern for me Roger. People dont send their chidlren willingly to greenhead and whilst I think the teachers and head are working hard to support their kids to ignore these fears are wrong and very patronising.
Roger the issues of grooming etc are not imagined but are a matter of public record and there have been successful prosecutions. It is regrettable that the BNP have hghjacked this issue bu not all people who have concerns are racist! It is an issue for me of safety for my child who is disabled!
Education Bradford are building the areas new special school on this site and I think I am being responsile as a parent to be scared. We were originally told the schools would be seperate but now they are trying to share facilities such as dining room etc together. Wouldnt you want to know everything was being done to keep your disabled child safe. She cant speak for herself so if anything happened to her she couldnt tell the police so how could we ever get justice for her.
This is a real concern for me Roger. People dont send their chidlren willingly to greenhead and whilst I think the teachers and head are working hard to support their kids to ignore these fears are wrong and very patronising.
Posted by: Roger Stevens, Manchester on 7:09pm Tue 18 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Justamum[/bold] wrote:
Roger the issues of grooming etc are not imagined but are a matter of public record and there have been successful prosecutions. It is regrettable that the BNP have hghjacked this issue bu not all people who have concerns are racist! It is an issue for me of safety for my child who is disabled! Education Bradford are building the areas new special school on this site and I think I am being responsile as a parent to be scared. We were originally told the schools would be seperate but now they are trying to share facilities such as dining room etc together. Wouldnt you want to know everything was being done to keep your disabled child safe. She cant speak for herself so if anything happened to her she couldnt tell the police so how could we ever get justice for her. This is a real concern for me Roger. People dont send their chidlren willingly to greenhead and whilst I think the teachers and head are working hard to support their kids to ignore these fears are wrong and very patronising.[/quote] I am aware of the 'grooming' situations in Keighley as reporteda bit ago, and that of your Cllr Angela Sinfield and the actions of Ann Cryer - "Ann Cryer admits she has no direct evidence but suspects it is still going on in Keighley".
These are old news stories and what is the point of Cryer's statement above ?
As an outsider, I assume that the situation is now 'solved'.
if not, where are the parents who are complaining ? And what are Sinfield and cryer doing if it is still going on ?
Now I read that pupils at this school are somehow involved.
But of course - no one is speaking up and so everyone assumes it is hyped-up nonsense.
Like I said, I offer my help to anyone who wants to use the non-censored media to expose this, if it going on.
If it happening via a school it is an extremely serious situation.
And no - iam involved with the BNP in any way whatsoever.
Justamum wrote:
Roger the issues of grooming etc are not imagined but are a matter of public record and there have been successful prosecutions. It is regrettable that the BNP have hghjacked this issue bu not all people who have concerns are racist! It is an issue for me of safety for my child who is disabled! Education Bradford are building the areas new special school on this site and I think I am being responsile as a parent to be scared. We were originally told the schools would be seperate but now they are trying to share facilities such as dining room etc together. Wouldnt you want to know everything was being done to keep your disabled child safe. She cant speak for herself so if anything happened to her she couldnt tell the police so how could we ever get justice for her. This is a real concern for me Roger. People dont send their chidlren willingly to greenhead and whilst I think the teachers and head are working hard to support their kids to ignore these fears are wrong and very patronising.
I am aware of the 'grooming' situations in Keighley as reporteda bit ago, and that of your Cllr Angela Sinfield and the actions of Ann Cryer - "Ann Cryer admits she has no direct evidence but suspects it is still going on in Keighley".
These are old news stories and what is the point of Cryer's statement above ?
As an outsider, I assume that the situation is now 'solved'.
if not, where are the parents who are complaining ? And what are Sinfield and cryer doing if it is still going on ?
Now I read that pupils at this school are somehow involved.
But of course - no one is speaking up and so everyone assumes it is hyped-up nonsense.
Like I said, I offer my help to anyone who wants to use the non-censored media to expose this, if it going on.
If it happening via a school it is an extremely serious situation.
