Plea to Keighley Town Council to vote for smaller tax rise

Chairman of Keighley Town Council’s finance committee will urge councillors to vote in favour of a 2.66 per cent increase to the council’s precept for 2014/15.

Town council members are due to hammer out details of the budget for 2014/15 at their meeting in Keighley Town Hall this evening.

However, Councillor John Philip warned the 2.66 per cent figure was a “minority proposal”, which had not even been accepted by the finance committee.

He conceded: “Anything could happen on Thursday – it’s certainly going to be interesting.”

His recommended increase this year contrasts sharply with the council’s controversial decision for its 2013/14 precept, which it voted to put up by a record 72.6 per cent.

Late last year, Keighley’s mayor, Councillor Sally Walker, warned ratepayers to brace themselves for another severe impact on the precept for 2014/15 due to issues over which the council had “absolutely no control”.

She said the council was facing additional losses of up to £73,541 due to government financial changes and the demands imposed by the parishioners’ campaign group Cavetown Council.

However, Coun Philip said a modest 2.66 per cent precept rise would be enough to meet the council’s objectives.

“It takes care of everything the council needs to do for the financial year,” he added. “There is even £55,000 in this budget to pay for the external auditor investigation.

“If it wasn’t for that, the precept rise could have been zero, easily.”

Objections to Keighley Town Council’s 2012-13 accounts are currently the subject of an investigation by the council’s external auditor, London-based firm PKF Littlejohn.

Concerns brought to the auditors’ attention by Keighley residents have included allegations of unlawful grants and loans, omissions from the town council’s asset register, unlawful trading and failure to comply with financial regulations.

Coun Philip pointed out the £55,000 allocated to pay for the external audit could instead be used for 55 £1,000 Oak fund grants for local community projects, or for 220 £250 Acorn fund grants.

This evening’s town council meeting is due to start at 6.30pm.

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9:50am Thu 6 Feb 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

Sally Walker says-
"She said the council was facing additional losses of up to £73,541 due to government financial changes and the demands imposed by the parishioners’ campaign group Cavetown Council"

What a silly statement by someone who you would think should know better.
Cavetown has not imposed any demands on Keighley Town council other than they operate in a manner which is expected from a Town or Parish council.
To act in an open and transparent manner and to uphold their obligations of being accountable to the electorate.
If this is costing the council extra then it only goes to show what an underhand deceitful and unaccountable lot they are.

However, Coun Philip said a modest 2.66 per cent precept rise would be enough to meet the council’s objectives.

“It takes care of everything the council needs to do for the financial year,” he added. “There is even £55,000 in this budget to pay for the external auditor investigation.

“If it wasn’t for that, the precept rise could have been zero, easily.”

So what councillor Philp is saying is that the Precept has an allocation of £55,000 to pay for all the things which this council has failed to do correctly. 55 Grand to pay for ineptitude! What a disgrace.....


This is yet another week of KTC hitting the headlines in the Keighley News and once again it is for all the wrong reasons.
It seems easy for councillor Dicky Mitchell and Sally Walker to forget that it isn't just members of the Public who are in Cavetown who are concerned ab out their behaviour, you have ex Tenants, serving councillors, 1500plussignatures on a petition, Kris Hopkins MP, Eric Pickles MP, Brandon Lewis MP, the External Auditors, The ICO and others who are all taking an interest in the dealings of this wayward council.
Stop trying to blame Cavetown councillors, it really doesn't help your situation one bit.
Sally Walker says- "She said the council was facing additional losses of up to £73,541 due to government financial changes and the demands imposed by the parishioners’ campaign group Cavetown Council" What a silly statement by someone who you would think should know better. Cavetown has not imposed any demands on Keighley Town council other than they operate in a manner which is expected from a Town or Parish council. To act in an open and transparent manner and to uphold their obligations of being accountable to the electorate. If this is costing the council extra then it only goes to show what an underhand deceitful and unaccountable lot they are. However, Coun Philip said a modest 2.66 per cent precept rise would be enough to meet the council’s objectives. “It takes care of everything the council needs to do for the financial year,” he added. “There is even £55,000 in this budget to pay for the external auditor investigation. “If it wasn’t for that, the precept rise could have been zero, easily.” So what councillor Philp is saying is that the Precept has an allocation of £55,000 to pay for all the things which this council has failed to do correctly. 55 Grand to pay for ineptitude! What a disgrace..... This is yet another week of KTC hitting the headlines in the Keighley News and once again it is for all the wrong reasons. It seems easy for councillor Dicky Mitchell and Sally Walker to forget that it isn't just members of the Public who are in Cavetown who are concerned ab out their behaviour, you have ex Tenants, serving councillors, 1500plussignatures on a petition, Kris Hopkins MP, Eric Pickles MP, Brandon Lewis MP, the External Auditors, The ICO and others who are all taking an interest in the dealings of this wayward council. Stop trying to blame Cavetown councillors, it really doesn't help your situation one bit. Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 10

10:15am Thu 6 Feb 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

There is a great comment from Kris Hopkins Mp in another article fromn this weeks Keighley News-
Mr Hopkins said: “Any public body spending taxpayers’ money responsibly has nothing to fear, and should welcome more light being shone on its decision-making.

“But those councils and other institutions, which are being reckless or evasive, will be made more accountable than ever before.”

Wile his comments were made on the subject of Filming council meetings they are equally as poignant in the issue of the Investigation from the External Auditors.
If there was nothing to investigate then the council would not need to set aside a portion of Tax Payers Money to pay for it's own incompetence.
There is a great comment from Kris Hopkins Mp in another article fromn this weeks Keighley News- Mr Hopkins said: “Any public body spending taxpayers’ money responsibly has nothing to fear, and should welcome more light being shone on its decision-making. “But those councils and other institutions, which are being reckless or evasive, will be made more accountable than ever before.” Wile his comments were made on the subject of Filming council meetings they are equally as poignant in the issue of the Investigation from the External Auditors. If there was nothing to investigate then the council would not need to set aside a portion of Tax Payers Money to pay for it's own incompetence. Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 9

10:16am Thu 6 Feb 14

Kingchaser says...

Here we go again.
Here we go again. Kingchaser
  • Score: -10

10:17am Thu 6 Feb 14

Kingchaser says...

Poignant.....or perhaps he meant pertinent?
Poignant.....or perhaps he meant pertinent? Kingchaser
  • Score: -11

10:49am Thu 6 Feb 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

Let's look at some of the comments from councillor Dicky Mitchell from last week for a moment-
"Or is it because ‘Cave Towners’ are not really interested in becoming councillors at all, because their basic policy, as originally stated, is still “to sweep away this town council” and to put Keighley back under total control from Bradford?"

Well Dicky, let me tell you an important fact here- other than the running of the Allotments Keighley is under the Total control of Bradford.
All that KTC has done for the Town is take in excess of 600 grand out of Parishioners pockets to fund it's own ego. Other than pay for expenses for councillors, staff wages and the foolish venture of the Civic Centre Dicky, a mere 12% of this vast amount of money goes back into the community.
Not very efficient councillor is it?

As for "sweep away the council", now you are just making things up again Richard.
The aim and purpose of Cavetown is and always has been, to make Keighley Town council more Transparent and Open. To do this Cavetown has followed the legal avenues open to it and adhered to the Government Legislation which stated that the council is responsible to the Electorate.

How things have changed in a year little Dicky!

To suggest you are somehow running things in Keighley instead of Bradford only goes to show what an over inflated Ego you have.
It also goes to show the lack of understanding of what your position actually is Dicky Mitchell.
A point which was glaringly obvious in an email from you I received last year in which you stated
"As I am not a public servant, but a Member of Keighley Town Council"

What a misguided Public Servant you are councillor. One which very shortly will be brought back down to Earth with a very big bump!
Tick Tock
Let's look at some of the comments from councillor Dicky Mitchell from last week for a moment- "Or is it because ‘Cave Towners’ are not really interested in becoming councillors at all, because their basic policy, as originally stated, is still “to sweep away this town council” and to put Keighley back under total control from Bradford?" Well Dicky, let me tell you an important fact here- other than the running of the Allotments Keighley is under the Total control of Bradford. All that KTC has done for the Town is take in excess of 600 grand out of Parishioners pockets to fund it's own ego. Other than pay for expenses for councillors, staff wages and the foolish venture of the Civic Centre Dicky, a mere 12% of this vast amount of money goes back into the community. Not very efficient councillor is it? As for "sweep away the council", now you are just making things up again Richard. The aim and purpose of Cavetown is and always has been, to make Keighley Town council more Transparent and Open. To do this Cavetown has followed the legal avenues open to it and adhered to the Government Legislation which stated that the council is responsible to the Electorate. How things have changed in a year little Dicky! To suggest you are somehow running things in Keighley instead of Bradford only goes to show what an over inflated Ego you have. It also goes to show the lack of understanding of what your position actually is Dicky Mitchell. A point which was glaringly obvious in an email from you I received last year in which you stated "As I am not a public servant, but a Member of Keighley Town Council" What a misguided Public Servant you are councillor. One which very shortly will be brought back down to Earth with a very big bump! Tick Tock Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 11

11:06am Thu 6 Feb 14

Ian-Holt Roberts says...

Always a 708 Skinhead wrote:
Let's look at some of the comments from councillor Dicky Mitchell from last week for a moment-
"Or is it because ‘Cave Towners’ are not really interested in becoming councillors at all, because their basic policy, as originally stated, is still “to sweep away this town council” and to put Keighley back under total control from Bradford?"

Well Dicky, let me tell you an important fact here- other than the running of the Allotments Keighley is under the Total control of Bradford.
All that KTC has done for the Town is take in excess of 600 grand out of Parishioners pockets to fund it's own ego. Other than pay for expenses for councillors, staff wages and the foolish venture of the Civic Centre Dicky, a mere 12% of this vast amount of money goes back into the community.
Not very efficient councillor is it?

As for "sweep away the council", now you are just making things up again Richard.
The aim and purpose of Cavetown is and always has been, to make Keighley Town council more Transparent and Open. To do this Cavetown has followed the legal avenues open to it and adhered to the Government Legislation which stated that the council is responsible to the Electorate.

How things have changed in a year little Dicky!

To suggest you are somehow running things in Keighley instead of Bradford only goes to show what an over inflated Ego you have.
It also goes to show the lack of understanding of what your position actually is Dicky Mitchell.
A point which was glaringly obvious in an email from you I received last year in which you stated
"As I am not a public servant, but a Member of Keighley Town Council"

What a misguided Public Servant you are councillor. One which very shortly will be brought back down to Earth with a very big bump!
Tick Tock
I have to agree with every thing you have said but would add one thing I really believe that having a mayor in this parish council is a mistake ,this cover ted position is most sought after but for the wrong reasons and should be scrapped
[quote][p][bold]Always a 708 Skinhead[/bold] wrote: Let's look at some of the comments from councillor Dicky Mitchell from last week for a moment- "Or is it because ‘Cave Towners’ are not really interested in becoming councillors at all, because their basic policy, as originally stated, is still “to sweep away this town council” and to put Keighley back under total control from Bradford?" Well Dicky, let me tell you an important fact here- other than the running of the Allotments Keighley is under the Total control of Bradford. All that KTC has done for the Town is take in excess of 600 grand out of Parishioners pockets to fund it's own ego. Other than pay for expenses for councillors, staff wages and the foolish venture of the Civic Centre Dicky, a mere 12% of this vast amount of money goes back into the community. Not very efficient councillor is it? As for "sweep away the council", now you are just making things up again Richard. The aim and purpose of Cavetown is and always has been, to make Keighley Town council more Transparent and Open. To do this Cavetown has followed the legal avenues open to it and adhered to the Government Legislation which stated that the council is responsible to the Electorate. How things have changed in a year little Dicky! To suggest you are somehow running things in Keighley instead of Bradford only goes to show what an over inflated Ego you have. It also goes to show the lack of understanding of what your position actually is Dicky Mitchell. A point which was glaringly obvious in an email from you I received last year in which you stated "As I am not a public servant, but a Member of Keighley Town Council" What a misguided Public Servant you are councillor. One which very shortly will be brought back down to Earth with a very big bump! Tick Tock[/p][/quote]I have to agree with every thing you have said but would add one thing I really believe that having a mayor in this parish council is a mistake ,this cover ted position is most sought after but for the wrong reasons and should be scrapped Ian-Holt Roberts
  • Score: 10

11:10am Thu 6 Feb 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

Ian Holt Roberts,
You can't have a mayor in a Parish council... But if you give it the grander, more important sounding title of Town council you can. Not much else that is different between a Town or Parish council so perhaps you are right. Get rid of the mayor and let's call it Keighley Parish council.
Ian Holt Roberts, You can't have a mayor in a Parish council... But if you give it the grander, more important sounding title of Town council you can. Not much else that is different between a Town or Parish council so perhaps you are right. Get rid of the mayor and let's call it Keighley Parish council. Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 10

11:36am Thu 6 Feb 14

Kingchaser says...

A 'cover ted position' !

Oh, my word!

Sometimes the Cavedowners become caveclowners and give me a laugh.
A 'cover ted position' ! Oh, my word! Sometimes the Cavedowners become caveclowners and give me a laugh. Kingchaser
  • Score: -8

11:37am Thu 6 Feb 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

In response to a Freedom of Information Request I placed with BDMC in December I have received the following information-

the funding from BDMC to support KTC this year will be Keighley Town Council for example will receive £117,703, an increase of
£10,183, This is because the number of residents actually receiving
Council Tax Support is higher than what the Council estimated in 2013-14.

Perhaps it isn't wise to bite the hand that feeds you councillor Dicky Mitchell, after all, without this very large amount of funding from Bradford, one which is increased by over £10,000 from last year, how far up the creek and how far away would your paddle be right now?
In response to a Freedom of Information Request I placed with BDMC in December I have received the following information- the funding from BDMC to support KTC this year will be Keighley Town Council for example will receive £117,703, an increase of £10,183, This is because the number of residents actually receiving Council Tax Support is higher than what the Council estimated in 2013-14. Perhaps it isn't wise to bite the hand that feeds you councillor Dicky Mitchell, after all, without this very large amount of funding from Bradford, one which is increased by over £10,000 from last year, how far up the creek and how far away would your paddle be right now? Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 10

3:20pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Katiery says...

I agree Simon. When I read the comment from Mr Mitchell about 'sweep away this town council and put Keighley back under total control of Bradford', I too was confused. Other than the allotments which they seem to want to sell off and grit bins, I too couldn't think of anything else that KTC were in control of.

Not really a devastation to Keighley if it happens and we may retain an allotment or two, so it could be a plus!
I agree Simon. When I read the comment from Mr Mitchell about 'sweep away this town council and put Keighley back under total control of Bradford', I too was confused. Other than the allotments which they seem to want to sell off and grit bins, I too couldn't think of anything else that KTC were in control of. Not really a devastation to Keighley if it happens and we may retain an allotment or two, so it could be a plus! Katiery
  • Score: 10

5:38pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Gobbag Vooar says...

Katiery wrote:
I agree Simon. When I read the comment from Mr Mitchell about 'sweep away this town council and put Keighley back under total control of Bradford', I too was confused. Other than the allotments which they seem to want to sell off and grit bins, I too couldn't think of anything else that KTC were in control of.

Not really a devastation to Keighley if it happens and we may retain an allotment or two, so it could be a plus!
Maybe if these amateurs got their egos under control it would cost us less money.
Yes, I did read Councillor Mitchells letter last week, having a dig at those who pay for this council, and it's reckless decisions.

Contempt of the highest order for those who pick up the tab.
[quote][p][bold]Katiery[/bold] wrote: I agree Simon. When I read the comment from Mr Mitchell about 'sweep away this town council and put Keighley back under total control of Bradford', I too was confused. Other than the allotments which they seem to want to sell off and grit bins, I too couldn't think of anything else that KTC were in control of. Not really a devastation to Keighley if it happens and we may retain an allotment or two, so it could be a plus![/p][/quote]Maybe if these amateurs got their egos under control it would cost us less money. Yes, I did read Councillor Mitchells letter last week, having a dig at those who pay for this council, and it's reckless decisions. Contempt of the highest order for those who pick up the tab. Gobbag Vooar
  • Score: 10

6:45am Fri 7 Feb 14

Little Green Man says...

