Planners: say yes to energy plants in Keighley

Keighley Central councillor and Lord Mayor of Bradford Khadim Hussain

Keighley Central councillor and Lord Mayor of Bradford Khadim Hussain

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Plans for a £120 million ‘clean energy’ complex in Keighley – which will bring about 500 jobs to the town – are due to be given the green light.

The massive scheme will go before Bradford councillors today, with a recommendation from planners that it be approved.

Officers – in a report to be presented to the regulatory and appeals committee – say the project would regenerate a brownfield site, provide a source of renewable energy and give the area a huge employment boost.

Leading community figures have also welcomed the proposals.

But objections have been raised by residents living close to the site and by the National Trust, which owns nearby East Riddlesden Hall.

Three plants for recycling waste would be constructed on the derelict former gasworks site in Airedale Road, alongside the Aire Valley trunk road at Marley.

The initiative would also include an education and visitor centre, plus a two-storey office building, parking and landscaping.

And a data-storage centre and offices would be built on land in nearby Dalton Lane.

Already-processed commercial and industrial waste would be brought to the plants, which together will be capable of producing 80,000,000 kWh of electricity a year.

Keighley Central councillor and Lord Mayor of Bradford Khadim Hussain said the scheme would be “excellent news” for the town and Bradford district.

“It will be good for the environment, help with the regeneration of the area and create employment,” he added.

Keighley MP Kris Hopkins said: “The Keighley economy has been improving steadily for some time and this scheme has the potential to move the pace of recovery up a gear.

“It has my full support and I hope – if approved – the construction stage can begin as swiftly as possible, creating a great many vital jobs for the area.” But residents living in The Croft, at Thwaites, are concerned about the potential visual impact of the scheme, fumes, noise and health and safety issues.

Julie Wood, who has lived there since the houses were built six years ago, said: “We are all very upset about this.

“The site is about 150 metres away. There is going to be a tower and plume of smoke right in view of every house.

“There will also be a lot of noise and there are safety issues as well.”

The National Trust says despite the applicant – the Halton Group – amending the position of the plant’s proposed chimney stack, the charity remains “extremely concerned” about the potential visual impact of that and the smoke on the 17th century property and its grounds.

Council officers recommend any planning approval should be subject to a Section 106 agreement, by which the trust would receive funding for tree planting.

Agent for the plans, John Steel, of JO Steel Consulting, said: “A very comprehensive report, which addresses all the issues, is going before the committee and we will await the decision of the members.”

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10:33am Thu 3 Apr 14

MarkPullen says...

Kris Hopkins must be mistaken as pjl20 has said on a different thread that the town isn't supporting job creation.
Kris Hopkins must be mistaken as pjl20 has said on a different thread that the town isn't supporting job creation. MarkPullen
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12:06pm Thu 3 Apr 14

G_Firth says...

Keighley has just become a dumping ground for Yorkshire's rubbish as BMDC approves plans that all the other Yorkshire councils rejected.
Not disputing that this will create jobs but at what cost to the town and eco system let alone the actual fact that this is the most expensive way in producing energy.
I only hope that this does not come back to bite the town in the rear end in a big way.
I feel so sorry for those who will have to live with this on their doorstep and from the look of it didn't have their views even considered.
Lets hope that they have flood defences in place as this site is well known for flooding.
Keighley has just become a dumping ground for Yorkshire's rubbish as BMDC approves plans that all the other Yorkshire councils rejected. Not disputing that this will create jobs but at what cost to the town and eco system let alone the actual fact that this is the most expensive way in producing energy. I only hope that this does not come back to bite the town in the rear end in a big way. I feel so sorry for those who will have to live with this on their doorstep and from the look of it didn't have their views even considered. Lets hope that they have flood defences in place as this site is well known for flooding. G_Firth
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10:05am Fri 4 Apr 14

pjl20 says...

Surely this where the residents of Keighley ought to be consulted before a £120 million investment in a waste energy plant is made in area of the town?

Certainly those who live in Thwaites, Worth Village, Riddlseden and perhaps as far away as East Morton, should be consulted too.

The endorsement of Cllr & Lord Mayor Khadim Hussain and Kris Hopkins MP is inadequate.