And no - iam involved with the BNP in any way whatsoever.
Posted by: Worth Valley Observer on 8:05pm Tue 18 Mar 08
Roger and Justamum.
Of course we know that grooming is still a problem in Keighley as it is in Lancashire, Ann Cryer the other week made a statement to this effect. What grooming has to do with the Ofsted postings goodness only knows. Roger, there are mums out there who need genuine help with regards to these sickening acts, but will only come forward if a genuine organisation or individual comes forward promising results. Ann Cryer let them down and Angela Sinfield is about as much use as a chocolate fire guard. You say that the situation has been resolved, how very wrong you are. You go on to then say that you will offer your help using non-censored media, how will you do this? Let's cut out the going around in circles and making small talk, again how will you do this? You make a big promise, let's see you in action for the right reasons.
Roger and Justamum.
Of course we know that grooming is still a problem in Keighley as it is in Lancashire, Ann Cryer the other week made a statement to this effect. What grooming has to do with the Ofsted postings goodness only knows. Roger, there are mums out there who need genuine help with regards to these sickening acts, but will only come forward if a genuine organisation or individual comes forward promising results. Ann Cryer let them down and Angela Sinfield is about as much use as a chocolate fire guard. You say that the situation has been resolved, how very wrong you are. You go on to then say that you will offer your help using non-censored media, how will you do this? Let's cut out the going around in circles and making small talk, again how will you do this? You make a big promise, let's see you in action for the right reasons.
Posted by: peters, oxenhope on 9:45am Wed 19 Mar 08
Roger Stevens.
Your offers of help to anyone with the evidence to condemn this school is commendable, as long as the format you require to do this is presented to you on a plate, ie, in video form, but as "David and Justamum" have already pointed out, the concerns these parents have about this school are well documented, so are well justified, and if these concerns are real and there are such words as "Fear and Scared" being used to explain that concern, then surely it is only right that these words should be expressed in the hope that these real fears can be allayed by the relevant authorities, and unless there is a public outcry, which will not happen, these fears will not be allayed.
Roger Stevens, you say "there is no excuse for saying its swept under the carpet", you are extremely naive if you think that, of course there is every reason, for any concerns regarding this schools past or present to be "swept under the carpet", the reasons are quite clear when you mention words like "Jobs, Careers, Integrity, Truth, Compensation, Trust, Closure, Grooming, Missing children", you know, words that matter,this school is at serious risk if accusations made are not addressed, but are "swept under the carpet", for you to be aware of the grooming issue, to deny reports by Cryer about this issue, to assume the issue to be resolved, to assume the issue to be pure hype, puts you in denial like all the rest, and that makes you the last person on Earth anyone would want help from, the people who do know are too frightened to open their mouths for fear of being labelled a racist or a fascist, have a fear of retaliation, a fear of being allied to the bnp, a fear of their own shadow, all rational thoughts but all cowardly acts, as far as Sinfield and Cryer are concerned, I think Worth Valley Observer put that right.
Roger Stevens.
Your offers of help to anyone with the evidence to condemn this school is commendable, as long as the format you require to do this is presented to you on a plate, ie, in video form, but as "David and Justamum" have already pointed out, the concerns these parents have about this school are well documented, so are well justified, and if these concerns are real and there are such words as "Fear and Scared" being used to explain that concern, then surely it is only right that these words should be expressed in the hope that these real fears can be allayed by the relevant authorities, and unless there is a public outcry, which will not happen, these fears will not be allayed.
Roger Stevens, you say "there is no excuse for saying its swept under the carpet", you are extremely naive if you think that, of course there is every reason, for any concerns regarding this schools past or present to be "swept under the carpet", the reasons are quite clear when you mention words like "Jobs, Careers, Integrity, Truth, Compensation, Trust, Closure, Grooming, Missing children", you know, words that matter,this school is at serious risk if accusations made are not addressed, but are "swept under the carpet", for you to be aware of the grooming issue, to deny reports by Cryer about this issue, to assume the issue to be resolved, to assume the issue to be pure hype, puts you in denial like all the rest, and that makes you the last person on Earth anyone would want help from, the people who do know are too frightened to open their mouths for fear of being labelled a racist or a fascist, have a fear of retaliation, a fear of being allied to the bnp, a fear of their own shadow, all rational thoughts but all cowardly acts, as far as Sinfield and Cryer are concerned, I think Worth Valley Observer put that right.