Cavedwellers managed a whole week without posting - I'm suprised you all didn't burst with pent up mock outrage and righteous indignation!
Cavedwellers managed a whole week without posting - I'm suprised you all didn't burst with pent up mock outrage and righteous indignation! Little Green Man
  • Score: -4

7:05am Fri 7 Feb 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

I understand that KTC last night voted to approve a Precept rise of just under 2%.
Taking into account that the council is at the moment absolutely clueless about it's actual Financial position, that the councils own Budget procedure has not been followed to produce the amounts which have been put forward and that there are over 50 issues which are still to be resolved by the External Auditors from the previous accounts, I really am amazed that they managed to reach an amount to increase the precept by at all.
Of course it is glaringly obvious that by keeping the amount to just below 2% the council has played it safe and made sure that it is below the level which would require a referendum if Town and Parish councils were held to the same cap as District Councils.
They are obviously well aware that much of the talk on this subject has included the issue of addressing any excessive increases retrospectively.
At least this is one positive thing we can say about KTC- they are beginning to realise that they are not above the Law and that someone in the hierarchy has finally had a look in a dictionary and explained to the others what the word Accountability actually means.
Obviously Transparency will take a little longer for them to find as it begins with "T" and it seems they haven't even reached the 'B's yet because they clearly don't know the meaning of the word Budget.
I understand that KTC last night voted to approve a Precept rise of just under 2%. Taking into account that the council is at the moment absolutely clueless about it's actual Financial position, that the councils own Budget procedure has not been followed to produce the amounts which have been put forward and that there are over 50 issues which are still to be resolved by the External Auditors from the previous accounts, I really am amazed that they managed to reach an amount to increase the precept by at all. Of course it is glaringly obvious that by keeping the amount to just below 2% the council has played it safe and made sure that it is below the level which would require a referendum if Town and Parish councils were held to the same cap as District Councils. They are obviously well aware that much of the talk on this subject has included the issue of addressing any excessive increases retrospectively. At least this is one positive thing we can say about KTC- they are beginning to realise that they are not above the Law and that someone in the hierarchy has finally had a look in a dictionary and explained to the others what the word Accountability actually means. Obviously Transparency will take a little longer for them to find as it begins with "T" and it seems they haven't even reached the 'B's yet because they clearly don't know the meaning of the word Budget. Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 6

8:34am Fri 7 Feb 14

Graham Forsyth says...

Cllr Philip.

“It takes care of everything the council needs to do for the financial year,” he added. “There is even £55,000 in this budget to pay for the external auditor investigation.
“If it wasn’t for that, the precept rise could have been zero, easily.”

Exactly Cllr Philip, if it had not been for KTC being mismanaged there would have been no need for the external auditors investigation, which would have saved the given £30,000 - £50,000. And if there had been no KTC ambitious civic centre project there would have been no need for a 72.6% precept hike,a civic centre deficit for financial year ending 2012/13 of over £250,000, nor another possible £179,534 civic centre deficit for financial year ending 2013/14, or the £265,184.00 total spending on the civic centre, according to your budget for 2014/15.


So lets do a quick addition from 2012, the time of the royal opening of the civic centre.

2012/13 = £250,000
2013/14 = £179, 534
2014/15 = £ 265,184
Total = £694,718

Add on the cost for the audit
Audit = £50,000
Plus £694,718
Total = £744,718

What would the precept levels have been without these unnecessary costs ?

And cllr Sally Walker.

“Late last year, Keighley’s mayor, Councillor Sally Walker, warned ratepayers to brace themselves for another severe impact on the precept for 2014/15 due to issues over which the council had “absolutely no control”.
She said the council was facing additional losses of up to £73,541 due to government financial changes and the demands imposed by the parishioners’ campaign group Cavetown Council.”

May we ask cllr Sally Walker if KTC is not in charge of the civic centre and council finances and governance, then who is which make it that KTC has “absolutely no control” over these issues?

Tick Tock
Cllr Philip. “It takes care of everything the council needs to do for the financial year,” he added. “There is even £55,000 in this budget to pay for the external auditor investigation. “If it wasn’t for that, the precept rise could have been zero, easily.” Exactly Cllr Philip, if it had not been for KTC being mismanaged there would have been no need for the external auditors investigation, which would have saved the given £30,000 - £50,000. And if there had been no KTC ambitious civic centre project there would have been no need for a 72.6% precept hike,a civic centre deficit for financial year ending 2012/13 of over £250,000, nor another possible £179,534 civic centre deficit for financial year ending 2013/14, or the £265,184.00 total spending on the civic centre, according to your budget for 2014/15. So lets do a quick addition from 2012, the time of the royal opening of the civic centre. 2012/13 = £250,000 2013/14 = £179, 534 2014/15 = £ 265,184 Total = £694,718 Add on the cost for the audit Audit = £50,000 Plus £694,718 Total = £744,718 What would the precept levels have been without these unnecessary costs ? And cllr Sally Walker. “Late last year, Keighley’s mayor, Councillor Sally Walker, warned ratepayers to brace themselves for another severe impact on the precept for 2014/15 due to issues over which the council had “absolutely no control”. She said the council was facing additional losses of up to £73,541 due to government financial changes and the demands imposed by the parishioners’ campaign group Cavetown Council.” May we ask cllr Sally Walker if KTC is not in charge of the civic centre and council finances and governance, then who is which make it that KTC has “absolutely no control” over these issues? Tick Tock Graham Forsyth
  • Score: 8

9:18am Fri 7 Feb 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

It seems to me that KTC just pluck figures out of thin air when it comes to setting Precepts and Budgets for the council.
Take for instance this statement-
from the Keighley News 19th Dec 2013.

Mayor Sally Walker states
" Bradford District Council has agreed to pass down funding, but
will make a 20 per cent reduction, equating to a loss of £23,541 to
Keighley Town Council.

Now consider the response I received f to an FOI from BDMC regarding this statement-

"Keighley Town Council for example will receive £117,703, an increase of
£10,183."

So where are KTC and the mayor getting their figures from?

What was stated in the press as reduction of £23,541 is in actuality an increase of £10,183 so the actual discrepancy in the overall amount when preparing the Budget equates to £33,724 in the KTC's favour.

Considering that councillor Philip is quoted as saying-
"“There is even £55,000 in this budget to pay for the external auditor investigation.
“If it wasn’t for that, the precept rise could have been zero, easily.”

Well there's 30 odd grand that you didn't consider in your Budget councillor Philip. Unless of course you have considered it and the words of mayor Silly Walker were just complete nonsense.

As for the Precept easily being zero, well that should be the case for years to come councillor Philip. After bludgeoning the Public with last years 72.6% to support the failure of the Civic Centre, your council should have more than enough money to start giving back to the community.
It seems to me that KTC just pluck figures out of thin air when it comes to setting Precepts and Budgets for the council. Take for instance this statement- from the Keighley News 19th Dec 2013. Mayor Sally Walker states " Bradford District Council has agreed to pass down funding, but will make a 20 per cent reduction, equating to a loss of £23,541 to Keighley Town Council. Now consider the response I received f to an FOI from BDMC regarding this statement- "Keighley Town Council for example will receive £117,703, an increase of £10,183." So where are KTC and the mayor getting their figures from? What was stated in the press as reduction of £23,541 is in actuality an increase of £10,183 so the actual discrepancy in the overall amount when preparing the Budget equates to £33,724 in the KTC's favour. Considering that councillor Philip is quoted as saying- "“There is even £55,000 in this budget to pay for the external auditor investigation. “If it wasn’t for that, the precept rise could have been zero, easily.” Well there's 30 odd grand that you didn't consider in your Budget councillor Philip. Unless of course you have considered it and the words of mayor Silly Walker were just complete nonsense. As for the Precept easily being zero, well that should be the case for years to come councillor Philip. After bludgeoning the Public with last years 72.6% to support the failure of the Civic Centre, your council should have more than enough money to start giving back to the community. Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 7

9:49am Fri 7 Feb 14

Katiery says...

Whilst the outcome is an increase it is not the huge amount that was initially proposed. This, I am sure, is mainly due to Cavetown being as vigilant and vocal as they have been in making the public aware of the way KTC operates.

Legislation now in place will ensure that future precept rises are also minimum without KTC holding a public review. Al in all this is a plus.

As no councillor from KTC reads these posts - or if they do they have nothing of value to add - I will now be interested in the findings of the external auditors. I would like to thank Cavetown Council - and other contributors - for being a vigilant and constant overseer of public spending.
Whilst the outcome is an increase it is not the huge amount that was initially proposed. This, I am sure, is mainly due to Cavetown being as vigilant and vocal as they have been in making the public aware of the way KTC operates. Legislation now in place will ensure that future precept rises are also minimum without KTC holding a public review. Al in all this is a plus. As no councillor from KTC reads these posts - or if they do they have nothing of value to add - I will now be interested in the findings of the external auditors. I would like to thank Cavetown Council - and other contributors - for being a vigilant and constant overseer of public spending. Katiery
  • Score: 7

10:14am Fri 7 Feb 14

Gobbag Vooar says...

Cavetown are being blamed for every malady of this dysfunctional council Katiery, but if you attend their meetings as I have done recently, this council need no help from Cavetown , they seem to have pressed " The Self Destruction Button. "
They have no idea how to correct themselves, although remedial solutions stare them point blank in the face, that does surprise me.
I believe if Lord Sugar came along and offered to steer them clear, they would turn his offer down, just as they did to the M.P. and I am sure, being in their own interests, District Councillors in this town would help out, whatever their respective party.
Cavetown are being blamed for every malady of this dysfunctional council Katiery, but if you attend their meetings as I have done recently, this council need no help from Cavetown , they seem to have pressed " The Self Destruction Button. " They have no idea how to correct themselves, although remedial solutions stare them point blank in the face, that does surprise me. I believe if Lord Sugar came along and offered to steer them clear, they would turn his offer down, just as they did to the M.P. and I am sure, being in their own interests, District Councillors in this town would help out, whatever their respective party. Gobbag Vooar
  • Score: 5

10:23am Fri 7 Feb 14

OUT WITH CAVETOWN says...

Skin pontificates
"My predictions for 'mid march at the latest' are an increase in excess of 47% taking the amount extracted from the People of the Town to exceed the £1 million figure"

Reality 1.79%
The latest increase means households in the benchmark band D category will pay £42.69 for the coming financial year - 75 pence more than last year.
Most Keighley homes will pay less, as they fall within the cheaper A, B and C bands.
Skin pontificates "My predictions for 'mid march at the latest' are an increase in excess of 47% taking the amount extracted from the People of the Town to exceed the £1 million figure" Reality 1.79% The latest increase means households in the benchmark band D category will pay £42.69 for the coming financial year - 75 pence more than last year. Most Keighley homes will pay less, as they fall within the cheaper A, B and C bands. OUT WITH CAVETOWN
  • Score: -4

10:25am Fri 7 Feb 14

Katiery says...

Given that Cllr. Mitchell seems to think that KTC supply every service in Keighley and that they are far more important than they actually are, I agree with you Gobbag Vooar. All they have is one responsibility and a very overpriced admin system.

To date I have had one response to the emailed letter I sent to four KT councillors. The other three couldn't even manage an acknowledgement. As one or two are co-opted rather than elected this may explain why they do not feel that we, the public, have any right to question them, but it is a very poor performance from people who are 'here to serve you' as it states on the website. We are paying a lot of money to be ignored.
Given that Cllr. Mitchell seems to think that KTC supply every service in Keighley and that they are far more important than they actually are, I agree with you Gobbag Vooar. All they have is one responsibility and a very overpriced admin system. To date I have had one response to the emailed letter I sent to four KT councillors. The other three couldn't even manage an acknowledgement. As one or two are co-opted rather than elected this may explain why they do not feel that we, the public, have any right to question them, but it is a very poor performance from people who are 'here to serve you' as it states on the website. We are paying a lot of money to be ignored. Katiery
  • Score: 3

10:31am Fri 7 Feb 14

Katiery says...

OUT WITH CAVETOWN wrote:
Skin pontificates
"My predictions for 'mid march at the latest' are an increase in excess of 47% taking the amount extracted from the People of the Town to exceed the £1 million figure"

Reality 1.79%
The latest increase means households in the benchmark band D category will pay £42.69 for the coming financial year - 75 pence more than last year.
Most Keighley homes will pay less, as they fall within the cheaper A, B and C bands.
So £42.69 is nothing? We should be delighted that we pay this for a council that sells off our assets and ignores precept payers?

You seem to have Cllr. Mitchell's attitude of 'it's less than a second class stamp so what's all the fuss about'. I am NOT happy paying anything at all towards a council that cannot even manage to get all councillors to turn up at meetings without a push. Cannot be bothered to respond to letters and cannot manage their accounts correctly.

Most people are not fooled by the '75pence being nothing' statement. 75p multiplied by all the homes in Keighley is a large amount, more wasted money. I'm sure councillors will now publicly pontificate, it's about all they can manage to do unaided!
[quote][p][bold]OUT WITH CAVETOWN[/bold] wrote: Skin pontificates "My predictions for 'mid march at the latest' are an increase in excess of 47% taking the amount extracted from the People of the Town to exceed the £1 million figure" Reality 1.79% The latest increase means households in the benchmark band D category will pay £42.69 for the coming financial year - 75 pence more than last year. Most Keighley homes will pay less, as they fall within the cheaper A, B and C bands.[/p][/quote]So £42.69 is nothing? We should be delighted that we pay this for a council that sells off our assets and ignores precept payers? You seem to have Cllr. Mitchell's attitude of 'it's less than a second class stamp so what's all the fuss about'. I am NOT happy paying anything at all towards a council that cannot even manage to get all councillors to turn up at meetings without a push. Cannot be bothered to respond to letters and cannot manage their accounts correctly. Most people are not fooled by the '75pence being nothing' statement. 75p multiplied by all the homes in Keighley is a large amount, more wasted money. I'm sure councillors will now publicly pontificate, it's about all they can manage to do unaided! Katiery
  • Score: 1

11:13am Fri 7 Feb 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

OUT WITH CAVETOWN wrote:
Skin pontificates
"My predictions for 'mid march at the latest' are an increase in excess of 47% taking the amount extracted from the People of the Town to exceed the £1 million figure"

Reality 1.79%
The latest increase means households in the benchmark band D category will pay £42.69 for the coming financial year - 75 pence more than last year.
Most Keighley homes will pay less, as they fall within the cheaper A, B and C bands.
You raise an interesting point Out with Cavetown.
Keighley Town Council Band D Precept for 2012- 2013= £24.30 2013- 2014 =£41.94 An increase of 72.59%

Lets put this in comparison with other Parishes under Bradford for the same Financial Periods.
Lets start with the next highest-
Steeton with Eastburn Parish Council 2012- 2013= £17.88 2013- 2014 =£28.75 An increase of 60.79%

And now the lowest-
Wrose Parish Council 2012- 2013= £7.50 2013- 2014 =£7.50 An increase of 0.00%

So what does this tell us Out with Cavetown?
Apart from the fact that last year the People of Keighley paid the largest amount of money for the burden/luxury of having a Parish Council, it tells us that they were paying £13.19 more than the People in the next highest Parish and a massive £34.44 than the People with the lowest amount of Precept in the District.

My question is this Out with Cavetown- As all Town and Parish Council have essentially the same duties and responsibilities so therefore should all be able to manage their finances within a reasonable tolerance level of each other, why is it that Keighley Town council was charging the highest level in 2012- 2013, had the largest percentage increase for 2013- 2014, takes by far the largest amount of money from the electorate of any of the Parishes,
£504,787 by Keighley as opposed to
£126,600 by Ilkley
and yet still has the need to increase it's Precept this Year?

75 pence more than last year Out with Cavetown? It should be tens of pounds less than last year if this council wasn't so inept and incompetent.