I also refute the suggestion that the 'Keighley economy has been improving for some time'. When we all know that it hasn't.
Surely this where the residents of Keighley ought to be consulted before a £120 million investment in a waste energy plant is made in area of the town? Certainly those who live in Thwaites, Worth Village, Riddlseden and perhaps as far away as East Morton, should be consulted too. The endorsement of Cllr & Lord Mayor Khadim Hussain and Kris Hopkins MP is inadequate. I also refute the suggestion that the 'Keighley economy has been improving for some time'. When we all know that it hasn't. pjl20
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10:31am Fri 4 Apr 14

MarkPullen says...

pjl20 wrote:
Surely this where the residents of Keighley ought to be consulted before a £120 million investment in a waste energy plant is made in area of the town?

Certainly those who live in Thwaites, Worth Village, Riddlseden and perhaps as far away as East Morton, should be consulted too.

The endorsement of Cllr & Lord Mayor Khadim Hussain and Kris Hopkins MP is inadequate.

I also refute the suggestion that the 'Keighley economy has been improving for some time'. When we all know that it hasn't.
The local residents submitted a petition and the public have the opportunity to support/oppose the application via the current system.

Have you read the objections?
[quote][p][bold]pjl20[/bold] wrote: Surely this where the residents of Keighley ought to be consulted before a £120 million investment in a waste energy plant is made in area of the town? Certainly those who live in Thwaites, Worth Village, Riddlseden and perhaps as far away as East Morton, should be consulted too. The endorsement of Cllr & Lord Mayor Khadim Hussain and Kris Hopkins MP is inadequate. I also refute the suggestion that the 'Keighley economy has been improving for some time'. When we all know that it hasn't.[/p][/quote]The local residents submitted a petition and the public have the opportunity to support/oppose the application via the current system. Have you read the objections? MarkPullen
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2:20pm Sat 5 Apr 14

pjl20 says...

MarkPullen wrote:
pjl20 wrote:
Surely this where the residents of Keighley ought to be consulted before a £120 million investment in a waste energy plant is made in area of the town?

Certainly those who live in Thwaites, Worth Village, Riddlseden and perhaps as far away as East Morton, should be consulted too.

The endorsement of Cllr & Lord Mayor Khadim Hussain and Kris Hopkins MP is inadequate.

I also refute the suggestion that the 'Keighley economy has been improving for some time'. When we all know that it hasn't.
The local residents submitted a petition and the public have the opportunity to support/oppose the application via the current system.

Have you read the objections?
Mr Pullen. This is precisely why I have raised this question.

A full referendum ought to be taking place under the provisions of the Localism Act about this £120 million investment in a waste energy plant.

The reason being is that it will have an impact throughout the area of Keighley and the Airedale Valley. Not just the plant itself, but the trucks transporting waste along the A650 road into the location.

If this had been a 'fracking' plant to extract natural gas from the shale beds beneath much of Northern England, no doubt much louder cries of objection would be heard, from among the local residents.
[quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjl20[/bold] wrote: Surely this where the residents of Keighley ought to be consulted before a £120 million investment in a waste energy plant is made in area of the town? Certainly those who live in Thwaites, Worth Village, Riddlseden and perhaps as far away as East Morton, should be consulted too. The endorsement of Cllr & Lord Mayor Khadim Hussain and Kris Hopkins MP is inadequate. I also refute the suggestion that the 'Keighley economy has been improving for some time'. When we all know that it hasn't.[/p][/quote]The local residents submitted a petition and the public have the opportunity to support/oppose the application via the current system. Have you read the objections?[/p][/quote]Mr Pullen. This is precisely why I have raised this question. A full referendum ought to be taking place under the provisions of the Localism Act about this £120 million investment in a waste energy plant. The reason being is that it will have an impact throughout the area of Keighley and the Airedale Valley. Not just the plant itself, but the trucks transporting waste along the A650 road into the location. If this had been a 'fracking' plant to extract natural gas from the shale beds beneath much of Northern England, no doubt much louder cries of objection would be heard, from among the local residents. pjl20
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9:48pm Sat 5 Apr 14

jimmy k says...

pjl20 wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
pjl20 wrote:
Surely this where the residents of Keighley ought to be consulted before a £120 million investment in a waste energy plant is made in area of the town?