Posted by: Roger Stevens, manchester on 1:53am Thu 20 Mar 08
Well I did not say 'present me video evidence on a plate' about the alleged ongoing grooming situation in Keighley / Bradford areas.
I said I would help to expose it if the evidence was authentic and verifiable and the situation hasn't been resolved.
It is easy to do - and I am sorry to say that I doubt whetehr relying on any of the 'authorities' or the do-gooder staffed charities is likely to be effective, for various reasons which are fairly obvious.
It is easy - make a video with a number of concerned parents telling their story and their experiences and put it on YouTube and Google Video and every other site you can upload to - even produce your own website. These things spread like wildfire and the 'authorities' hate it because they can't control it.
If the 'authorities' won't do anything, do it yourself and take it out of their hands and expose them for being inactive and useless.
Pixelating faces and disguising voices is trivial and anonymity can be protected easily.
It's not rocket science - it just needs a bit of planning and some minimal technical expertise.
Writing in this local paper won't get parents anywhere - make it globally available.
That's a simple suggestion - I would consider that as a start.
As I say - if any of these concerned parents want to take it up, I will help if they want.
There's lots that people can do, but I won't / can't go into that here.
Well I did not say 'present me video evidence on a plate' about the alleged ongoing grooming situation in Keighley / Bradford areas.
I said I would help to expose it if the evidence was authentic and verifiable and the situation hasn't been resolved.
It is easy to do - and I am sorry to say that I doubt whetehr relying on any of the 'authorities' or the do-gooder staffed charities is likely to be effective, for various reasons which are fairly obvious.
It is easy - make a video with a number of concerned parents telling their story and their experiences and put it on YouTube and Google Video and every other site you can upload to - even produce your own website. These things spread like wildfire and the 'authorities' hate it because they can't control it.
If the 'authorities' won't do anything, do it yourself and take it out of their hands and expose them for being inactive and useless.
Pixelating faces and disguising voices is trivial and anonymity can be protected easily.
It's not rocket science - it just needs a bit of planning and some minimal technical expertise.
Writing in this local paper won't get parents anywhere - make it globally available.
That's a simple suggestion - I would consider that as a start.
As I say - if any of these concerned parents want to take it up, I will help if they want.
There's lots that people can do, but I won't / can't go into that here.
Posted by: Worth Valley Observer on 7:35pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Roger, channel 4 carried a news story in 2004 where they spoke to a mum of the grooming issue here in Keighley. By stating that [bold]Youtube[/bold] is more effective than channel 4 is being a little naive to say the least. I think your heart is in the right place but you seem to lack the real strength to be able to act, however by all means try but you won't get the information needed off this website so where will you start?
Keighley people await the arrival of your services, so long as you are not part of that new group calling themselves the Independent Nationalists?
Roger, channel 4 carried a news story in 2004 where they spoke to a mum of the grooming issue here in Keighley. By stating that
Youtube is more effective than channel 4 is being a little naive to say the least. I think your heart is in the right place but you seem to lack the real strength to be able to act, however by all means try but you won't get the information needed off this website so where will you start?
Keighley people await the arrival of your services, so long as you are not part of that new group calling themselves the Independent Nationalists?
Posted by: Roger Stevens, Manchester on 9:56pm Thu 20 Mar 08
I know all about 'Edge of the City' and much more besides. The other story about that lies not in the documentary itself but in the motives of the ethnic groups who
tried to get it banned.
You grossly undervalue the ability of global permanent access media to get a message across to a ide audience.
I am not the one with a problem - if people want to contavt me, they will find a way via this website. Alternatively, they can can just carry on as they are doing if they are happy.