As for my predicitions OWC-, these were based on the statement of the mayor Silly Walker who warned the People of Keighley to Brace themselves for another record breaking Precept Hike.
That her scaremongering has now been proven to be yet another false and misleading statement from KTC only highlights the lack of Openness and Transparency long with the Financial Incompetence that emanates from KTC so thankyou for reminding us of this.
Tick Tock
Skinhead
[quote][p][bold]OUT WITH CAVETOWN[/bold] wrote: Skin pontificates "My predictions for 'mid march at the latest' are an increase in excess of 47% taking the amount extracted from the People of the Town to exceed the £1 million figure" Reality 1.79% The latest increase means households in the benchmark band D category will pay £42.69 for the coming financial year - 75 pence more than last year. Most Keighley homes will pay less, as they fall within the cheaper A, B and C bands.[/p][/quote]You raise an interesting point Out with Cavetown. Keighley Town Council Band D Precept for 2012- 2013= £24.30 2013- 2014 =£41.94 An increase of 72.59% Lets put this in comparison with other Parishes under Bradford for the same Financial Periods. Lets start with the next highest- Steeton with Eastburn Parish Council 2012- 2013= £17.88 2013- 2014 =£28.75 An increase of 60.79% And now the lowest- Wrose Parish Council 2012- 2013= £7.50 2013- 2014 =£7.50 An increase of 0.00% So what does this tell us Out with Cavetown? Apart from the fact that last year the People of Keighley paid the largest amount of money for the burden/luxury of having a Parish Council, it tells us that they were paying £13.19 more than the People in the next highest Parish and a massive £34.44 than the People with the lowest amount of Precept in the District. My question is this Out with Cavetown- As all Town and Parish Council have essentially the same duties and responsibilities so therefore should all be able to manage their finances within a reasonable tolerance level of each other, why is it that Keighley Town council was charging the highest level in 2012- 2013, had the largest percentage increase for 2013- 2014, takes by far the largest amount of money from the electorate of any of the Parishes, £504,787 by Keighley as opposed to £126,600 by Ilkley and yet still has the need to increase it's Precept this Year? 75 pence more than last year Out with Cavetown? It should be tens of pounds less than last year if this council wasn't so inept and incompetent. As for my predicitions OWC-, these were based on the statement of the mayor Silly Walker who warned the People of Keighley to Brace themselves for another record breaking Precept Hike. That her scaremongering has now been proven to be yet another false and misleading statement from KTC only highlights the lack of Openness and Transparency long with the Financial Incompetence that emanates from KTC so thankyou for reminding us of this. Tick Tock Skinhead Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 5

12:17pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Gobbag Vooar says...

OUT WITH CAVETOWN.

Well I suppose that we had better give him some credit, this is the first fact that he has ever come up with, bet that took some doing, and just out of interest, we all know who he is.
Outstanding performance last at last nights meeting, hope that he is on film.
OUT WITH CAVETOWN. Well I suppose that we had better give him some credit, this is the first fact that he has ever come up with, bet that took some doing, and just out of interest, we all know who he is. Outstanding performance last at last nights meeting, hope that he is on film. Gobbag Vooar
  • Score: 3

12:36pm Fri 7 Feb 14

OUT WITH CAVETOWN says...

Always a 708 Skinhead wrote:
OUT WITH CAVETOWN wrote:
Skin pontificates
"My predictions for 'mid march at the latest' are an increase in excess of 47% taking the amount extracted from the People of the Town to exceed the £1 million figure"

Reality 1.79%
The latest increase means households in the benchmark band D category will pay £42.69 for the coming financial year - 75 pence more than last year.
Most Keighley homes will pay less, as they fall within the cheaper A, B and C bands.
You raise an interesting point Out with Cavetown.
Keighley Town Council Band D Precept for 2012- 2013= £24.30 2013- 2014 =£41.94 An increase of 72.59%

Lets put this in comparison with other Parishes under Bradford for the same Financial Periods.
Lets start with the next highest-
Steeton with Eastburn Parish Council 2012- 2013= £17.88 2013- 2014 =£28.75 An increase of 60.79%

And now the lowest-
Wrose Parish Council 2012- 2013= £7.50 2013- 2014 =£7.50 An increase of 0.00%

So what does this tell us Out with Cavetown?
Apart from the fact that last year the People of Keighley paid the largest amount of money for the burden/luxury of having a Parish Council, it tells us that they were paying £13.19 more than the People in the next highest Parish and a massive £34.44 than the People with the lowest amount of Precept in the District.

My question is this Out with Cavetown- As all Town and Parish Council have essentially the same duties and responsibilities so therefore should all be able to manage their finances within a reasonable tolerance level of each other, why is it that Keighley Town council was charging the highest level in 2012- 2013, had the largest percentage increase for 2013- 2014, takes by far the largest amount of money from the electorate of any of the Parishes,
£504,787 by Keighley as opposed to
£126,600 by Ilkley
and yet still has the need to increase it's Precept this Year?

75 pence more than last year Out with Cavetown? It should be tens of pounds less than last year if this council wasn't so inept and incompetent.

As for my predicitions OWC-, these were based on the statement of the mayor Silly Walker who warned the People of Keighley to Brace themselves for another record breaking Precept Hike.
That her scaremongering has now been proven to be yet another false and misleading statement from KTC only highlights the lack of Openness and Transparency long with the Financial Incompetence that emanates from KTC so thankyou for reminding us of this.
Tick Tock
Skinhead
Thanks for a courteous reply Skin a refreshing change from the usual childish insults.
You state Mrs Walker was scaremongering with her Precept warning ,
but then you made a prediction of 47% confabulation ?.
[quote][p][bold]Always a 708 Skinhead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OUT WITH CAVETOWN[/bold] wrote: Skin pontificates "My predictions for 'mid march at the latest' are an increase in excess of 47% taking the amount extracted from the People of the Town to exceed the £1 million figure" Reality 1.79% The latest increase means households in the benchmark band D category will pay £42.69 for the coming financial year - 75 pence more than last year. Most Keighley homes will pay less, as they fall within the cheaper A, B and C bands.[/p][/quote]You raise an interesting point Out with Cavetown. Keighley Town Council Band D Precept for 2012- 2013= £24.30 2013- 2014 =£41.94 An increase of 72.59% Lets put this in comparison with other Parishes under Bradford for the same Financial Periods. Lets start with the next highest- Steeton with Eastburn Parish Council 2012- 2013= £17.88 2013- 2014 =£28.75 An increase of 60.79% And now the lowest- Wrose Parish Council 2012- 2013= £7.50 2013- 2014 =£7.50 An increase of 0.00% So what does this tell us Out with Cavetown? Apart from the fact that last year the People of Keighley paid the largest amount of money for the burden/luxury of having a Parish Council, it tells us that they were paying £13.19 more than the People in the next highest Parish and a massive £34.44 than the People with the lowest amount of Precept in the District. My question is this Out with Cavetown- As all Town and Parish Council have essentially the same duties and responsibilities so therefore should all be able to manage their finances within a reasonable tolerance level of each other, why is it that Keighley Town council was charging the highest level in 2012- 2013, had the largest percentage increase for 2013- 2014, takes by far the largest amount of money from the electorate of any of the Parishes, £504,787 by Keighley as opposed to £126,600 by Ilkley and yet still has the need to increase it's Precept this Year? 75 pence more than last year Out with Cavetown? It should be tens of pounds less than last year if this council wasn't so inept and incompetent. As for my predicitions OWC-, these were based on the statement of the mayor Silly Walker who warned the People of Keighley to Brace themselves for another record breaking Precept Hike. That her scaremongering has now been proven to be yet another false and misleading statement from KTC only highlights the lack of Openness and Transparency long with the Financial Incompetence that emanates from KTC so thankyou for reminding us of this. Tick Tock Skinhead[/p][/quote]Thanks for a courteous reply Skin a refreshing change from the usual childish insults. You state Mrs Walker was scaremongering with her Precept warning , but then you made a prediction of 47% confabulation ?. OUT WITH CAVETOWN
  • Score: -1

1:08pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Katiery says...

Cllr. Walker is someone who should have a slight clue as to the inner workings of KTC and the possible amount of precept rise that is being considered. She made her views of a large (over 70%) precept rise public via the Keighley News. Simon is not a member of KTC and made his views known via this forum and a Facebook page. Hardly comparable.

I'm not sure if Cllr. Walker was scaremongering or just determined that she would put her twopennorth about Cavetown out in public. It backfired, people were not terrified that Cavetown had cost a fortune, they were more concerned about where the fortune KTC already had control of was being wasted.
Cllr. Walker is someone who should have a slight clue as to the inner workings of KTC and the possible amount of precept rise that is being considered. She made her views of a large (over 70%) precept rise public via the Keighley News. Simon is not a member of KTC and made his views known via this forum and a Facebook page. Hardly comparable. I'm not sure if Cllr. Walker was scaremongering or just determined that she would put her twopennorth about Cavetown out in public. It backfired, people were not terrified that Cavetown had cost a fortune, they were more concerned about where the fortune KTC already had control of was being wasted. Katiery
  • Score: 5

1:37pm Fri 7 Feb 14

notthecivic says...

Katiery wrote:
OUT WITH CAVETOWN wrote:
Skin pontificates
"My predictions for 'mid march at the latest' are an increase in excess of 47% taking the amount extracted from the People of the Town to exceed the £1 million figure"

Reality 1.79%
The latest increase means households in the benchmark band D category will pay £42.69 for the coming financial year - 75 pence more than last year.
Most Keighley homes will pay less, as they fall within the cheaper A, B and C bands.
So £42.69 is nothing? We should be delighted that we pay this for a council that sells off our assets and ignores precept payers?

You seem to have Cllr. Mitchell's attitude of 'it's less than a second class stamp so what's all the fuss about'. I am NOT happy paying anything at all towards a council that cannot even manage to get all councillors to turn up at meetings without a push. Cannot be bothered to respond to letters and cannot manage their accounts correctly.

Most people are not fooled by the '75pence being nothing' statement. 75p multiplied by all the homes in Keighley is a large amount, more wasted money. I'm sure councillors will now publicly pontificate, it's about all they can manage to do unaided!
katiery, please could you give details of any assets that keighley town council has sold off please .
[quote][p][bold]Katiery[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OUT WITH CAVETOWN[/bold] wrote: Skin pontificates "My predictions for 'mid march at the latest' are an increase in excess of 47% taking the amount extracted from the People of the Town to exceed the £1 million figure" Reality 1.79% The latest increase means households in the benchmark band D category will pay £42.69 for the coming financial year - 75 pence more than last year. Most Keighley homes will pay less, as they fall within the cheaper A, B and C bands.[/p][/quote]So £42.69 is nothing? We should be delighted that we pay this for a council that sells off our assets and ignores precept payers? You seem to have Cllr. Mitchell's attitude of 'it's less than a second class stamp so what's all the fuss about'. I am NOT happy paying anything at all towards a council that cannot even manage to get all councillors to turn up at meetings without a push. Cannot be bothered to respond to letters and cannot manage their accounts correctly. Most people are not fooled by the '75pence being nothing' statement. 75p multiplied by all the homes in Keighley is a large amount, more wasted money. I'm sure councillors will now publicly pontificate, it's about all they can manage to do unaided![/p][/quote]katiery, please could you give details of any assets that keighley town council has sold off please . notthecivic
  • Score: -6

1:53pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Graham Forsyth says...

notthecivic wrote:
Katiery wrote:
OUT WITH CAVETOWN wrote:
Skin pontificates
"My predictions for 'mid march at the latest' are an increase in excess of 47% taking the amount extracted from the People of the Town to exceed the £1 million figure"

Reality 1.79%
The latest increase means households in the benchmark band D category will pay £42.69 for the coming financial year - 75 pence more than last year.
Most Keighley homes will pay less, as they fall within the cheaper A, B and C bands.
So £42.69 is nothing? We should be delighted that we pay this for a council that sells off our assets and ignores precept payers?

You seem to have Cllr. Mitchell's attitude of 'it's less than a second class stamp so what's all the fuss about'. I am NOT happy paying anything at all towards a council that cannot even manage to get all councillors to turn up at meetings without a push. Cannot be bothered to respond to letters and cannot manage their accounts correctly.

Most people are not fooled by the '75pence being nothing' statement. 75p multiplied by all the homes in Keighley is a large amount, more wasted money. I'm sure councillors will now publicly pontificate, it's about all they can manage to do unaided!
katiery, please could you give details of any assets that keighley town council has sold off please .
Asset, Skipton Road Allotments. Sold off while having a waiting list of 150 parishioners. That KTC classify allotments as assets can be seen in their asset register, 13 sites throughout the town.
[quote][p][bold]notthecivic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Katiery[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OUT WITH CAVETOWN[/bold] wrote: Skin pontificates "My predictions for 'mid march at the latest' are an increase in excess of 47% taking the amount extracted from the People of the Town to exceed the £1 million figure" Reality 1.79% The latest increase means households in the benchmark band D category will pay £42.69 for the coming financial year - 75 pence more than last year. Most Keighley homes will pay less, as they fall within the cheaper A, B and C bands.[/p][/quote]So £42.69 is nothing? We should be delighted that we pay this for a council that sells off our assets and ignores precept payers? You seem to have Cllr. Mitchell's attitude of 'it's less than a second class stamp so what's all the fuss about'. I am NOT happy paying anything at all towards a council that cannot even manage to get all councillors to turn up at meetings without a push. Cannot be bothered to respond to letters and cannot manage their accounts correctly. Most people are not fooled by the '75pence being nothing' statement. 75p multiplied by all the homes in Keighley is a large amount, more wasted money. I'm sure councillors will now publicly pontificate, it's about all they can manage to do unaided![/p][/quote]katiery, please could you give details of any assets that keighley town council has sold off please .[/p][/quote]Asset, Skipton Road Allotments. Sold off while having a waiting list of 150 parishioners. That KTC classify allotments as assets can be seen in their asset register, 13 sites throughout the town. Graham Forsyth
  • Score: 8

2:00pm Fri 7 Feb 14

samuels david says...

I have unfortunately known of Mr G. R. Mitchell for neigh on 30 years. Nothing this person has ever done or ever said has ever made me feel this man had an intelligence to walk this planet unaided, let alone fill grit bins!
Having been to the chaos that is the KTC monthly meeting, the disgust I felt for Cllr Mitchell has sunk even lower. For instance, that Brian Hudson, the Mr Keighley, whose funeral I had attended only four hours previously, and to which Cllr Mitchell was told he would not be welcomed to attend, inferred Brian Hudson was partly to blame for the financial mayhem that is the Civic Centre.
What Mitchell did not state, was that like all most Councillors the ‘flannel’ that the KTC hierarchy ‘sold’ to the press, the public and members of Council was never thought out properly. The ‘story ’ deceived most people at the time, yet as soon as the smell of the truth started to seep from the rotten web of the Civic centre Brian started asking embarrassing financial questions, which resulted in his being physically and then verbally attacked over many years, and the friends of KTC, the Keighley police did nothing!
That the ‘Saintly’ Cllr Mitchell never pointed out to the sheep he controls in the Council that the Civic Centre has never paid for itself as promised in the ‘golden spiel’ is I believe typical of the man’s character and of those clowns on his team.
In defence of the total failure of KTC he has had the unbelievable audacity to attack the corpse of a man who has done more than he and the entire KTC has ever done for Keighley and without any cost what-so-ever to the public and that man was Brian Hudson!
Once again Mitchell, shame on you, you who are known to have been instrumental in pushing forward what was promised during the formative years of the project to be a financial ‘goldmine’ which in fact is now accepted is to be a financial liability for the next fifty years, and will be long after you and all your colleagues are no longer able to cause further distress on this Earth and the excuse that is now an ‘amenity’, costly at that.
The further mindless unintelligible chatter I listened to last night of how well Keighley has done under Mitchell’s control is again in the view of myself and others in Keighley, just unbelievable drip drop horse manure nonsense!
That KTC gave over £500 to Keighley police for window locks, plus even larger amounts of precept monies for other equipment, such as bicycles, PSO and much more to an authority that already a precept allocated from Bradford each year.
That the Keighley Police seemingly can be at the beck and call of Keighley Council has been noted by members of the public, obviously it can’t be because of the money paid by our Council to Keighley Police Force that Mitchell, and members of the hierarchy have praised so highly.
Last night, Mitchell, when you made your footnote speech to astonished members of the public which you and your goons have previously lambasted as ‘swivel eyed loons etc, and made serious insults that any person with a decent character would be ashamed of, KTC sank lower, in my view into that sea of depravity, on which KTC floats on!
That at the Council meeting when critic, Mrs Elizabeth Mitchell, (thank God no relation to Graham Mitchell) objected to the insults of personal abuse from Cllrs Morris and Tony Wright to herself and members of the public, in emails, an issue not taken up by the KTC friendly Police Force, these two Cllrs seemed to me to be amused by the situation of the public revelations.
The nadir of credibility of KTC and its low life storm troopers posting on this site now has a worldwide audience. Good publicity Mitchell for your KTC.

