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7:37am Thursday 24th July 2008

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Let little ones play in safety

After reading your article about the pensioner C Holly angry that a play ban is being ignored, may I add my two pennies' worth and I am sure a lot of people will agree with me.

I am myself a resident of Long Lee and my daughter, son-in-law and two children, aged eight and 11, live on the Walk. These houses are family homes and have been occupied by the same families with young children longer than the two years C Holly has lived there.

I have always found the children in these houses to be polite and well brought up by their hard working parents. Surely they are doing no wrong in letting their little ones play where they can be seen, as have others before them.

I could sympathise if this area was been used by older youths but come on, little children!

Mrs S A Johnson Long Lee

Praise for bus drivers

Being a regular user of the Keighley and District service No 500 to Hebden Bridge, I often admire the ingenuity of the bus drivers on this route, having to negotiate already narrow roads, made worse by inconsiderate car owners, who think they have a God given right to park outside their front door.

The problem is especially bad in Haworth, Oxenhope and Pecket Well, another being where the road drops down into Hebden Bridge, a stretch which should have double yellow lines on both sides, parking on such a road is stupid, as well as dangerous.

A Shipman Harley Gardens, Leeds.

Cyclists'lack of thought

I'd like to bring everyone's attention to the danger on the roads in the local area in the hope they can be forewarned.

On Thursday, July 10, driving home around seven in the evening we were about seventh in a row of cars driving slowly, below the speed limit, from Burley. We finally realised what the hold up was when we saw a cluster of cyclists stretched across the left-hand side of the road.

As far as I am aware, cycling proficiency, which is taught to small children in primary school, tells us to stay in single file at the side of the road; a rule even the children clearly understand. For those adults who may not have had such a lesson, the Highway Code also, which by law needs to be thoroughly understood before entering on to the roads, tells us to "never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding around bends". These cyclists were breaking the law and it's that simple.

One straggler at the back at one point decided it was all too much just before the bypass and performed a U-turn on the right-hand side of the road infront of an oncoming car and then mounted the pavement. Did he at least signal to do this? Of course not, don't be so silly, a flap of his arm with no looking around is surely sufficient. The other Highway Code rule to never "ride in a dangerous, careless or inconsiderate manner" clearly was just not important enough to be adhered to here.

What became more annoying for us car users, and so much more dangerous for the cyclists, was that they continued in this fashion all the way down the bypass to Addingham, leaving some cars too worried the group was too wide to even bother overtaking.

This wasn't a scheduled, official, race but seemed more to be like a club for enthusiasts. I hope one of them is reading this. I would like to ask them to be aware of their own safety on the road. I would like them to read the Highway Code. I would like them to ask their kids what they learnt in their cycling proficiency tests. I would like them to show consideration for the law. I would like them to show consideration and respect for the tax paying cars that the road was intended for. I would remind them not to look back at us cars with an incredulous look when we are trailing right behind them trying to find a way past. I would like them to find a safer way to display their lycra-clad "muscle" in a less inane way.

The road was not made for cyclists to ride five abreast down a bypass where the speed limit is around 50-60mph and where cyclists can only do about 30mph. The law does not support these acts. Please find another way to stave off your mid-life crisis and leave us all to get home safely and in peace.

Olivia Charlesworth St Michael's Way, Addingham.

Police response is tosh!

We have one of the most beautiful churches in the district, if not the country, in St. Joseph's, at Ingrow.

My grandparents and parents, along with many more in the parish, sacrificed a great deal to build our church in the 1930s.

In recent months, the roof has been systematically stripped of it's lead. Nine times they have been back and when the police have been sent for, they have failed to appear, until the perpetrators are long gone.

Even when neighbours have rung the police to tell them where the lead has been stashed, or even to tell them that the thieves have returned to take away their spoils, they have just retorted that they couldn't prove where it came from, or that these men had actually stolen it in the first place. What tosh!

People may think that this is a victimless crime but we, the parishioners, certainly don't share this view. Our priest, Father O'Keeffe, is constantly being disturbed by these mindless intruders.

Also we are constantly trying to raise funds to keep our church in good order, in grateful thanks to our forefathers, who put so much effort into building our wonderful church.

Why is it that thieves and perpetrators of crime have all the rights on their side and we, Joe Public, have to put up with it.

Until something is done about this problem, they will just keep returning, with no fear of prosecution.

Mary Cryer Broomhill Avenue, Keighley

Say 'no' to state funeral

I have just read to my horror and disgust that this so-called Labour Government has sanctioned a state funeral for M H Thatcher.

May I remind you and Mr G Brown that this woman was responsible for the destruction of the coal industry and the privatisation of our utilities.

These now languish under foreign control, holding us to ransom over supplies of gas and electricity.

Instead, M H Thatcher should have been brought before Parliament to answer for her crimes against the British people. The deep divisions in the country she caused may never heal.

We have not forgotten Orgreave and Wapping. This event will further rend the country apart by throwing salt in to unhealed wounds. I will not be alone in building a bonfire to burn M H Thatcher in effigy on that occasion which will go down in infamy.