I am not going around ' pedling my services'. I am not the one with a problem.
Contact me or not - I don't really mind one way or the other.
You can only help those who actively seek help.
I know all about 'Edge of the City' and much more besides. The other story about that lies not in the documentary itself but in the motives of the ethnic groups who
tried to get it banned.
You grossly undervalue the ability of global permanent access media to get a message across to a ide audience.
I am not the one with a problem - if people want to contavt me, they will find a way via this website. Alternatively, they can can just carry on as they are doing if they are happy.
I am not going around ' pedling my services'. I am not the one with a problem.
Contact me or not - I don't really mind one way or the other.
You can only help those who actively seek help.
Posted by: peter, oxenhope on 10:26am Fri 21 Mar 08
Roger.
I believe we are at last all singing from the same hymn sheet, and I would like to ask you as a technical advisor and you Worth Valley Observer, and any other interested party, your views on the possible ways forward regarding this extremely delicate issue.
To me, what appears to be one of the main stumbling- blocks is the cowardly yet rational fear of speaking out, that there is no specific safe alternative to silence, if there was a safe alternative to silence in the form of a po box, telephone contact or more ambitiously, a whistleblower website for keighley only, (for now), then maybe progress of a specific nature may be cultivated without the fear of any repercussions by the relevant authorities against the people who may wish to blow the whistle on any malpractice, it could include any issues relevant to, or the knoweledge of any wrong doing, in local government, at work anything that can make a difference, as you say Roger, "expose them for being inactive or useless", which I believe you to mean the relevant authourities, 10 years ago I would have scoffed at the idea of a whistleblower website, today, I would welcome the challenge to confront the lies, the deceit, the corruption, the waste we all have to endure day after day, but to do this, we need to contact the people who know the truth, please give me your views on this.
Roger.
I believe we are at last all singing from the same hymn sheet, and I would like to ask you as a technical advisor and you Worth Valley Observer, and any other interested party, your views on the possible ways forward regarding this extremely delicate issue.
To me, what appears to be one of the main stumbling- blocks is the cowardly yet rational fear of speaking out, that there is no specific safe alternative to silence, if there was a safe alternative to silence in the form of a po box, telephone contact or more ambitiously, a whistleblower website for keighley only, (for now), then maybe progress of a specific nature may be cultivated without the fear of any repercussions by the relevant authorities against the people who may wish to blow the whistle on any malpractice, it could include any issues relevant to, or the knoweledge of any wrong doing, in local government, at work anything that can make a difference, as you say Roger, "expose them for being inactive or useless", which I believe you to mean the relevant authourities, 10 years ago I would have scoffed at the idea of a whistleblower website, today, I would welcome the challenge to confront the lies, the deceit, the corruption, the waste we all have to endure day after day, but to do this, we need to contact the people who know the truth, please give me your views on this.
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Posted by: peter, oxenhope on 2:52pm Wed 26 Mar 08
Brontelady.
Thank you for your response to my request regarding a whistleblower web-site for Keighley. Having recently looked into and discovered the potential for such a site, the real need for one, and the possible benefits it would bring to us all, now make this a realistic option.
Brontelady.
Thank you for your response to my request regarding a whistleblower web-site for Keighley. Having recently looked into and discovered the potential for such a site, the real need for one, and the possible benefits it would bring to us all, now make this a realistic option.
Posted by: Roger Stevens, Manchester on 6:00pm Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]peter[/bold] wrote:
Brontelady. Thank you for your response to my request regarding a whistleblower web-site for Keighley. Having recently looked into and discovered the potential for such a site, the real need for one, and the possible benefits it would bring to us all, now make this a realistic option. [/quote] Do you mean that YOU are going to do it, Peter ?
Well I wish you better success than trying to help people who don't want to be REALLY helped.
Good luck to you.
Also, remember to watch BBC1 Panorama on Thursday 27th March at 10.35 .
It's the BBC of course - they will censor it, but even those PC idiots can't hide the facts.