Certainly those who live in Thwaites, Worth Village, Riddlseden and perhaps as far away as East Morton, should be consulted too.

The endorsement of Cllr & Lord Mayor Khadim Hussain and Kris Hopkins MP is inadequate.

I also refute the suggestion that the 'Keighley economy has been improving for some time'. When we all know that it hasn't.
The local residents submitted a petition and the public have the opportunity to support/oppose the application via the current system.

Have you read the objections?
Mr Pullen. This is precisely why I have raised this question.

A full referendum ought to be taking place under the provisions of the Localism Act about this £120 million investment in a waste energy plant.

The reason being is that it will have an impact throughout the area of Keighley and the Airedale Valley. Not just the plant itself, but the trucks transporting waste along the A650 road into the location.

If this had been a 'fracking' plant to extract natural gas from the shale beds beneath much of Northern England, no doubt much louder cries of objection would be heard, from among the local residents.
so your saying local residents are at fault here for not complaining enough?
[quote][p][bold]pjl20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjl20[/bold] wrote: Surely this where the residents of Keighley ought to be consulted before a £120 million investment in a waste energy plant is made in area of the town? Certainly those who live in Thwaites, Worth Village, Riddlseden and perhaps as far away as East Morton, should be consulted too. The endorsement of Cllr & Lord Mayor Khadim Hussain and Kris Hopkins MP is inadequate. I also refute the suggestion that the 'Keighley economy has been improving for some time'. When we all know that it hasn't.[/p][/quote]The local residents submitted a petition and the public have the opportunity to support/oppose the application via the current system. Have you read the objections?[/p][/quote]Mr Pullen. This is precisely why I have raised this question. A full referendum ought to be taking place under the provisions of the Localism Act about this £120 million investment in a waste energy plant. The reason being is that it will have an impact throughout the area of Keighley and the Airedale Valley. Not just the plant itself, but the trucks transporting waste along the A650 road into the location. If this had been a 'fracking' plant to extract natural gas from the shale beds beneath much of Northern England, no doubt much louder cries of objection would be heard, from among the local residents.[/p][/quote]so your saying local residents are at fault here for not complaining enough? jimmy k
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11:21pm Sat 5 Apr 14

MarkPullen says...

pjl20 wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
pjl20 wrote:
Surely this where the residents of Keighley ought to be consulted before a £120 million investment in a waste energy plant is made in area of the town?

Certainly those who live in Thwaites, Worth Village, Riddlseden and perhaps as far away as East Morton, should be consulted too.

The endorsement of Cllr & Lord Mayor Khadim Hussain and Kris Hopkins MP is inadequate.

I also refute the suggestion that the 'Keighley economy has been improving for some time'. When we all know that it hasn't.
The local residents submitted a petition and the public have the opportunity to support/oppose the application via the current system.

Have you read the objections?
Mr Pullen. This is precisely why I have raised this question.

A full referendum ought to be taking place under the provisions of the Localism Act about this £120 million investment in a waste energy plant.

The reason being is that it will have an impact throughout the area of Keighley and the Airedale Valley. Not just the plant itself, but the trucks transporting waste along the A650 road into the location.

If this had been a 'fracking' plant to extract natural gas from the shale beds beneath much of Northern England, no doubt much louder cries of objection would be heard, from among the local residents.
So Joe Public didn't complain (or at least record them formally) - though the story was covered regularly in the media.

Surely this shows the real extent to the feelings of the residents?

It's interesting to see that you would prefer spending thousands of pounds on a referendum and yet now local development plan is in place.

As a member of a party that rejects red tape in Europe you seem to be advocating additional bureaucracy.