David Samuels
I have unfortunately known of Mr G. R. Mitchell for neigh on 30 years. Nothing this person has ever done or ever said has ever made me feel this man had an intelligence to walk this planet unaided, let alone fill grit bins! Having been to the chaos that is the KTC monthly meeting, the disgust I felt for Cllr Mitchell has sunk even lower. For instance, that Brian Hudson, the Mr Keighley, whose funeral I had attended only four hours previously, and to which Cllr Mitchell was told he would not be welcomed to attend, inferred Brian Hudson was partly to blame for the financial mayhem that is the Civic Centre. What Mitchell did not state, was that like all most Councillors the ‘flannel’ that the KTC hierarchy ‘sold’ to the press, the public and members of Council was never thought out properly. The ‘story ’ deceived most people at the time, yet as soon as the smell of the truth started to seep from the rotten web of the Civic centre Brian started asking embarrassing financial questions, which resulted in his being physically and then verbally attacked over many years, and the friends of KTC, the Keighley police did nothing! That the ‘Saintly’ Cllr Mitchell never pointed out to the sheep he controls in the Council that the Civic Centre has never paid for itself as promised in the ‘golden spiel’ is I believe typical of the man’s character and of those clowns on his team. In defence of the total failure of KTC he has had the unbelievable audacity to attack the corpse of a man who has done more than he and the entire KTC has ever done for Keighley and without any cost what-so-ever to the public and that man was Brian Hudson! Once again Mitchell, shame on you, you who are known to have been instrumental in pushing forward what was promised during the formative years of the project to be a financial ‘goldmine’ which in fact is now accepted is to be a financial liability for the next fifty years, and will be long after you and all your colleagues are no longer able to cause further distress on this Earth and the excuse that is now an ‘amenity’, costly at that. The further mindless unintelligible chatter I listened to last night of how well Keighley has done under Mitchell’s control is again in the view of myself and others in Keighley, just unbelievable drip drop horse manure nonsense! That KTC gave over £500 to Keighley police for window locks, plus even larger amounts of precept monies for other equipment, such as bicycles, PSO and much more to an authority that already a precept allocated from Bradford each year. That the Keighley Police seemingly can be at the beck and call of Keighley Council has been noted by members of the public, obviously it can’t be because of the money paid by our Council to Keighley Police Force that Mitchell, and members of the hierarchy have praised so highly. Last night, Mitchell, when you made your footnote speech to astonished members of the public which you and your goons have previously lambasted as ‘swivel eyed loons etc, and made serious insults that any person with a decent character would be ashamed of, KTC sank lower, in my view into that sea of depravity, on which KTC floats on! That at the Council meeting when critic, Mrs Elizabeth Mitchell, (thank God no relation to Graham Mitchell) objected to the insults of personal abuse from Cllrs Morris and Tony Wright to herself and members of the public, in emails, an issue not taken up by the KTC friendly Police Force, these two Cllrs seemed to me to be amused by the situation of the public revelations. The nadir of credibility of KTC and its low life storm troopers posting on this site now has a worldwide audience. Good publicity Mitchell for your KTC. David Samuels samuels david
  • Score: 2

2:17pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Gobbag Vooar says...

Katiery.
Last night at the full council meeting I witnessed the ruddiest display of manners that I ever thought possible by elected officials, even Prime Ministers question time did not come anywhere near this outlandish display of unprofessional behaviour, that in my own opinion I saw last night.
Mrs Elizabeth Mitchell, member of the public spoke, and referred to rude, and nasty emails received by herself and family, and I watched as three of them were grinning. The Mayor said nothing, only to cut this lady short as she was about to end with what I think was a mark of respect to a deceased councillor, can you even begin to believe it ? I was embarrassed for this council.
Pen pointing, talking when others were speaking, and more grinning went on, five year olds could teach them better manners.
To end the meeting, adverse comment by one directed at the towns MP, very unprofessional, what did Councillor Morris seek to achieve, apart from a final encore as to further underline how this council behaves. ?
Katiery. Last night at the full council meeting I witnessed the ruddiest display of manners that I ever thought possible by elected officials, even Prime Ministers question time did not come anywhere near this outlandish display of unprofessional behaviour, that in my own opinion I saw last night. Mrs Elizabeth Mitchell, member of the public spoke, and referred to rude, and nasty emails received by herself and family, and I watched as three of them were grinning. The Mayor said nothing, only to cut this lady short as she was about to end with what I think was a mark of respect to a deceased councillor, can you even begin to believe it ? I was embarrassed for this council. Pen pointing, talking when others were speaking, and more grinning went on, five year olds could teach them better manners. To end the meeting, adverse comment by one directed at the towns MP, very unprofessional, what did Councillor Morris seek to achieve, apart from a final encore as to further underline how this council behaves. ? Gobbag Vooar
  • Score: 3

2:47pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Graham Forsyth says...

What is there to praise about a council that out of a £ 792,511.00 total budget for 2014/15, only £98,000 will actually be spent on the Parish of Keighley. £265,184.00 will be the total civic centre spending, and £ 429,327.00 will be the total town council spending.

The council is run in such a way that there are now 22 legal objections and 32 other items of concern that the external auditors will be investigating. That is 54 issues of concern. Who is responsible for this situation and how can this be a valid endorsement of what KTC is doing for the Town of Keighley? Making headline news as having `Lost The Plot`, unjustified precept hike, disastrous civic centre project, mentioned in Parliament, and this week in the Keighley News, a former civic centre tenant taking legal action against KTC.

I do not see the well used elastoplast adhesive bandage qualities of the numerous grit bins KTC has provided will be sufficient to cover this self inflicted wound.
What is there to praise about a council that out of a £ 792,511.00 total budget for 2014/15, only £98,000 will actually be spent on the Parish of Keighley. £265,184.00 will be the total civic centre spending, and £ 429,327.00 will be the total town council spending. The council is run in such a way that there are now 22 legal objections and 32 other items of concern that the external auditors will be investigating. That is 54 issues of concern. Who is responsible for this situation and how can this be a valid endorsement of what KTC is doing for the Town of Keighley? Making headline news as having `Lost The Plot`, unjustified precept hike, disastrous civic centre project, mentioned in Parliament, and this week in the Keighley News, a former civic centre tenant taking legal action against KTC. I do not see the well used elastoplast adhesive bandage qualities of the numerous grit bins KTC has provided will be sufficient to cover this self inflicted wound. Graham Forsyth
  • Score: 6

3:56pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

Out with Cavetown wrote-
Thanks for a courteous reply Skin a refreshing change from the usual childish insults.
You state Mrs Walker was scaremongering with her Precept warning ,
but then you made a prediction of 47% confabulation ?.

When the mayor warned of a yet another record breaking precept rise I merely attempted to address the implications of this.
1. Breaking the previous 72.6% record set last year.
2. Breaking the magic million pound mark achieved by less than 1% of Parish Councils. (Which would of required a 47% increase).

Perhaps you should address your comments to the mayor OwC to find out why she made such bizarre comments in December.
Out with Cavetown wrote- Thanks for a courteous reply Skin a refreshing change from the usual childish insults. You state Mrs Walker was scaremongering with her Precept warning , but then you made a prediction of 47% confabulation ?. When the mayor warned of a yet another record breaking precept rise I merely attempted to address the implications of this. 1. Breaking the previous 72.6% record set last year. 2. Breaking the magic million pound mark achieved by less than 1% of Parish Councils. (Which would of required a 47% increase). Perhaps you should address your comments to the mayor OwC to find out why she made such bizarre comments in December. Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 2

5:11pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Katiery says...

notthecivic wrote: katiery, please could you give details of any assets that keighley town council has sold off please .

With pleasure. As Mr Forsyth has already stated, Skipton Road allotments, and an attempt at marketing another allotment. Luckily these allotments are the only assets that KTC have any control over, so the family silver is safe for now.
notthecivic wrote: katiery, please could you give details of any assets that keighley town council has sold off please . With pleasure. As Mr Forsyth has already stated, Skipton Road allotments, and an attempt at marketing another allotment. Luckily these allotments are the only assets that KTC have any control over, so the family silver is safe for now. Katiery
  • Score: 5

5:16pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Katiery says...

Gobbag Vooar, I am no fan of our MP that's for sure and am happy to point out his (many) failings, but I am also not an elected - or co-opted - representative on a supposedly non political Town Council, so I do not have to observe the courtesy that such people should uphold.

Having delusions of grandure, which is prevelant in KTC, is no excuse for being ignorant, rude and unprofessional.
Gobbag Vooar, I am no fan of our MP that's for sure and am happy to point out his (many) failings, but I am also not an elected - or co-opted - representative on a supposedly non political Town Council, so I do not have to observe the courtesy that such people should uphold. Having delusions of grandure, which is prevelant in KTC, is no excuse for being ignorant, rude and unprofessional. Katiery
  • Score: 5

7:28pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Graham Forsyth says...

“Coun Philip pointed out the £55,000 allocated to pay for the external audit could instead be used for 55 £1,000 Oak fund grants for local community projects, or for 220 £250 Acorn fund grants.”

What could the £250,000 plus wasted on the civic centre have done to help cllr Philip? And remember what you told the parishioners of Keighley?


K.N. Thursday 17th June 2010.Cost of civic centre plans kept under wraps
“ Cllr Philip insists Keighley people should not see an increase on the precept, the annual tax they pay to the town council.
The police station would be bought with a loan and both running costs and repayments would be covered from rental income and savings on the council’s own accommodation costs.
Cllr Philip said: “It would hopefully be a self-financing venture.
“We envisage that the income it generates will pay off the lump sum over a period of time.
“The worst-case scenario would be that we use existing budgets to prop it up.”


What savings on accommodation costs were made cllr Philip? According to your town clerk, Miggy Bailey, the Town Hall in which your were previously housed is owned by Bradford Council who took care of the overheads.

How does a 72.6% precept hike in 2012 to help bail out the loss making civic centre equate to using existing budgets to prop it up in a worst-case scenario?

As chairman of the Finance Committee, what explanation could you offer to the parishioners of Keighley as to why the External Auditors have seen the objections sent to them by parishioners need to be investigated?

Tick Tock
“Coun Philip pointed out the £55,000 allocated to pay for the external audit could instead be used for 55 £1,000 Oak fund grants for local community projects, or for 220 £250 Acorn fund grants.” What could the £250,000 plus wasted on the civic centre have done to help cllr Philip? And remember what you told the parishioners of Keighley? K.N. Thursday 17th June 2010.Cost of civic centre plans kept under wraps “ Cllr Philip insists Keighley people should not see an increase on the precept, the annual tax they pay to the town council. The police station would be bought with a loan and both running costs and repayments would be covered from rental income and savings on the council’s own accommodation costs. Cllr Philip said: “It would hopefully be a self-financing venture. “We envisage that the income it generates will pay off the lump sum over a period of time. “The worst-case scenario would be that we use existing budgets to prop it up.” What savings on accommodation costs were made cllr Philip? According to your town clerk, Miggy Bailey, the Town Hall in which your were previously housed is owned by Bradford Council who took care of the overheads. How does a 72.6% precept hike in 2012 to help bail out the loss making civic centre equate to using existing budgets to prop it up in a worst-case scenario? As chairman of the Finance Committee, what explanation could you offer to the parishioners of Keighley as to why the External Auditors have seen the objections sent to them by parishioners need to be investigated? Tick Tock Graham Forsyth
  • Score: 6

7:31pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Ian-Holt Roberts says...

Katiery wrote:
notthecivic wrote: katiery, please could you give details of any assets that keighley town council has sold off please .

With pleasure. As Mr Forsyth has already stated, Skipton Road allotments, and an attempt at marketing another allotment. Luckily these allotments are the only assets that KTC have any control over, so the family silver is safe for now.
KATIERY IT IS A WASTE OF TIME ANSWERING MR COUNCILOR notthecivic HE ALREADY KNOWS THE ANSWERS .HE HAS ALREADY COMMENTED ON ANOTHER THREAD AS TO WHY DAVID SAMUELS DID NOT STAND UP FOR THE HYPOCRITICAL ONE MINUETS SILENCE REQUESTED BY WALKER AT LAST NIGHTS MEETING
[quote][p][bold]Katiery[/bold] wrote: notthecivic wrote: katiery, please could you give details of any assets that keighley town council has sold off please . With pleasure. As Mr Forsyth has already stated, Skipton Road allotments, and an attempt at marketing another allotment. Luckily these allotments are the only assets that KTC have any control over, so the family silver is safe for now.[/p][/quote]KATIERY IT IS A WASTE OF TIME ANSWERING MR COUNCILOR notthecivic HE ALREADY KNOWS THE ANSWERS .HE HAS ALREADY COMMENTED ON ANOTHER THREAD AS TO WHY DAVID SAMUELS DID NOT STAND UP FOR THE HYPOCRITICAL ONE MINUETS SILENCE REQUESTED BY WALKER AT LAST NIGHTS MEETING Ian-Holt Roberts
  • Score: 3

8:20pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Katiery says...

As noththecivic made a statement on another thread regarding what happened in the Council chamber last night, and as he is obviously not a member or friend of Cavetown, then we can deduce that he/she is a Councillor or a staff member.

In which case, why ask questions to which you obvously know the answer notthecivic? And why not add something of value to the comments rather than playing games and being a complete dick head?

Somewhat strengthens my point about KTC representatives not having anything worthwhile to say. Sadly.
As noththecivic made a statement on another thread regarding what happened in the Council chamber last night, and as he is obviously not a member or friend of Cavetown, then we can deduce that he/she is a Councillor or a staff member. In which case, why ask questions to which you obvously know the answer notthecivic? And why not add something of value to the comments rather than playing games and being a complete dick head? Somewhat strengthens my point about KTC representatives not having anything worthwhile to say. Sadly. Katiery
  • Score: 5

8:24pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Ian-Holt Roberts says...

Katiery wrote:
As noththecivic made a statement on another thread regarding what happened in the Council chamber last night, and as he is obviously not a member or friend of Cavetown, then we can deduce that he/she is a Councillor or a staff member.

In which case, why ask questions to which you obvously know the answer notthecivic? And why not add something of value to the comments rather than playing games and being a complete dick head?

Somewhat strengthens my point about KTC representatives not having anything worthwhile to say. Sadly.
SPOT ON KATIERY
[quote][p][bold]Katiery[/bold] wrote: As noththecivic made a statement on another thread regarding what happened in the Council chamber last night, and as he is obviously not a member or friend of Cavetown, then we can deduce that he/she is a Councillor or a staff member. In which case, why ask questions to which you obvously know the answer notthecivic? And why not add something of value to the comments rather than playing games and being a complete dick head? Somewhat strengthens my point about KTC representatives not having anything worthwhile to say. Sadly.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON KATIERY Ian-Holt Roberts
  • Score: 4

9:53am Sat 8 Feb 14

Gobbag Vooar says...

Ian-Holt Roberts wrote:
Katiery wrote:
As noththecivic made a statement on another thread regarding what happened in the Council chamber last night, and as he is obviously not a member or friend of Cavetown, then we can deduce that he/she is a Councillor or a staff member.

In which case, why ask questions to which you obvously know the answer notthecivic? And why not add something of value to the comments rather than playing games and being a complete dick head?

Somewhat strengthens my point about KTC representatives not having anything worthwhile to say. Sadly.
SPOT ON KATIERY
Katiery.
We have been asking this councillor what you have asked for months, and each time he posts he turns out more dung than a farmers muck spreader,
At least him being on here tells us that the council read our comments.
[quote][p][bold]Ian-Holt Roberts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Katiery[/bold] wrote: As noththecivic made a statement on another thread regarding what happened in the Council chamber last night, and as he is obviously not a member or friend of Cavetown, then we can deduce that he/she is a Councillor or a staff member. In which case, why ask questions to which you obvously know the answer notthecivic? And why not add something of value to the comments rather than playing games and being a complete dick head? Somewhat strengthens my point about KTC representatives not having anything worthwhile to say. Sadly.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON KATIERY[/p][/quote]Katiery. We have been asking this councillor what you have asked for months, and each time he posts he turns out more dung than a farmers muck spreader, At least him being on here tells us that the council read our comments. Gobbag Vooar
  • Score: 9

7:02pm Sat 8 Feb 14

samuels david says...