By the way, if you want my answer to setting up help for those who don't want to be helped, I will post it if you want - as long as you don't expect me to waste my time helping those who don't want to be helped.
Ler CROP do it -the wonderful people that they are.
peter wrote:
Brontelady. Thank you for your response to my request regarding a whistleblower web-site for Keighley. Having recently looked into and discovered the potential for such a site, the real need for one, and the possible benefits it would bring to us all, now make this a realistic option.
Do you mean that YOU are going to do it, Peter ?
Well I wish you better success than trying to help people who don't want to be REALLY helped.
Good luck to you.
Also, remember to watch BBC1 Panorama on Thursday 27th March at 10.35 .
It's the BBC of course - they will censor it, but even those PC idiots can't hide the facts.
By the way, if you want my answer to setting up help for those who don't want to be helped, I will post it if you want - as long as you don't expect me to waste my time helping those who don't want to be helped.
Ler CROP do it -the wonderful people that they are.
Posted by: Georgiegirl, Yorkshire on 6:48pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Whilst it is an excellent idea to set up a Whistleblower site for Keighley.....perhaps it would be in order for someone away from the area to set it up......if it were to get out that this was being done by someone local, I would be worried for their safety....
Comments please
Whilst it is an excellent idea to set up a Whistleblower site for Keighley.....perhaps it would be in order for someone away from the area to set it up......if it were to get out that this was being done by someone local, I would be worried for their safety....
Comments please
Posted by: peter, oxenhope on 8:13pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Brontelady,
Your fears of possible retaliation by the people who would have something to worry about if a whistleblower website were to be set up in Keighley, may well be justified, but to allow the evil actions of the grooming scum in our midst to be allowed to contiue, far outways the possible risks involved, cowardice has never been my strong point, but I fully understand your concerns, thank you.
Brontelady,
Your fears of possible retaliation by the people who would have something to worry about if a whistleblower website were to be set up in Keighley, may well be justified, but to allow the evil actions of the grooming scum in our midst to be allowed to contiue, far outways the possible risks involved, cowardice has never been my strong point, but I fully understand your concerns, thank you.
Posted by: Roger, Manchester on 2:48pm Sat 29 Mar 08
[quote][bold]peter[/bold] wrote:
Brontelady, Your fears of possible retaliation by the people who would have something to worry about if a whistleblower website were to be set up in Keighley, may well be justified, but to allow the evil actions of the grooming scum in our midst to be allowed to contiue, far outways the possible risks involved, cowardice has never been my strong point, but I fully understand your concerns, thank you.[/quote] So, peter, you are going to set this up are you ?
peter wrote:
Brontelady, Your fears of possible retaliation by the people who would have something to worry about if a whistleblower website were to be set up in Keighley, may well be justified, but to allow the evil actions of the grooming scum in our midst to be allowed to contiue, far outways the possible risks involved, cowardice has never been my strong point, but I fully understand your concerns, thank you.
So, peter, you are going to set this up are you ?
Posted by: peter, oxenhope on 1:54pm Sun 30 Mar 08
depending on the feasability, the law and other aspects of this project, it is a couse of action I would like to take as soon as piossible.
depending on the feasability, the law and other aspects of this project, it is a couse of action I would like to take as soon as piossible.
Posted by: Annie, Yorkshire on 1:59pm Tue 1 Apr 08
This board seems to be uncensored is this the type you want? It appears to run with little interferance or retaliatory comments.
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This board seems to be uncensored is this the type you want? It appears to run with little interferance or retaliatory comments.
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Posted by: Roger Stevens, Manchester on 2:57pm Tue 1 Apr 08
[quote][bold]peter[/bold] wrote:
depending on the feasability, the law and other aspects of this project, it is a couse of action I would like to take as soon as piossible.[/quote] Still waiting Peter foryour 'whistleblower' website ........
Like most others in the Bradford area, all full of crap as you hide under the carpet.
You should apply for a job with the West Yorkshire Police - they like carpets and brushes too.