I implore you to do everything you can to ensure it never happens.

Mrs Cheryl Gray and Mr C Richard Joy, Thwaites, Keighley.


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Peter Anness, Toronto, Canada says...
9:05pm Thu 24 Jul 08

Re: "Say 'no' to state funeral
Ever wonder why the "Labour" Government would sanction a State Funeral for Baroness Margaret Thatcher ??? Perhaps EVEN THEY feel she truly deserves one! Remember the months prior to May 4th, 1979, when she took office ... there were more people on strike that working! The nation was controlled by union leaders and endless strikes brought the country to it's knees. Remember the huge piles of rubbish in the streets? Remember the army filling the role of striking ambulance workers and firefighters? I REMEMBER !!!

There are some of us in society that feel a woman should never ever be elected to office. I say that they are wrong and Margaret Thatcher was the one of the World's greatest Prime Ministers EVER and a state funeral is exactly what she has earned.

She did make mistakes and caused anguish for many, but there had to be sacrifices.

Not everyone liked her policies, but sometimes a bitter pill must be taken to heal !

Baroness Margaret Thatcher, I salute you !!

toppleover, keighley says...
9:37pm Thu 24 Jul 08

There is no way on earth should the taxpayers fund a funeral for Maggie, clearly she was a strong leader but look at the problems she caused, the poll tax reduction of employment rights. Decination of the coalmines. The sinking of the Belgrano during the falklands war. She screwed the counry up big time privatised anything that didnt move with disastrous results look at the fragmentation of the rail network.

I am puzzled as to why the government I support is agreeing to this.

During her time she changed the country from a caring society to a me me attitude and the effects are being felt now.

To clarify I believe this decision will open up a lot of old wounds and whilst when it happens it will sad time for the family I for one will not mourn the passing Maggie Thatcher for her actions as Prime Minister

Chris, Keighley says...
9:45pm Thu 24 Jul 08

As predicted our glorious MP for Keighley and the not required Unions have carried out the sacrifice of the kitchen staff at Airedale Hospital. When these pocket jumpers makes plans it always ends in tragedy for the working men and women.

Chris, Keighley says...
9:53pm Thu 24 Jul 08

The coal mines will in general be virtually all back open within the next five years. Politics closed them not one woman, although she was a strong lady who ripped the sole out of the unions after Mr. Scargill took the lads out on an unofficial strike. One thing is for sure though and that is this government has cost the tax-payer of this Country more money and misery than the Conservatives ever did, and they haven't finished yet.
Land of hope and glory? more like land of crime and gory.

toppleover, keighley says...
12:11pm Fri 25 Jul 08

There is no way the government has caused more division in the country than Maggie and her crew. Lets look at somethings. The minimum wage a fantastic achievement opposed by the tories. Bank of england independence opposed by the tories. Whilst the nhs has difficulties be under no illusion the tories would despite what they would decimate it by reducing funds.

The tories will always be the same a danger to the majority of the people unless you are rich, its a fact of life.


Mark, Haworth says...
2:20pm Fri 25 Jul 08

The comments seem to have moved away from the story.

To me there are two things which seem to have been overlooked:
1) The wishes of Mrs Thatcher and her family
2) She isn't DEAD!

Chris, Keighley says...
5:00pm Fri 25 Jul 08

The Labour party made it easy for young girls to get pregnant, claim benefits and contribute very little to the economy, at the same time giving the young no constructive aims in life. The Labour party have raped the tax-payer of this Country no end putting people on the edge. The Labour party in conjunction with the not required Unions have waved away thousands of jobs overseas, rendering many here jobless. The Labour party have allowed criminals to rule the roost with Britain now being less safe than America. The Labour party say they are listening yet we still wait for something positive. The Labour party have killed the NHS, insulted our elderly by poaching their pensions and exposed them as vulnerable when the winter period comes. Who the hell in their right mind says voting Labour is good for us?

Chris, Keighley says...
5:02pm Fri 25 Jul 08

Glasgow East, doesn't that tell you how popular this Government really are?

David Samuels, keighlwy says...
8:57pm Fri 25 Jul 08


Cllr David Samuels
1 Highcroft Gardens
Keighley
BD21 4UZ
Tel/Fax 01535 608427
Mobil 07795673833
Email: david.samuels@homeca
ll.co.uk
25th July 2008.


On behalf of myself and of my constituents in the Spring Gardens and Utley Ward (including Beechcliffe) may I state that I am appalled at the decision by the Airedale Hospital's managers to privatise the catering service at the hospital.
Not in any way a devotee of Anne Cryer, our Member of Parliament, or for that matter party politics in general I find that the policy formulated by the managers at Airedale to be perverse in the extreme and in that context agree with our Member of Parliament.
The privatisation of such a vital service in the context of health care will undeniably make a profit for the lucky private company who secures the mouth watering catering contract. Pious words of comfort from the hospital management are, in my view, spurious to say the least. The £1.6 million involved is peanuts in the context of the vast amount within the hospital budget. One wonders how much money was earned by the management and the consultants who dreamt up this outrage. Obviously such shameful facts will be kept under wraps until some bright person will endeavour, under the Freedom of Information Act, or seeks a Judicial Review on the subject as to the trust managers justification of handing over a profitable service to an profit making enterprise.
One would have thought the scandal of high prices for parking, handled by a private concern, a lesson in public relations disaster, would have knocked heads together at Airedale. The Primary Care Trust is to treat sick people, and by such definition, a vulnerable group, not to make this group a profit centre of excellence.
Shame on all those involved in this money making scheme! Sleep well!