Morris and his ilk, under what I believe are their delusions of grandeur are seeming silent after the many gaffs they have made in Council and in the postings on these pages, all sunk like lead balloons!
Could it be that a ‘Most Divine Being’ has commanded the Neanderthal thugs not to try to defend their own dim-witted and imprudent attack on those members of the public who dared to criticise the Holy metaphor that is KTC?
Does the silence mean the gobbledygook, claptrap, and garbage communications from the ivory and gold plated money printing palace, the Civic Centre, has at last been realised by the ‘foot in the mouth’ brigade to be an ill advised communiqué , now recognised by the Keighley public as a failing ploy to drown out the financial catastrophe the KTC has caused.
Even one of the more lucid and articulated councillors admitted to me after the last monthly meeting that to demonstrate some slight remorse to the public the KTC hierarchy could have cut this 2014/15 precept by 50%, just by a determined attack on expenditure, but as he stated to me, ‘they have no idea at all on how to approach and implement the subject of a drastic cost cutting!’
Maybe the ‘Most Divine Being’ could open the divine eyes from his long sleep, stop writing published dictates for others, which are then soundly ridiculed at the oblique profanity in the communication, and think for once about altering the financial course for Keighley, and its credibility. Just a thought if the ‘Most Divine Being’ has lost the ability to have just one thought!
David Samuels
Morris and his ilk, under what I believe are their delusions of grandeur are seeming silent after the many gaffs they have made in Council and in the postings on these pages, all sunk like lead balloons! Could it be that a ‘Most Divine Being’ has commanded the Neanderthal thugs not to try to defend their own dim-witted and imprudent attack on those members of the public who dared to criticise the Holy metaphor that is KTC? Does the silence mean the gobbledygook, claptrap, and garbage communications from the ivory and gold plated money printing palace, the Civic Centre, has at last been realised by the ‘foot in the mouth’ brigade to be an ill advised communiqué , now recognised by the Keighley public as a failing ploy to drown out the financial catastrophe the KTC has caused. Even one of the more lucid and articulated councillors admitted to me after the last monthly meeting that to demonstrate some slight remorse to the public the KTC hierarchy could have cut this 2014/15 precept by 50%, just by a determined attack on expenditure, but as he stated to me, ‘they have no idea at all on how to approach and implement the subject of a drastic cost cutting!’ Maybe the ‘Most Divine Being’ could open the divine eyes from his long sleep, stop writing published dictates for others, which are then soundly ridiculed at the oblique profanity in the communication, and think for once about altering the financial course for Keighley, and its credibility. Just a thought if the ‘Most Divine Being’ has lost the ability to have just one thought! David Samuels samuels david
  • Score: 4

7:17pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Little Green Man says...

Gobbag Vooar wrote:
Ian-Holt Roberts wrote:
Katiery wrote:
As noththecivic made a statement on another thread regarding what happened in the Council chamber last night, and as he is obviously not a member or friend of Cavetown, then we can deduce that he/she is a Councillor or a staff member.

In which case, why ask questions to which you obvously know the answer notthecivic? And why not add something of value to the comments rather than playing games and being a complete dick head?

Somewhat strengthens my point about KTC representatives not having anything worthwhile to say. Sadly.
SPOT ON KATIERY
Katiery.
We have been asking this councillor what you have asked for months, and each time he posts he turns out more dung than a farmers muck spreader,
At least him being on here tells us that the council read our comments.
you sure they can read?
[quote][p][bold]Gobbag Vooar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ian-Holt Roberts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Katiery[/bold] wrote: As noththecivic made a statement on another thread regarding what happened in the Council chamber last night, and as he is obviously not a member or friend of Cavetown, then we can deduce that he/she is a Councillor or a staff member. In which case, why ask questions to which you obvously know the answer notthecivic? And why not add something of value to the comments rather than playing games and being a complete dick head? Somewhat strengthens my point about KTC representatives not having anything worthwhile to say. Sadly.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON KATIERY[/p][/quote]Katiery. We have been asking this councillor what you have asked for months, and each time he posts he turns out more dung than a farmers muck spreader, At least him being on here tells us that the council read our comments.[/p][/quote]you sure they can read? Little Green Man
  • Score: -1

9:23pm Sat 8 Feb 14

OUT WITH CAVETOWN says...

samuels david wrote:
Morris and his ilk, under what I believe are their delusions of grandeur are seeming silent after the many gaffs they have made in Council and in the postings on these pages, all sunk like lead balloons!
Could it be that a ‘Most Divine Being’ has commanded the Neanderthal thugs not to try to defend their own dim-witted and imprudent attack on those members of the public who dared to criticise the Holy metaphor that is KTC?
Does the silence mean the gobbledygook, claptrap, and garbage communications from the ivory and gold plated money printing palace, the Civic Centre, has at last been realised by the ‘foot in the mouth’ brigade to be an ill advised communiqué , now recognised by the Keighley public as a failing ploy to drown out the financial catastrophe the KTC has caused.
Even one of the more lucid and articulated councillors admitted to me after the last monthly meeting that to demonstrate some slight remorse to the public the KTC hierarchy could have cut this 2014/15 precept by 50%, just by a determined attack on expenditure, but as he stated to me, ‘they have no idea at all on how to approach and implement the subject of a drastic cost cutting!’
Maybe the ‘Most Divine Being’ could open the divine eyes from his long sleep, stop writing published dictates for others, which are then soundly ridiculed at the oblique profanity in the communication, and think for once about altering the financial course for Keighley, and its credibility. Just a thought if the ‘Most Divine Being’ has lost the ability to have just one thought!
David Samuels
I see the wheel is spinning, but the hamster looks dead.
[quote][p][bold]samuels david[/bold] wrote: Morris and his ilk, under what I believe are their delusions of grandeur are seeming silent after the many gaffs they have made in Council and in the postings on these pages, all sunk like lead balloons! Could it be that a ‘Most Divine Being’ has commanded the Neanderthal thugs not to try to defend their own dim-witted and imprudent attack on those members of the public who dared to criticise the Holy metaphor that is KTC? Does the silence mean the gobbledygook, claptrap, and garbage communications from the ivory and gold plated money printing palace, the Civic Centre, has at last been realised by the ‘foot in the mouth’ brigade to be an ill advised communiqué , now recognised by the Keighley public as a failing ploy to drown out the financial catastrophe the KTC has caused. Even one of the more lucid and articulated councillors admitted to me after the last monthly meeting that to demonstrate some slight remorse to the public the KTC hierarchy could have cut this 2014/15 precept by 50%, just by a determined attack on expenditure, but as he stated to me, ‘they have no idea at all on how to approach and implement the subject of a drastic cost cutting!’ Maybe the ‘Most Divine Being’ could open the divine eyes from his long sleep, stop writing published dictates for others, which are then soundly ridiculed at the oblique profanity in the communication, and think for once about altering the financial course for Keighley, and its credibility. Just a thought if the ‘Most Divine Being’ has lost the ability to have just one thought! David Samuels[/p][/quote]I see the wheel is spinning, but the hamster looks dead. OUT WITH CAVETOWN
  • Score: -2

7:27am Sun 9 Feb 14

Graham Forsyth says...

And what has KTC provided for Keighley through the rotation of it's own well oiled wheels?


KTC Budget 2014/15
Of the £792,511, only £98,000 will actually be spent on the Parish. Civic centre spending will be £265,184. The remaining £429,327 will be town council spending. Makes you ask the question if KTC see the civic centre as more important than the entire Keighley Parish.

On the 1st November 2012 the full council voted on having an investigation into a matter of concern which was undertaken by Cllr Pedley. By December 6, the council minutes covering the meeting of this date stated:

“ Councillor Metcalf referred to the Council’s decision at the last meeting that Councillor Pedley investigate a situation surrounding advertising and commission. He pointed out that at this stage the report put together by Councillor Pedley could only be handled in a strictly confidential way in order to avoid any risk to the Council by its publication.”

The full council were not allowed to see the findings of this report. It was eventually leaked out and can now be read here.
https://docs.google.
com/file/d/0ByE4D40i
mmo-Tkdmb3VkdURKaEk/
edit?pli=1


“A former tenant of the Keighley Town Council-run civic centre says he is taking legal action against the local authority.
Gavin Farrar, of the social enterprise Confianza, said he was suing the town council for compensation.
He claims before his organisation moved into the North Street property, it was promised 27 functions a year, which would enable it to sustain its catering operations in the building.
“We’re a not-for-profit organisation and we’d taken out a social enterprise loan, which we’d expected we could recoup,” he explained.
However, he said Confianza was instead forced to move out of the building last year with losses of £17,500 after the promised social functions failed to materialise.”

And another former tenant of the Keighley Town Council-run civic centre

“A bitter war of words has broken out amid allegations Keighley Town Council tried to sell some of its allotment land.
Chairman of the council’s allotments and landscapes committee, Councillor Brian Morris, said the 4.143-acre area at Hog Holes in Woodhouse was at one point advertised for sale, but claims this was done without council consent.
He alleges property agent, Grant Doyle, a previous tenant of the town council-run civic centre, was responsible for the unauthorised advertising.
However, Mr Doyle, formerly of the firm Property 28, which has been rebranded Keighley Property Group, described the allegation as “preposterous”.
He said he was told by Coun Morris to put the land on the market to see if it generated any interest. “I’m not going to be made a scapegoat because of the council’s failure to do due diligence,” he added. “


Mr Doyle made a sworn statement in regards to this issue which can be read here.

Re: Cllr B Morris & His Misleading Statement In The Keighley News / Dated: 5th December 2013
https://docs.google.
com/file/d/0ByE4D40i
mmo-aDVfTGFNaEdxZnM/
edit?pli=1


And the national press coverage on how KTC `Lost The Plot` over filming.

Being mentioned in the House of Parliament by our MP, thus.
“Keighley town council has interpreted localism as an opportunity to empire-build. Bearing in mind the fact that its sole responsibility under statute is for allotments, it has taken it upon itself to purchase the old police station in Keighley and offer the town a new civic centre at a cost of £1 million, despite the fact that the town already has a town hall and a brand new community centre within 400 yards of the civic centre. Sadly, the business plan does not service the debt that has been incurred, so residents have to pay a 72.6% increase in the precept. This is a shambles, and it is of the council’s own making. Rather than sting local residents, it should look at its overheads, and address staffing levels and its transport bill, rather than impose an extra burden on hard-pressed families.”

To what destination have the well oiled rotating wheels of KTC taken it.


External Auditors will be investigating 22 legal objections and 32 other items of concern, yes that's 54 serious financial and governance issues.


The Local Audit and Accountability Bill has gained royal assent which gives the public the right to tweet and film council meetings.

While the well oiled wheels are carrying KTC onwards, it appear as though the steering wheel is missing.


Tick Tock
And what has KTC provided for Keighley through the rotation of it's own well oiled wheels? KTC Budget 2014/15 Of the £792,511, only £98,000 will actually be spent on the Parish. Civic centre spending will be £265,184. The remaining £429,327 will be town council spending. Makes you ask the question if KTC see the civic centre as more important than the entire Keighley Parish. On the 1st November 2012 the full council voted on having an investigation into a matter of concern which was undertaken by Cllr Pedley. By December 6, the council minutes covering the meeting of this date stated: “ Councillor Metcalf referred to the Council’s decision at the last meeting that Councillor Pedley investigate a situation surrounding advertising and commission. He pointed out that at this stage the report put together by Councillor Pedley could only be handled in a strictly confidential way in order to avoid any risk to the Council by its publication.” The full council were not allowed to see the findings of this report. It was eventually leaked out and can now be read here. https://docs.google. com/file/d/0ByE4D40i mmo-Tkdmb3VkdURKaEk/ edit?pli=1 “A former tenant of the Keighley Town Council-run civic centre says he is taking legal action against the local authority. Gavin Farrar, of the social enterprise Confianza, said he was suing the town council for compensation. He claims before his organisation moved into the North Street property, it was promised 27 functions a year, which would enable it to sustain its catering operations in the building. “We’re a not-for-profit organisation and we’d taken out a social enterprise loan, which we’d expected we could recoup,” he explained. However, he said Confianza was instead forced to move out of the building last year with losses of £17,500 after the promised social functions failed to materialise.” And another former tenant of the Keighley Town Council-run civic centre “A bitter war of words has broken out amid allegations Keighley Town Council tried to sell some of its allotment land. Chairman of the council’s allotments and landscapes committee, Councillor Brian Morris, said the 4.143-acre area at Hog Holes in Woodhouse was at one point advertised for sale, but claims this was done without council consent. He alleges property agent, Grant Doyle, a previous tenant of the town council-run civic centre, was responsible for the unauthorised advertising. However, Mr Doyle, formerly of the firm Property 28, which has been rebranded Keighley Property Group, described the allegation as “preposterous”. He said he was told by Coun Morris to put the land on the market to see if it generated any interest. “I’m not going to be made a scapegoat because of the council’s failure to do due diligence,” he added. “ Mr Doyle made a sworn statement in regards to this issue which can be read here. Re: Cllr B Morris & His Misleading Statement In The Keighley News / Dated: 5th December 2013 https://docs.google. com/file/d/0ByE4D40i mmo-aDVfTGFNaEdxZnM/ edit?pli=1 And the national press coverage on how KTC `Lost The Plot` over filming. Being mentioned in the House of Parliament by our MP, thus. “Keighley town council has interpreted localism as an opportunity to empire-build. Bearing in mind the fact that its sole responsibility under statute is for allotments, it has taken it upon itself to purchase the old police station in Keighley and offer the town a new civic centre at a cost of £1 million, despite the fact that the town already has a town hall and a brand new community centre within 400 yards of the civic centre. Sadly, the business plan does not service the debt that has been incurred, so residents have to pay a 72.6% increase in the precept. This is a shambles, and it is of the council’s own making. Rather than sting local residents, it should look at its overheads, and address staffing levels and its transport bill, rather than impose an extra burden on hard-pressed families.” To what destination have the well oiled rotating wheels of KTC taken it. External Auditors will be investigating 22 legal objections and 32 other items of concern, yes that's 54 serious financial and governance issues. The Local Audit and Accountability Bill has gained royal assent which gives the public the right to tweet and film council meetings. While the well oiled wheels are carrying KTC onwards, it appear as though the steering wheel is missing. Tick Tock Graham Forsyth
  • Score: 6

9:23am Sun 9 Feb 14

Ian-Holt Roberts says...

OUT WITH CAVETOWN wrote:
samuels david wrote:
Morris and his ilk, under what I believe are their delusions of grandeur are seeming silent after the many gaffs they have made in Council and in the postings on these pages, all sunk like lead balloons!
Could it be that a ‘Most Divine Being’ has commanded the Neanderthal thugs not to try to defend their own dim-witted and imprudent attack on those members of the public who dared to criticise the Holy metaphor that is KTC?
Does the silence mean the gobbledygook, claptrap, and garbage communications from the ivory and gold plated money printing palace, the Civic Centre, has at last been realised by the ‘foot in the mouth’ brigade to be an ill advised communiqué , now recognised by the Keighley public as a failing ploy to drown out the financial catastrophe the KTC has caused.
Even one of the more lucid and articulated councillors admitted to me after the last monthly meeting that to demonstrate some slight remorse to the public the KTC hierarchy could have cut this 2014/15 precept by 50%, just by a determined attack on expenditure, but as he stated to me, ‘they have no idea at all on how to approach and implement the subject of a drastic cost cutting!’
Maybe the ‘Most Divine Being’ could open the divine eyes from his long sleep, stop writing published dictates for others, which are then soundly ridiculed at the oblique profanity in the communication, and think for once about altering the financial course for Keighley, and its credibility. Just a thought if the ‘Most Divine Being’ has lost the ability to have just one thought!
David Samuels
I see the wheel is spinning, but the hamster looks dead.
MORRIS you are wrong to identify yourself as an hamster you are being unfair to hamsters,to assist you in identifying a name more appropriate to your appearance and intelligence please feel free to select from the following halitosis breath,slime ball ,town idiot,Brian no brain ,crumpled attire ,the blob,unwanted .waste of space,the list is endless and does not insult the animal life .
[quote][p][bold]OUT WITH CAVETOWN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]samuels david[/bold] wrote: Morris and his ilk, under what I believe are their delusions of grandeur are seeming silent after the many gaffs they have made in Council and in the postings on these pages, all sunk like lead balloons! Could it be that a ‘Most Divine Being’ has commanded the Neanderthal thugs not to try to defend their own dim-witted and imprudent attack on those members of the public who dared to criticise the Holy metaphor that is KTC? Does the silence mean the gobbledygook, claptrap, and garbage communications from the ivory and gold plated money printing palace, the Civic Centre, has at last been realised by the ‘foot in the mouth’ brigade to be an ill advised communiqué , now recognised by the Keighley public as a failing ploy to drown out the financial catastrophe the KTC has caused. Even one of the more lucid and articulated councillors admitted to me after the last monthly meeting that to demonstrate some slight remorse to the public the KTC hierarchy could have cut this 2014/15 precept by 50%, just by a determined attack on expenditure, but as he stated to me, ‘they have no idea at all on how to approach and implement the subject of a drastic cost cutting!’ Maybe the ‘Most Divine Being’ could open the divine eyes from his long sleep, stop writing published dictates for others, which are then soundly ridiculed at the oblique profanity in the communication, and think for once about altering the financial course for Keighley, and its credibility. Just a thought if the ‘Most Divine Being’ has lost the ability to have just one thought! David Samuels[/p][/quote]I see the wheel is spinning, but the hamster looks dead.[/p][/quote]MORRIS you are wrong to identify yourself as an hamster you are being unfair to hamsters,to assist you in identifying a name more appropriate to your appearance and intelligence please feel free to select from the following halitosis breath,slime ball ,town idiot,Brian no brain ,crumpled attire ,the blob,unwanted .waste of space,the list is endless and does not insult the animal life . Ian-Holt Roberts
  • Score: 6

10:13am Sun 9 Feb 14

samuels david says...