Those are the idiots, by the way, after their useless 'Operation Parsonage' declared that ' there is no evidence of systematic abuse'.
I wonder how many of the West Yorsshire Police involved in Operation Parsonage have now been sacked for incompetence, now it accepted that 'systematic abuse' does in fact take place ?
Well good luck to you Peter - you have a long uphill struggle if you expect any of the bullshitting politically correct ethnically over-sensitive tossers at the West Yorkshire Police or Bradford Social Services to 'whistleblow' the truth - too busy wetting in their pants in case they might be accused of racism and it might affect their promotion prospects.
peter wrote:
depending on the feasability, the law and other aspects of this project, it is a couse of action I would like to take as soon as piossible.
Still waiting Peter foryour 'whistleblower' website ........
Like most others in the Bradford area, all full of crap as you hide under the carpet.
You should apply for a job with the West Yorkshire Police - they like carpets and brushes too.
Those are the idiots, by the way, after their useless 'Operation Parsonage' declared that ' there is no evidence of systematic abuse'.
I wonder how many of the West Yorsshire Police involved in Operation Parsonage have now been sacked for incompetence, now it accepted that 'systematic abuse' does in fact take place ?
Well good luck to you Peter - you have a long uphill struggle if you expect any of the bullshitting politically correct ethnically over-sensitive tossers at the West Yorkshire Police or Bradford Social Services to 'whistleblow' the truth - too busy wetting in their pants in case they might be accused of racism and it might affect their promotion prospects.
Posted by: Worth Valley Observer on 9:09pm Tue 1 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Roger Stevens[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]peter[/bold] wrote: depending on the feasability, the law and other aspects of this project, it is a couse of action I would like to take as soon as piossible.[/quote] Still waiting Peter foryour 'whistleblower' website ........ Like most others in the Bradford area, all full of crap as you hide under the carpet. You should apply for a job with the West Yorkshire Police - they like carpets and brushes too. Those are the idiots, by the way, after their useless 'Operation Parsonage' declared that ' there is no evidence of systematic abuse'. I wonder how many of the West Yorsshire Police involved in Operation Parsonage have now been sacked for incompetence, now it accepted that 'systematic abuse' does in fact take place ? Well good luck to you Peter - you have a long uphill struggle if you expect any of the bullshitting politically correct ethnically over-sensitive tossers at the West Yorkshire Police or Bradford Social Services to 'whistleblow' the truth - too busy wetting in their pants in case they might be accused of racism and it might affect their promotion prospects. [/quote] You started off by saying that you were going to help people Roger and now you are waiting for others to do your dirty work, you really are a weak man. Why don't you go around Manchester, that is if you really live there, and cause your mayhem there? Keighley doesn't want anymore false hero's and promises from people like you, we had two years of that with frank, colin or whatever he calls himself these days.
Roger Stevens wrote:
peter wrote: depending on the feasability, the law and other aspects of this project, it is a couse of action I would like to take as soon as piossible.
Still waiting Peter foryour 'whistleblower' website ........ Like most others in the Bradford area, all full of crap as you hide under the carpet. You should apply for a job with the West Yorkshire Police - they like carpets and brushes too. Those are the idiots, by the way, after their useless 'Operation Parsonage' declared that ' there is no evidence of systematic abuse'. I wonder how many of the West Yorsshire Police involved in Operation Parsonage have now been sacked for incompetence, now it accepted that 'systematic abuse' does in fact take place ? Well good luck to you Peter - you have a long uphill struggle if you expect any of the bullshitting politically correct ethnically over-sensitive tossers at the West Yorkshire Police or Bradford Social Services to 'whistleblow' the truth - too busy wetting in their pants in case they might be accused of racism and it might affect their promotion prospects.
You started off by saying that you were going to help people Roger and now you are waiting for others to do your dirty work, you really are a weak man. Why don't you go around Manchester, that is if you really live there, and cause your mayhem there? Keighley doesn't want anymore false hero's and promises from people like you, we had two years of that with frank, colin or whatever he calls himself these days.
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