Cllr David Samuels (Spring Gardens and Utley Ward) (including Beechcliffe)

sharp, skipton says...
6:47pm Sat 26 Jul 08

Sir
I am writing to warn your readers about the car clamping operators at Lawkholme Lane Car Park. After shopping in Keighley I returned to the car park. I happened to have exceeded the time on my ticket by 5 minutes. My car was already clamped and the operators making a note of my car details. Needless to say I had no success at pleading with them to show mercy. In fact I had to pay them £100 to release the clamp! I also noticed that the ticket machine was running 4 minutes fast. Even if I had arrived at the time on the ticket I would still have been clamped. Fortunately I was able to pay the excessive fee. Some people on low income just would not have that kind of money available. I have parked in this car park for many years. I suspect that the management has changed recently. There are threatening signs everywhere and fewer people parking there. I should have realized that it had been taken over by inflexible money grabbing clampers.
I think the way these car clamping companies operate is criminal and I can't believe society allows them to do so.
This experience has completely put me off shopping in Keighley, which is a shame because it still has some great shops and people.

Mr A.Sharp (Skipton)

Mark, Haworth says...
4:23pm Sun 27 Jul 08

sharp wrote:
Sir I am writing to warn your readers about the car clamping operators at Lawkholme Lane Car Park. After shopping in Keighley I returned to the car park. I happened to have exceeded the time on my ticket by 5 minutes. My car was already clamped and the operators making a note of my car details. Needless to say I had no success at pleading with them to show mercy. In fact I had to pay them £100 to release the clamp! I also noticed that the ticket machine was running 4 minutes fast. Even if I had arrived at the time on the ticket I would still have been clamped. Fortunately I was able to pay the excessive fee. Some people on low income just would not have that kind of money available. I have parked in this car park for many years. I suspect that the management has changed recently. There are threatening signs everywhere and fewer people parking there. I should have realized that it had been taken over by inflexible money grabbing clampers. I think the way these car clamping companies operate is criminal and I can't believe society allows them to do so. This experience has completely put me off shopping in Keighley, which is a shame because it still has some great shops and people. Mr A.Sharp (Skipton)
Next time don't be tight and pay for more than you think you require - or park in a car park where the payment is made as you leave.

I park in the multi-storey in Keighley daily and have yet to be clamped.

KeighleyExile, County Durham says...
10:27am Mon 28 Jul 08

If anyone deserves a state funeral then, for me at least, it has to be Harry Patch - Britain's "Last Tommy". His passing will mark the end of the First World War generation and it should be marked accordingly so that the whole nation can show its respect to Harry and his comrades, so many of whom, as we know, lie in foreign fields. Mind you (and as someone above already pointed out about Margaret Thatcher), he isn't dead yet either and long may he go on.

KeighleyExile, County Durham says...
10:40am Mon 28 Jul 08

Re: Police response is "Tosh":

Mrs.Cryer states that although the Police were called, they did not turn up until after the perpetrators were long gone. Well, that's unfortunate, yes, but I'm sure the officers won't have been supping tea in the station with their feet up at the time. They were probably chasing their tails from one high priority job to another throughout their entire shift, probably without getting any kind of break at all, as they will do practically every day. The fact is that there are not enough officers to do everything that needs to be done at the time when the public would like it done. The Police can't be everywhere at once. And as for people returning to pick up lead which has been "stashed", it is quite correct to say that it is extremely difficult to prove where it came from or that those collecting it stole it in the first place, which they will always deny, usually claiming to have just found it. You and I know this claim on their part is usually "tosh" but proving otherwise is nigh on impossible without some further evidence. The response of the Police was not "tosh".

peter, oxenhope says...
8:15pm Tue 29 Jul 08

Toppleover, I am puzzled as to why you support this lying, thieving, scheming, totalitarian, fascist, government?

David Samuels, Keighley says...
12:43pm Fri 8 Aug 08

We the undersigned wish to register our opposition to any private contractor providing a
catering service in Airedale Hospital. A public and full investigation of the facts must be
in the public interest and the true full cost must be examined without secrecy.


The above petition will be available from 11th Aug 2008. Please join in and knock on your friends, relatives doors and anybody else you think of that may need the services of Airedale Hospital. What is not needed is another privatization of the magnitude and disaster that privatization brought to the cleansing of British hospitals. Forget about your party political allegiances and please help, not only for yourself, but also others. Either print off your own petition or I can supply copies.

Cllr David Samuels. Spring Gardens and Utley Ward. (Including Beechcliffe) 01535 608427

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