Mr Roberts, with respect dear sir, the scorn which you pour on KT Councillor Morris could, and should also apply to others within the KTC.
Cllr Morris most certainly could not carry out his abuse and his public scorning of members of the public without the connivance and support of those within the hierarchy who control him and the council.

That Mitchell, Tony Wright and others within the cabal publically insult members of the public with impunity, because these members of the public have a courage to express their long fought for democratic rights of being able to question issues of concern, demonstrates to me the KTC hierarchy loathing of free speech, transparency, etc as once again was shown at the disgusting and hypocritical February Council meeting of the KTC.
David Samuels
Mr Roberts, with respect dear sir, the scorn which you pour on KT Councillor Morris could, and should also apply to others within the KTC. Cllr Morris most certainly could not carry out his abuse and his public scorning of members of the public without the connivance and support of those within the hierarchy who control him and the council. That Mitchell, Tony Wright and others within the cabal publically insult members of the public with impunity, because these members of the public have a courage to express their long fought for democratic rights of being able to question issues of concern, demonstrates to me the KTC hierarchy loathing of free speech, transparency, etc as once again was shown at the disgusting and hypocritical February Council meeting of the KTC. David Samuels samuels david
  • Score: 3

10:54am Sun 9 Feb 14

Gobbag Vooar says...

OUT WITH CAVETOWN.
You seem to have no inclination whatsoever as to the further damage that you are inflicting on KTC, and the reputation of Keighley with your silly posts. You may be a serving councillor, if so, then you need to examine your practice as such, very carefully, as you are behaving in a very unprofessional manor. Should this not be the case, then you are damaging the councillor who some believe you to be.
On the other hand, my own observations of the last two council meetings that I attended, I am of the opinion that neither the mayor, and your colleague's are not too bothered about image either, grinning at a parishioner speaker, whilst speaking is the height of contempt and arrogance, clearly demonstrating the standards of behaviour in the chamber
Remember that your council is there to serve it's parishioners, not the other way round, and if you are the assumed councillor, you have a duty to conduct yourself with decorum, regardless of how much you dislike other councillors, and more important, those who you are suppose to represent and serve.
Most of all, if you are a councillor, it is your own image and credibility that is suffering the most damage, this also compromises other councillors.
If you are not a councillor then, your postings are indeed causing damage to councillors, and council employees alike, which falls into the realms of irresponsibility.
OUT WITH CAVETOWN. You seem to have no inclination whatsoever as to the further damage that you are inflicting on KTC, and the reputation of Keighley with your silly posts. You may be a serving councillor, if so, then you need to examine your practice as such, very carefully, as you are behaving in a very unprofessional manor. Should this not be the case, then you are damaging the councillor who some believe you to be. On the other hand, my own observations of the last two council meetings that I attended, I am of the opinion that neither the mayor, and your colleague's are not too bothered about image either, grinning at a parishioner speaker, whilst speaking is the height of contempt and arrogance, clearly demonstrating the standards of behaviour in the chamber Remember that your council is there to serve it's parishioners, not the other way round, and if you are the assumed councillor, you have a duty to conduct yourself with decorum, regardless of how much you dislike other councillors, and more important, those who you are suppose to represent and serve. Most of all, if you are a councillor, it is your own image and credibility that is suffering the most damage, this also compromises other councillors. If you are not a councillor then, your postings are indeed causing damage to councillors, and council employees alike, which falls into the realms of irresponsibility. Gobbag Vooar
  • Score: 8

11:55am Sun 9 Feb 14

Graham Forsyth says...

The damage being inflicted upon KTC is self inflicted. KTC are solely responsible for the 22 legal objections and the 32 other items of concern that are to be investigated. As yet, neither KTC, nor those who post on here to question Cavetown have produced any other set of figures based on KTC's own documents, to refute what Cavetown has said right from the start. And the External Auditors themselves , PKF Littlejohn, a professional auditing company, have accepted the validity of the objections sent to them.


Tick Tock
The damage being inflicted upon KTC is self inflicted. KTC are solely responsible for the 22 legal objections and the 32 other items of concern that are to be investigated. As yet, neither KTC, nor those who post on here to question Cavetown have produced any other set of figures based on KTC's own documents, to refute what Cavetown has said right from the start. And the External Auditors themselves , PKF Littlejohn, a professional auditing company, have accepted the validity of the objections sent to them. Tick Tock Graham Forsyth
  • Score: 7

2:50pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Ian-Holt Roberts says...

Gobbag Vooar wrote:
OUT WITH CAVETOWN.
You seem to have no inclination whatsoever as to the further damage that you are inflicting on KTC, and the reputation of Keighley with your silly posts. You may be a serving councillor, if so, then you need to examine your practice as such, very carefully, as you are behaving in a very unprofessional manor. Should this not be the case, then you are damaging the councillor who some believe you to be.
On the other hand, my own observations of the last two council meetings that I attended, I am of the opinion that neither the mayor, and your colleague's are not too bothered about image either, grinning at a parishioner speaker, whilst speaking is the height of contempt and arrogance, clearly demonstrating the standards of behaviour in the chamber
Remember that your council is there to serve it's parishioners, not the other way round, and if you are the assumed councillor, you have a duty to conduct yourself with decorum, regardless of how much you dislike other councillors, and more important, those who you are suppose to represent and serve.
Most of all, if you are a councillor, it is your own image and credibility that is suffering the most damage, this also compromises other councillors.
If you are not a councillor then, your postings are indeed causing damage to councillors, and council employees alike, which falls into the realms of irresponsibility.
All you have said is true Gobbag but it is a waste of time attempting to get the message across to such as Morris .comedians would have loved Morris as a stooge he would have been priceless .Jimmy James with that tall chap Elie .HE WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN OUT OF WORK .BEN TURpin lookalike
[quote][p][bold]Gobbag Vooar[/bold] wrote: OUT WITH CAVETOWN. You seem to have no inclination whatsoever as to the further damage that you are inflicting on KTC, and the reputation of Keighley with your silly posts. You may be a serving councillor, if so, then you need to examine your practice as such, very carefully, as you are behaving in a very unprofessional manor. Should this not be the case, then you are damaging the councillor who some believe you to be. On the other hand, my own observations of the last two council meetings that I attended, I am of the opinion that neither the mayor, and your colleague's are not too bothered about image either, grinning at a parishioner speaker, whilst speaking is the height of contempt and arrogance, clearly demonstrating the standards of behaviour in the chamber Remember that your council is there to serve it's parishioners, not the other way round, and if you are the assumed councillor, you have a duty to conduct yourself with decorum, regardless of how much you dislike other councillors, and more important, those who you are suppose to represent and serve. Most of all, if you are a councillor, it is your own image and credibility that is suffering the most damage, this also compromises other councillors. If you are not a councillor then, your postings are indeed causing damage to councillors, and council employees alike, which falls into the realms of irresponsibility.[/p][/quote]All you have said is true Gobbag but it is a waste of time attempting to get the message across to such as Morris .comedians would have loved Morris as a stooge he would have been priceless .Jimmy James with that tall chap Elie .HE WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN OUT OF WORK .BEN TURpin lookalike Ian-Holt Roberts
  • Score: 3

2:52pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Ian-Holt Roberts says...

samuels david wrote:
Mr Roberts, with respect dear sir, the scorn which you pour on KT Councillor Morris could, and should also apply to others within the KTC.
Cllr Morris most certainly could not carry out his abuse and his public scorning of members of the public without the connivance and support of those within the hierarchy who control him and the council.

That Mitchell, Tony Wright and others within the cabal publically insult members of the public with impunity, because these members of the public have a courage to express their long fought for democratic rights of being able to question issues of concern, demonstrates to me the KTC hierarchy loathing of free speech, transparency, etc as once again was shown at the disgusting and hypocritical February Council meeting of the KTC.
David Samuels
I will not argue with you there David
[quote][p][bold]samuels david[/bold] wrote: Mr Roberts, with respect dear sir, the scorn which you pour on KT Councillor Morris could, and should also apply to others within the KTC. Cllr Morris most certainly could not carry out his abuse and his public scorning of members of the public without the connivance and support of those within the hierarchy who control him and the council. That Mitchell, Tony Wright and others within the cabal publically insult members of the public with impunity, because these members of the public have a courage to express their long fought for democratic rights of being able to question issues of concern, demonstrates to me the KTC hierarchy loathing of free speech, transparency, etc as once again was shown at the disgusting and hypocritical February Council meeting of the KTC. David Samuels[/p][/quote]I will not argue with you there David Ian-Holt Roberts
  • Score: 2

10:00am Mon 10 Feb 14

Four-O-Clubs says...

Lets face it. KTC is a basket case. Unless the ego driven hierarchy members of Graham 'Norton' Mitchell, Tony 'thrift shop' Wright, Brian 'stonecutter' Morris, Sally 'bling bling' Walker, Michael 'hot hands' Westerman, Peter 'bang bang' Corkingdale and Margaret 'wannabe' Ward resign, the council should disband and hand all allotment duties to Bradford District council. It won't clear the debt of the civic center but if Keighley wants keep some dignity, its got to start cutting the rot out! I'm sure the rot goes much deeper, might as well go for the heart.
Lets face it. KTC is a basket case. Unless the ego driven hierarchy members of Graham 'Norton' Mitchell, Tony 'thrift shop' Wright, Brian 'stonecutter' Morris, Sally 'bling bling' Walker, Michael 'hot hands' Westerman, Peter 'bang bang' Corkingdale and Margaret 'wannabe' Ward resign, the council should disband and hand all allotment duties to Bradford District council. It won't clear the debt of the civic center but if Keighley wants keep some dignity, its got to start cutting the rot out! I'm sure the rot goes much deeper, might as well go for the heart. Four-O-Clubs
  • Score: 4

10:13am Mon 10 Feb 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

Four-O-Clubs wrote:
Lets face it. KTC is a basket case. Unless the ego driven hierarchy members of Graham 'Norton' Mitchell, Tony 'thrift shop' Wright, Brian 'stonecutter' Morris, Sally 'bling bling' Walker, Michael 'hot hands' Westerman, Peter 'bang bang' Corkingdale and Margaret 'wannabe' Ward resign, the council should disband and hand all allotment duties to Bradford District council. It won't clear the debt of the civic center but if Keighley wants keep some dignity, its got to start cutting the rot out! I'm sure the rot goes much deeper, might as well go for the heart.
Superb comments FOC. Well worth a repost. Don't think anyone is going to suggest that you might be a serving councillor with these comments!
[quote][p][bold]Four-O-Clubs[/bold] wrote: Lets face it. KTC is a basket case. Unless the ego driven hierarchy members of Graham 'Norton' Mitchell, Tony 'thrift shop' Wright, Brian 'stonecutter' Morris, Sally 'bling bling' Walker, Michael 'hot hands' Westerman, Peter 'bang bang' Corkingdale and Margaret 'wannabe' Ward resign, the council should disband and hand all allotment duties to Bradford District council. It won't clear the debt of the civic center but if Keighley wants keep some dignity, its got to start cutting the rot out! I'm sure the rot goes much deeper, might as well go for the heart.[/p][/quote]Superb comments FOC. Well worth a repost. Don't think anyone is going to suggest that you might be a serving councillor with these comments! Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 5

12:18pm Mon 10 Feb 14

samuels david says...

Simon Mitchell, the mental nobodies and misfits of society I believe smarmed their way into the KT Council and took control.

They seemingly did not care about the great economic carnage and credibility of Keighley, including the Worth Valley area that was brought about primarily by their actions of financial ineptitude.

You mention the decrease in the amount of Allotments available to the people of Keighley, sold off to service an increasing debt for an ego mad idea of an illusory project, that basic simple childish logic stated was a ‘no no’, thought up by what I believe, was and still is an incompetent council hierarchy.

Obviously such a situation should never have arisen and wouldn’t have in a well run and open transparent Council, a Council many who believe were and still are, mentally unable to listen to common sense.

In my view the ‘Headless Chicken Syndrome’ was always the prevailing mode of operation within KTC right from the start in 2002.
For instance the Deputy Town Clerk withdrew approx £1340 from the KTC bank account, and then paid sums of money to various ‘artist’ who’d performed at a KTC ‘Event’, but didn’t ask for receipts at the time from these ‘artist’.

While this is just one of many incidents of the past I hope to be bring to the attention of the Audit Commission, others such as a sum £408 for booze, given unknowingly, by Keighley precept payers as a ‘thank you’ to PAID ‘artist’ at an event, is another of the many inappropriate uses of precept monies needing, I believe to be viewed.

That the same policies of incompetence are continuing does not in any way surprise me at all, and such incompetence I suggest may all be laid at the door of the clique possibly headed by an incompetent buffoon.

So Joyce Newton and others allied I suspect to KTC, do let's take a deep breath, as you suggest, and now coldly consider how we can get out of the mess the idiots within KTC got Keighley into.

David Samuels
Simon Mitchell, the mental nobodies and misfits of society I believe smarmed their way into the KT Council and took control. They seemingly did not care about the great economic carnage and credibility of Keighley, including the Worth Valley area that was brought about primarily by their actions of financial ineptitude. You mention the decrease in the amount of Allotments available to the people of Keighley, sold off to service an increasing debt for an ego mad idea of an illusory project, that basic simple childish logic stated was a ‘no no’, thought up by what I believe, was and still is an incompetent council hierarchy. Obviously such a situation should never have arisen and wouldn’t have in a well run and open transparent Council, a Council many who believe were and still are, mentally unable to listen to common sense. In my view the ‘Headless Chicken Syndrome’ was always the prevailing mode of operation within KTC right from the start in 2002. For instance the Deputy Town Clerk withdrew approx £1340 from the KTC bank account, and then paid sums of money to various ‘artist’ who’d performed at a KTC ‘Event’, but didn’t ask for receipts at the time from these ‘artist’. While this is just one of many incidents of the past I hope to be bring to the attention of the Audit Commission, others such as a sum £408 for booze, given unknowingly, by Keighley precept payers as a ‘thank you’ to PAID ‘artist’ at an event, is another of the many inappropriate uses of precept monies needing, I believe to be viewed. That the same policies of incompetence are continuing does not in any way surprise me at all, and such incompetence I suggest may all be laid at the door of the clique possibly headed by an incompetent buffoon. So Joyce Newton and others allied I suspect to KTC, do let's take a deep breath, as you suggest, and now coldly consider how we can get out of the mess the idiots within KTC got Keighley into. David Samuels samuels david
  • Score: 3

12:36pm Mon 10 Feb 14

samuels david says...

PS Simon, you seen able to upset the highley educated Mark Pullen, without even trying. What's your gift, and will you share it with others all over the world?
David Samuels
PS Simon, you seen able to upset the highley educated Mark Pullen, without even trying. What's your gift, and will you share it with others all over the world? David Samuels samuels david
  • Score: 2

12:37pm Mon 10 Feb 14

MarkPullen says...

samuels david wrote:
PS Simon, you seen able to upset the highley educated Mark Pullen, without even trying. What's your gift, and will you share it with others all over the world?
David Samuels
Such a good comment you've even cut and pasted it from another entry! ;-)
[quote][p][bold]samuels david[/bold] wrote: PS Simon, you seen able to upset the highley educated Mark Pullen, without even trying. What's your gift, and will you share it with others all over the world? David Samuels[/p][/quote]Such a good comment you've even cut and pasted it from another entry! ;-) MarkPullen
  • Score: -4

3:39pm Mon 10 Feb 14

samuels david says...

Mark Pullen. I'm so pleased that at long last, I've written something that meets with your approval it's made my year, and proved to your many doubtful cynics that you do have taste, somewhat may I say, higher than that of KTC.

David Samuels
Mark Pullen. I'm so pleased that at long last, I've written something that meets with your approval it's made my year, and proved to your many doubtful cynics that you do have taste, somewhat may I say, higher than that of KTC. David Samuels samuels david
  • Score: 2

3:40pm Mon 10 Feb 14

MarkPullen says...

samuels david wrote:
Mark Pullen. I'm so pleased that at long last, I've written something that meets with your approval it's made my year, and proved to your many doubtful cynics that you do have taste, somewhat may I say, higher than that of KTC.

David Samuels
That isn't too difficult to achieve!
[quote][p][bold]samuels david[/bold] wrote: Mark Pullen. I'm so pleased that at long last, I've written something that meets with your approval it's made my year, and proved to your many doubtful cynics that you do have taste, somewhat may I say, higher than that of KTC. David Samuels[/p][/quote]That isn't too difficult to achieve! MarkPullen
  • Score: -1

8:18pm Mon 10 Feb 14

OUT WITH CAVETOWN says...

Ian-Holt Roberts wrote:
OUT WITH CAVETOWN wrote:
samuels david wrote:
Morris and his ilk, under what I believe are their delusions of grandeur are seeming silent after the many gaffs they have made in Council and in the postings on these pages, all sunk like lead balloons!
Could it be that a ‘Most Divine Being’ has commanded the Neanderthal thugs not to try to defend their own dim-witted and imprudent attack on those members of the public who dared to criticise the Holy metaphor that is KTC?
Does the silence mean the gobbledygook, claptrap, and garbage communications from the ivory and gold plated money printing palace, the Civic Centre, has at last been realised by the ‘foot in the mouth’ brigade to be an ill advised communiqué , now recognised by the Keighley public as a failing ploy to drown out the financial catastrophe the KTC has caused.
Even one of the more lucid and articulated councillors admitted to me after the last monthly meeting that to demonstrate some slight remorse to the public the KTC hierarchy could have cut this 2014/15 precept by 50%, just by a determined attack on expenditure, but as he stated to me, ‘they have no idea at all on how to approach and implement the subject of a drastic cost cutting!’
Maybe the ‘Most Divine Being’ could open the divine eyes from his long sleep, stop writing published dictates for others, which are then soundly ridiculed at the oblique profanity in the communication, and think for once about altering the financial course for Keighley, and its credibility. Just a thought if the ‘Most Divine Being’ has lost the ability to have just one thought!
David Samuels
I see the wheel is spinning, but the hamster looks dead.
MORRIS you are wrong to identify yourself as an hamster you are being unfair to hamsters,to assist you in identifying a name more appropriate to your appearance and intelligence please feel free to select from the following halitosis breath,slime ball ,town idiot,Brian no brain ,crumpled attire ,the blob,unwanted .waste of space,the list is endless and does not insult the animal life .
Now if those insults had been posted in reference to a Cavetowner what would have been the outcome, A recent cartoon on the Cavetown Facebook Group showing flames inside the Civic Centre ?, WHAT'S THE MEANING OF THAT ?.
[quote][p][bold]Ian-Holt Roberts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OUT WITH CAVETOWN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]samuels david[/bold] wrote: Morris and his ilk, under what I believe are their delusions of grandeur are seeming silent after the many gaffs they have made in Council and in the postings on these pages, all sunk like lead balloons! Could it be that a ‘Most Divine Being’ has commanded the Neanderthal thugs not to try to defend their own dim-witted and imprudent attack on those members of the public who dared to criticise the Holy metaphor that is KTC? Does the silence mean the gobbledygook, claptrap, and garbage communications from the ivory and gold plated money printing palace, the Civic Centre, has at last been realised by the ‘foot in the mouth’ brigade to be an ill advised communiqué , now recognised by the Keighley public as a failing ploy to drown out the financial catastrophe the KTC has caused. Even one of the more lucid and articulated councillors admitted to me after the last monthly meeting that to demonstrate some slight remorse to the public the KTC hierarchy could have cut this 2014/15 precept by 50%, just by a determined attack on expenditure, but as he stated to me, ‘they have no idea at all on how to approach and implement the subject of a drastic cost cutting!’ Maybe the ‘Most Divine Being’ could open the divine eyes from his long sleep, stop writing published dictates for others, which are then soundly ridiculed at the oblique profanity in the communication, and think for once about altering the financial course for Keighley, and its credibility. Just a thought if the ‘Most Divine Being’ has lost the ability to have just one thought! David Samuels[/p][/quote]I see the wheel is spinning, but the hamster looks dead.[/p][/quote]MORRIS you are wrong to identify yourself as an hamster you are being unfair to hamsters,to assist you in identifying a name more appropriate to your appearance and intelligence please feel free to select from the following halitosis breath,slime ball ,town idiot,Brian no brain ,crumpled attire ,the blob,unwanted .waste of space,the list is endless and does not insult the animal life .[/p][/quote]Now if those insults had been posted in reference to a Cavetowner what would have been the outcome, A recent cartoon on the Cavetown Facebook Group showing flames inside the Civic Centre ?, WHAT'S THE MEANING OF THAT ?. OUT WITH CAVETOWN
  • Score: -4

2:21am Tue 11 Feb 14

Four-O-Clubs says...

With a name like OUT WITH CAVETOWN, one can only assume he is a a hierachy councillor, a councillor(or prospective councillor) supporting the hierachy or family/friend of a hierachy councillor. What ever the case it's a pretty lame attempt to sway public opinion. Face it OWC, your cause is lost. Even google thinks so. Type keighley town council into google and in the related searches it has keighley town council allotments, keighley town council filming, keighley town councillors, allan parry keighley town council. Intresting choice of topics from google. I know the only tactic left for you is to make the cavetown group seem like the bad guys here, but you don't have to be a genius to work out thats not right.
With a name like OUT WITH CAVETOWN, one can only assume he is a a hierachy councillor, a councillor(or prospective councillor) supporting the hierachy or family/friend of a hierachy councillor. What ever the case it's a pretty lame attempt to sway public opinion. Face it OWC, your cause is lost. Even google thinks so. Type keighley town council into google and in the related searches it has keighley town council allotments, keighley town council filming, keighley town councillors, allan parry keighley town council. Intresting choice of topics from google. I know the only tactic left for you is to make the cavetown group seem like the bad guys here, but you don't have to be a genius to work out thats not right. Four-O-Clubs
  • Score: 7

7:21am Tue 11 Feb 14

Graham Forsyth says...

OUT WITH CAVETOWN says...
“A recent cartoon on the Cavetown Facebook Group showing flames inside the Civic Centre ?, WHAT'S THE MEANING OF THAT ?”

Going from your comment OWC, we can defiantly rule out that you are not an investigator as your observational skills appear to be somewhat lacking. For those who take the time to attend council meetings and see for themselves the farce that takes place, which are held in the Town Hall on Bow Street, not the loss making civic centre on North Street, they would have easily recognised the ` elevated public gallery` in the cartoon depicts the `elevated public gallery` in the council chamber within the Town Hall building. I would suggest OWC you at least try to attain a little knowledge about KTC so at least to give a partial impression you know what you are commenting on, otherwise you may make yourself look foolish and clueless. And looking foolish and clueless may have some believe your a councillor.

The cartoon flames in the cartoon council chamber within the cartoon Town Hall, just to remind you again where the cartoon is based, and the cartoon fireman being cut short in his speech by the cartoon mayor, is a satirical take on how Mrs Elizabeth Mitchell, when speaking at the last full council meeting, coming to the end of her speech which ended with reference to the late Cllr Brian Hudson who's funeral service some of us had attended that very day, the mayor, Cllr Sally Walker, interrupted Mrs Mitchell to remind her the five minutes speaking time was now up. The cartoon was to depict how the five minutes speaking time had to be adhered to no matter what was actually taking place, hence the KEIGHLEY TOWN COUNCIL, DEVOID OF SENSE AND SENSIBILITY which accompanied the cartoon.

From your posting it would suggest two things, either you have access to our Facebook Group in which you can personally see the cartoons, or, someone with access is describing the cartoons to you. As the latest cartoon depicted an individual with his head inserted into his lower orifice, and you have not made comment asking `what's the meaning of that,` are we to take it you can at least understand that level of satire, or you have not yet seen, or been told ,about that particular cartoon?

Tick Tock
OUT WITH CAVETOWN says... “A recent cartoon on the Cavetown Facebook Group showing flames inside the Civic Centre ?, WHAT'S THE MEANING OF THAT ?” Going from your comment OWC, we can defiantly rule out that you are not an investigator as your observational skills appear to be somewhat lacking. For those who take the time to attend council meetings and see for themselves the farce that takes place, which are held in the Town Hall on Bow Street, not the loss making civic centre on North Street, they would have easily recognised the ` elevated public gallery` in the cartoon depicts the `elevated public gallery` in the council chamber within the Town Hall building. I would suggest OWC you at least try to attain a little knowledge about KTC so at least to give a partial impression you know what you are commenting on, otherwise you may make yourself look foolish and clueless. And looking foolish and clueless may have some believe your a councillor. The cartoon flames in the cartoon council chamber within the cartoon Town Hall, just to remind you again where the cartoon is based, and the cartoon fireman being cut short in his speech by the cartoon mayor, is a satirical take on how Mrs Elizabeth Mitchell, when speaking at the last full council meeting, coming to the end of her speech which ended with reference to the late Cllr Brian Hudson who's funeral service some of us had attended that very day, the mayor, Cllr Sally Walker, interrupted Mrs Mitchell to remind her the five minutes speaking time was now up. The cartoon was to depict how the five minutes speaking time had to be adhered to no matter what was actually taking place, hence the KEIGHLEY TOWN COUNCIL, DEVOID OF SENSE AND SENSIBILITY which accompanied the cartoon. From your posting it would suggest two things, either you have access to our Facebook Group in which you can personally see the cartoons, or, someone with access is describing the cartoons to you. As the latest cartoon depicted an individual with his head inserted into his lower orifice, and you have not made comment asking `what's the meaning of that,` are we to take it you can at least understand that level of satire, or you have not yet seen, or been told ,about that particular cartoon? Tick Tock Graham Forsyth
  • Score: 4

8:00am Tue 11 Feb 14

Ian-Holt Roberts says...

Graham Forsyth wrote:
OUT WITH CAVETOWN says...
“A recent cartoon on the Cavetown Facebook Group showing flames inside the Civic Centre ?, WHAT'S THE MEANING OF THAT ?”

Going from your comment OWC, we can defiantly rule out that you are not an investigator as your observational skills appear to be somewhat lacking. For those who take the time to attend council meetings and see for themselves the farce that takes place, which are held in the Town Hall on Bow Street, not the loss making civic centre on North Street, they would have easily recognised the ` elevated public gallery` in the cartoon depicts the `elevated public gallery` in the council chamber within the Town Hall building. I would suggest OWC you at least try to attain a little knowledge about KTC so at least to give a partial impression you know what you are commenting on, otherwise you may make yourself look foolish and clueless. And looking foolish and clueless may have some believe your a councillor.

The cartoon flames in the cartoon council chamber within the cartoon Town Hall, just to remind you again where the cartoon is based, and the cartoon fireman being cut short in his speech by the cartoon mayor, is a satirical take on how Mrs Elizabeth Mitchell, when speaking at the last full council meeting, coming to the end of her speech which ended with reference to the late Cllr Brian Hudson who's funeral service some of us had attended that very day, the mayor, Cllr Sally Walker, interrupted Mrs Mitchell to remind her the five minutes speaking time was now up. The cartoon was to depict how the five minutes speaking time had to be adhered to no matter what was actually taking place, hence the KEIGHLEY TOWN COUNCIL, DEVOID OF SENSE AND SENSIBILITY which accompanied the cartoon.

From your posting it would suggest two things, either you have access to our Facebook Group in which you can personally see the cartoons, or, someone with access is describing the cartoons to you. As the latest cartoon depicted an individual with his head inserted into his lower orifice, and you have not made comment asking `what's the meaning of that,` are we to take it you can at least understand that level of satire, or you have not yet seen, or been told ,about that particular cartoon?

Tick Tock
Graham OWC PS NONE OTHER THAN CLOWN MORRIS BADGERGATE IS NO MORE AND NTCC WAS NOT MAKING ANY IMPACT AS FAR AS UNDERSTANDING SATIRE HE LIKE ANY LISTENING TO HIMSELF SPEAKING DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING SAID .HE HAS ACCESS TO OUR SITE SO FEEL FREE TO COMMENT ON HIM ON CAVETOWN AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE /
[quote][p][bold]Graham Forsyth[/bold] wrote: OUT WITH CAVETOWN says... “A recent cartoon on the Cavetown Facebook Group showing flames inside the Civic Centre ?, WHAT'S THE MEANING OF THAT ?” Going from your comment OWC, we can defiantly rule out that you are not an investigator as your observational skills appear to be somewhat lacking. For those who take the time to attend council meetings and see for themselves the farce that takes place, which are held in the Town Hall on Bow Street, not the loss making civic centre on North Street, they would have easily recognised the ` elevated public gallery` in the cartoon depicts the `elevated public gallery` in the council chamber within the Town Hall building. I would suggest OWC you at least try to attain a little knowledge about KTC so at least to give a partial impression you know what you are commenting on, otherwise you may make yourself look foolish and clueless. And looking foolish and clueless may have some believe your a councillor. The cartoon flames in the cartoon council chamber within the cartoon Town Hall, just to remind you again where the cartoon is based, and the cartoon fireman being cut short in his speech by the cartoon mayor, is a satirical take on how Mrs Elizabeth Mitchell, when speaking at the last full council meeting, coming to the end of her speech which ended with reference to the late Cllr Brian Hudson who's funeral service some of us had attended that very day, the mayor, Cllr Sally Walker, interrupted Mrs Mitchell to remind her the five minutes speaking time was now up. The cartoon was to depict how the five minutes speaking time had to be adhered to no matter what was actually taking place, hence the KEIGHLEY TOWN COUNCIL, DEVOID OF SENSE AND SENSIBILITY which accompanied the cartoon. From your posting it would suggest two things, either you have access to our Facebook Group in which you can personally see the cartoons, or, someone with access is describing the cartoons to you. As the latest cartoon depicted an individual with his head inserted into his lower orifice, and you have not made comment asking `what's the meaning of that,` are we to take it you can at least understand that level of satire, or you have not yet seen, or been told ,about that particular cartoon? Tick Tock[/p][/quote]Graham OWC PS NONE OTHER THAN CLOWN MORRIS BADGERGATE IS NO MORE AND NTCC WAS NOT MAKING ANY IMPACT AS FAR AS UNDERSTANDING SATIRE HE LIKE ANY LISTENING TO HIMSELF SPEAKING DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING SAID .HE HAS ACCESS TO OUR SITE SO FEEL FREE TO COMMENT ON HIM ON CAVETOWN AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE / Ian-Holt Roberts
  • Score: 2

6:44am Wed 12 Feb 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

As Out With Cavetown is bringing up posts made in the Cavetown FB Group-,I wonder why he hasn't brought up this recent addition.
A quote from Tony Benn-

ASK THE POWERFUL FIVE QUESTIONS

WHAT POWER HAVE YOU GOT?
WHERE DID YOU GET IT FROM?
IN WHOSE INTERESTS DO YOU YOU EXERCISE IT?
TO WHOM ARE YOU ACCOUNTABLE?
HOW CAN WE GET RID OF YOU?

ONLY DEMOCRACY GIVES US THAT RIGHT. THAT IS WHY NO-ONE WITH POWER LIKES DEMOCRACY AND THAT IS WHY EVERY GENERATION MUST STRUGGLE TO WIN IT AND KEEP IT – INCLUDING YOU AND ME HERE AND NOW.

I find this quote extremely relevant to the issue with KTC adn also find the answers go along way to explain why the Elite group at Keighly Town council have maintained their year long campaign of threats and abuse towards members of the Public.

WHAT POWER HAVE YOU GOT?
The General Power of Competence. Which Pretty much allows councils such as KTC to Act in any manner they please.

WHERE DID YOU GET IT FROM?
The Government via the Localism Act.

IN WHOSE INTERESTS DO YOU YOU EXERCISE IT?
Purely in the interests of the council and it's members and staff.
As can be seen by what little the council spends on the Areas and People of Keighley compared to the vast amounts on debts and expenses run up by the council.
TO WHOM ARE YOU ACCOUNTABLE?
The Electorate. The ones who are referred to as Mad Swivel Eyed Loons by councillor Mitchell, Raving Lunatics and Blackshirts by councillor Wright and Facists and D ick heads by Brother Brian Morris.

HOW CAN WE GET RID OF YOU?
Raise concerns with External Authorities such as the DCLG, ICO and of course the External Auditors.
Wait until the next Elections and hope you are voted out.

As Tony Benn says- No one with Power likes Democracy. The Elite Few at KTC have certainly done their utmost to prove this statement.

Tick Tock
Simon
As Out With Cavetown is bringing up posts made in the Cavetown FB Group-,I wonder why he hasn't brought up this recent addition. A quote from Tony Benn- ASK THE POWERFUL FIVE QUESTIONS WHAT POWER HAVE YOU GOT? WHERE DID YOU GET IT FROM? IN WHOSE INTERESTS DO YOU YOU EXERCISE IT? TO WHOM ARE YOU ACCOUNTABLE? HOW CAN WE GET RID OF YOU? ONLY DEMOCRACY GIVES US THAT RIGHT. THAT IS WHY NO-ONE WITH POWER LIKES DEMOCRACY AND THAT IS WHY EVERY GENERATION MUST STRUGGLE TO WIN IT AND KEEP IT – INCLUDING YOU AND ME HERE AND NOW. I find this quote extremely relevant to the issue with KTC adn also find the answers go along way to explain why the Elite group at Keighly Town council have maintained their year long campaign of threats and abuse towards members of the Public. WHAT POWER HAVE YOU GOT? The General Power of Competence. Which Pretty much allows councils such as KTC to Act in any manner they please. WHERE DID YOU GET IT FROM? The Government via the Localism Act. IN WHOSE INTERESTS DO YOU YOU EXERCISE IT? Purely in the interests of the council and it's members and staff. As can be seen by what little the council spends on the Areas and People of Keighley compared to the vast amounts on debts and expenses run up by the council. TO WHOM ARE YOU ACCOUNTABLE? The Electorate. The ones who are referred to as Mad Swivel Eyed Loons by councillor Mitchell, Raving Lunatics and Blackshirts by councillor Wright and Facists and D ick heads by Brother Brian Morris. HOW CAN WE GET RID OF YOU? Raise concerns with External Authorities such as the DCLG, ICO and of course the External Auditors. Wait until the next Elections and hope you are voted out. As Tony Benn says- No one with Power likes Democracy. The Elite Few at KTC have certainly done their utmost to prove this statement. Tick Tock Simon Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 6

9:50am Wed 12 Feb 14

samuels david says...

Mr Roberts, please don't be too hard on KTC hierarchy Councillors and Storm Troopers. That all live in a fantasy world of total denial and/or are Councillors or are connected with members of the KTC hierarchy is obvious from reading their comments, posted on these sites.
Many have so little comprehension of life or morals, and most, I suspect do not even understand what a potatoes is only that they can be made into chips.

That official KTC documents indicating possible financial misdemeanours or even criminal issues is impossible to explain to these people. The same glazed look of incredulity would be on the face of a rabbit as you tried to explain to the rabbit the rules of football.
Incomprehensible replies or insults is all these people have available as answers.

Logic to these people was sadly not made available in the DNA handed down by past ancestors. The learning capacity switch was placed in the off position at birth in these Councillors and Storm Troopers,

David Samuels
Mr Roberts, please don't be too hard on KTC hierarchy Councillors and Storm Troopers. That all live in a fantasy world of total denial and/or are Councillors or are connected with members of the KTC hierarchy is obvious from reading their comments, posted on these sites. Many have so little comprehension of life or morals, and most, I suspect do not even understand what a potatoes is only that they can be made into chips. That official KTC documents indicating possible financial misdemeanours or even criminal issues is impossible to explain to these people. The same glazed look of incredulity would be on the face of a rabbit as you tried to explain to the rabbit the rules of football. Incomprehensible replies or insults is all these people have available as answers. Logic to these people was sadly not made available in the DNA handed down by past ancestors. The learning capacity switch was placed in the off position at birth in these Councillors and Storm Troopers, David Samuels samuels david
  • Score: 3

9:50am Wed 12 Feb 14

Graham Forsyth says...

Well said Simon Mitchell. And there's more on the less than democratic KTC

K.N. 11th March 2010

"The continuing debate over the price of democracy involving Keighley Town Council has taken yet another bizarre twist.
It comes via comments by one of the leading members of the council Tony Wright, chairman of the strategy and policy committee, writing in the latest edition of the town council’s magazine. He makes a valid point in that there should be financial help from other government sources to cover the cost of local by-elections - currently put at £10,000 a time.
He has thrown his hat in the ring with those members who want a change in the law to stop what he calls vexatious party political moves to call by-elections. He believes such moves have no place at town council and parish level.
He then goes on to lose the plot. He reckons an answer should be the introduction of a vetting system under which those signing to call for a by-election would be open to challenge. If they are adjudged to be political activists with an axe to grind they would be rejected.
If however they have no provable political affiliations then that is fine. What on earth does that mean?
Is he going to ask current and prospective members to sign a declaration on their political affiliations? Why not go the whole hog and see if they have any religious beliefs or medical conditions which may affect the operation of the council? "


K.N. 19th May 2011

"Bradford Council legal advisor Tony Kilner has set out a route map for Keighley’s town councillors to follow. It is solid, wholesome advice which should be followed.
At a meeting of the town council he reminded the councillors of the major responsibility associated with being in public office and how representatives should aim to conduct themselves. "

"It is still a matter of great regret that this council, while urging transparency, has a code which controls the flow of news and information.
By agreeing to that part of the code councillors have slapped freedom of expression in the face."

K.N 6th September 2012
"At its meeting tonight, the full council has been asked to vote on recommendations to remove Councillor Brian Hudson from the planning committee and Coun Geraldine Stack from the finance committee.
The councillors say they understand it is because they were involved in making public a set of council financial documents marked ‘confidential’. These documents related to the finances of the new civic centre, in North Street, and their contents were publicised in the Keighley News in July.
Coun Stack described the recommendations as a “witch hunt”, while Coun Hudson said the town council had become a “dictatorship”.

Tick Tock
Well said Simon Mitchell. And there's more on the less than democratic KTC K.N. 11th March 2010 "The continuing debate over the price of democracy involving Keighley Town Council has taken yet another bizarre twist. It comes via comments by one of the leading members of the council Tony Wright, chairman of the strategy and policy committee, writing in the latest edition of the town council’s magazine. He makes a valid point in that there should be financial help from other government sources to cover the cost of local by-elections - currently put at £10,000 a time. He has thrown his hat in the ring with those members who want a change in the law to stop what he calls vexatious party political moves to call by-elections. He believes such moves have no place at town council and parish level. He then goes on to lose the plot. He reckons an answer should be the introduction of a vetting system under which those signing to call for a by-election would be open to challenge. If they are adjudged to be political activists with an axe to grind they would be rejected. If however they have no provable political affiliations then that is fine. What on earth does that mean? Is he going to ask current and prospective members to sign a declaration on their political affiliations? Why not go the whole hog and see if they have any religious beliefs or medical conditions which may affect the operation of the council? " K.N. 19th May 2011 "Bradford Council legal advisor Tony Kilner has set out a route map for Keighley’s town councillors to follow. It is solid, wholesome advice which should be followed. At a meeting of the town council he reminded the councillors of the major responsibility associated with being in public office and how representatives should aim to conduct themselves. " "It is still a matter of great regret that this council, while urging transparency, has a code which controls the flow of news and information. By agreeing to that part of the code councillors have slapped freedom of expression in the face." K.N 6th September 2012 "At its meeting tonight, the full council has been asked to vote on recommendations to remove Councillor Brian Hudson from the planning committee and Coun Geraldine Stack from the finance committee. The councillors say they understand it is because they were involved in making public a set of council financial documents marked ‘confidential’. These documents related to the finances of the new civic centre, in North Street, and their contents were publicised in the Keighley News in July. Coun Stack described the recommendations as a “witch hunt”, while Coun Hudson said the town council had become a “dictatorship”. Tick Tock Graham Forsyth
  • Score: 5

12:10pm Wed 12 Feb 14

samuels david says...

Mr Forsyth: What nice people,(not!) we have as councillors on KTC.
One word of truth and you're out, and people in this Country condemn Russian and North Korea for being totalitarian states.
The KTC hierarchy and storm troopers are learning fast from these tyrannous people with their little ‘Red Books’ of hatred of the truth.
I will assume that their home life is solitary and barren of animation and sparkle which why I believe is they attack people, such as yourself, Simon Mitchell, Mrs Mitchell, Mr Roberts and anybody else, (including me!) who has ever had a thought for others in this world!

David Samuels
Mr Forsyth: What nice people,(not!) we have as councillors on KTC. One word of truth and you're out, and people in this Country condemn Russian and North Korea for being totalitarian states. The KTC hierarchy and storm troopers are learning fast from these tyrannous people with their little ‘Red Books’ of hatred of the truth. I will assume that their home life is solitary and barren of animation and sparkle which why I believe is they attack people, such as yourself, Simon Mitchell, Mrs Mitchell, Mr Roberts and anybody else, (including me!) who has ever had a thought for others in this world! David Samuels samuels david
  • Score: 3

12:16pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Ian-Holt Roberts says...

samuels david wrote:
Mr Roberts, please don't be too hard on KTC hierarchy Councillors and Storm Troopers. That all live in a fantasy world of total denial and/or are Councillors or are connected with members of the KTC hierarchy is obvious from reading their comments, posted on these sites.
Many have so little comprehension of life or morals, and most, I suspect do not even understand what a potatoes is only that they can be made into chips.

That official KTC documents indicating possible financial misdemeanours or even criminal issues is impossible to explain to these people. The same glazed look of incredulity would be on the face of a rabbit as you tried to explain to the rabbit the rules of football.
Incomprehensible replies or insults is all these people have available as answers.

Logic to these people was sadly not made available in the DNA handed down by past ancestors. The learning capacity switch was placed in the off position at birth in these Councillors and Storm Troopers,

David Samuels
David how on earth you tolerated these people for so long is beyond me ,I have a natural resentment to authority which started with teachers and then moved on to the police ,magistrates.politic
ians in particular Tory, this now includes councilors .I fell unclean just being in the presence of the majority of them .the education they have received as been overshadowed by their natural born gift of being stupid .Stupid is only a six letter word and you could find a longer word that some's them up, but it would be a waste of letters six is just about right
[quote][p][bold]samuels david[/bold] wrote: Mr Roberts, please don't be too hard on KTC hierarchy Councillors and Storm Troopers. That all live in a fantasy world of total denial and/or are Councillors or are connected with members of the KTC hierarchy is obvious from reading their comments, posted on these sites. Many have so little comprehension of life or morals, and most, I suspect do not even understand what a potatoes is only that they can be made into chips. That official KTC documents indicating possible financial misdemeanours or even criminal issues is impossible to explain to these people. The same glazed look of incredulity would be on the face of a rabbit as you tried to explain to the rabbit the rules of football. Incomprehensible replies or insults is all these people have available as answers. Logic to these people was sadly not made available in the DNA handed down by past ancestors. The learning capacity switch was placed in the off position at birth in these Councillors and Storm Troopers, David Samuels[/p][/quote]David how on earth you tolerated these people for so long is beyond me ,I have a natural resentment to authority which started with teachers and then moved on to the police ,magistrates.politic ians in particular Tory, this now includes councilors .I fell unclean just being in the presence of the majority of them .the education they have received as been overshadowed by their natural born gift of being stupid .Stupid is only a six letter word and you could find a longer word that some's them up, but it would be a waste of letters six is just about right Ian-Holt Roberts
  • Score: 3

12:30pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Ian-Holt Roberts says...

samuels david wrote:
Mr Forsyth: What nice people,(not!) we have as councillors on KTC.
One word of truth and you're out, and people in this Country condemn Russian and North Korea for being totalitarian states.
The KTC hierarchy and storm troopers are learning fast from these tyrannous people with their little ‘Red Books’ of hatred of the truth.
I will assume that their home life is solitary and barren of animation and sparkle which why I believe is they attack people, such as yourself, Simon Mitchell, Mrs Mitchell, Mr Roberts and anybody else, (including me!) who has ever had a thought for others in this world!

David Samuels
David you should be very proud that they attack you in the way they do .how would you feel if they were fawning all over you .One thing you can be sure of before we are no more we will have met a lot of nasty people but to counter act this we will have met a few good ones .
[quote][p][bold]samuels david[/bold] wrote: Mr Forsyth: What nice people,(not!) we have as councillors on KTC. One word of truth and you're out, and people in this Country condemn Russian and North Korea for being totalitarian states. The KTC hierarchy and storm troopers are learning fast from these tyrannous people with their little ‘Red Books’ of hatred of the truth. I will assume that their home life is solitary and barren of animation and sparkle which why I believe is they attack people, such as yourself, Simon Mitchell, Mrs Mitchell, Mr Roberts and anybody else, (including me!) who has ever had a thought for others in this world! David Samuels[/p][/quote]David you should be very proud that they attack you in the way they do .how would you feel if they were fawning all over you .One thing you can be sure of before we are no more we will have met a lot of nasty people but to counter act this we will have met a few good ones . Ian-Holt Roberts
  • Score: 1

2:44pm Wed 12 Feb 14

samuels david says...

Mr. Robersts, I am informed that the critic of those who oppose KTC, King Chaser, master of all knowledge in all known worlds of this universe, implies that a lack of education in person is a stigma when it come to recognizing right from wrong, what arrogant supercilious and condescending nonsense he has.
Some of the most educated people in the world who I have met, and I’ve met a number, are sociably ignorant, loud-mouthed, ill-mannered, boorish and definitely unacquainted with the realities of life.
The worst offenders are definitely in the communication industry, education and politics. Yes some of these people can string along a sentence with some aplomb, but with obviously no heart or piety and in most cases the truth which people seek.
For instance, I suspect, that whoever is in charge of Public Relations in the Keighley Council shows that whilst the person with the pen is educated, poorly but nevertheless educated, and can manipulate the exactness of the facts available with language and terminology, he/she has no idea of what integrity or sincerity means, in my view.
Education is a wonderful tool for getting around, but then so is a Camel.
Would I be happy to let King Chaser impart his knowledge to me, have a wild guess Mr.Robertss
Mr. Robersts, I am informed that the critic of those who oppose KTC, King Chaser, master of all knowledge in all known worlds of this universe, implies that a lack of education in person is a stigma when it come to recognizing right from wrong, what arrogant supercilious and condescending nonsense he has. Some of the most educated people in the world who I have met, and I’ve met a number, are sociably ignorant, loud-mouthed, ill-mannered, boorish and definitely unacquainted with the realities of life. The worst offenders are definitely in the communication industry, education and politics. Yes some of these people can string along a sentence with some aplomb, but with obviously no heart or piety and in most cases the truth which people seek. For instance, I suspect, that whoever is in charge of Public Relations in the Keighley Council shows that whilst the person with the pen is educated, poorly but nevertheless educated, and can manipulate the exactness of the facts available with language and terminology, he/she has no idea of what integrity or sincerity means, in my view. Education is a wonderful tool for getting around, but then so is a Camel. Would I be happy to let King Chaser impart his knowledge to me, have a wild guess Mr.Robertss samuels david
  • Score: 2

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