Hmmm!
[quote][p][bold]pjl20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjl20[/bold] wrote: Surely this where the residents of Keighley ought to be consulted before a £120 million investment in a waste energy plant is made in area of the town? Certainly those who live in Thwaites, Worth Village, Riddlseden and perhaps as far away as East Morton, should be consulted too. The endorsement of Cllr & Lord Mayor Khadim Hussain and Kris Hopkins MP is inadequate. I also refute the suggestion that the 'Keighley economy has been improving for some time'. When we all know that it hasn't.[/p][/quote]The local residents submitted a petition and the public have the opportunity to support/oppose the application via the current system. Have you read the objections?[/p][/quote]Mr Pullen. This is precisely why I have raised this question. A full referendum ought to be taking place under the provisions of the Localism Act about this £120 million investment in a waste energy plant. The reason being is that it will have an impact throughout the area of Keighley and the Airedale Valley. Not just the plant itself, but the trucks transporting waste along the A650 road into the location. If this had been a 'fracking' plant to extract natural gas from the shale beds beneath much of Northern England, no doubt much louder cries of objection would be heard, from among the local residents.[/p][/quote]So Joe Public didn't complain (or at least record them formally) - though the story was covered regularly in the media. Surely this shows the real extent to the feelings of the residents? It's interesting to see that you would prefer spending thousands of pounds on a referendum and yet now local development plan is in place. As a member of a party that rejects red tape in Europe you seem to be advocating additional bureaucracy. Hmmm! MarkPullen
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11:01am Sun 6 Apr 14

pjl20 says...

jimmy k.

A very odd interpretation you have given to my point.

As for Mark Pullen. He no longer lives anywhere in the area, having deserted the district some while ago.

Mr Pullen. What price do you put on democracy?

A referendum could easily have been combined with an existing election to cover this question of extra cost.

'Clean Energy' - What a euphemism that term is. How will the residents feel who live in the locations I have given, about this new plant. Are they to be allowed some form of democratic expression? No, I didn't think so.
jimmy k. A very odd interpretation you have given to my point. As for Mark Pullen. He no longer lives anywhere in the area, having deserted the district some while ago. Mr Pullen. What price do you put on democracy? A referendum could easily have been combined with an existing election to cover this question of extra cost. 'Clean Energy' - What a euphemism that term is. How will the residents feel who live in the locations I have given, about this new plant. Are they to be allowed some form of democratic expression? No, I didn't think so. pjl20
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6:17pm Sun 6 Apr 14

MarkPullen says...

pjl20 wrote:
jimmy k.

A very odd interpretation you have given to my point.

As for Mark Pullen. He no longer lives anywhere in the area, having deserted the district some while ago.

Mr Pullen. What price do you put on democracy?

A referendum could easily have been combined with an existing election to cover this question of extra cost.

'Clean Energy' - What a euphemism that term is. How will the residents feel who live in the locations I have given, about this new plant. Are they to be allowed some form of democratic expression? No, I didn't think so.
And yet, Paul, BMDC still charge parish councils for the full cost of holding these referendums rather than sharing the costs - but I'm sure you knew this.

You claim that I've "deserted" the area and yet it's strange that I have more involvement now whilst living in another parish then your good self.

It seems that you dismiss my input into matters purely due to my residency and yet have no idea whatsoever whether my status will change.

You hide over the hill in the leafy valley and are so out of touch with the real world which you have no hope of becoming the MP.

Care to wager a on your election in 2015?
If you're confident then name your price.
[quote][p][bold]pjl20[/bold] wrote: jimmy k. A very odd interpretation you have given to my point. As for Mark Pullen. He no longer lives anywhere in the area, having deserted the district some while ago. Mr Pullen. What price do you put on democracy? A referendum could easily have been combined with an existing election to cover this question of extra cost. 'Clean Energy' - What a euphemism that term is. How will the residents feel who live in the locations I have given, about this new plant. Are they to be allowed some form of democratic expression? No, I didn't think so.[/p][/quote]And yet, Paul, BMDC still charge parish councils for the full cost of holding these referendums rather than sharing the costs - but I'm sure you knew this. You claim that I've "deserted" the area and yet it's strange that I have more involvement now whilst living in another parish then your good self. It seems that you dismiss my input into matters purely due to my residency and yet have no idea whatsoever whether my status will change. You hide over the hill in the leafy valley and are so out of touch with the real world which you have no hope of becoming the MP. Care to wager a on your election in 2015? If you're confident then name your price. MarkPullen
  • Score: -2

8:33pm Sun 6 Apr 14

jimmy k says...

pjl i can't see that there can be any other interpretation to your comment,as for saying mark pullen doesn't live in the area in your words "deserting it"what is your point.are you saying nobody who lives outside of the keighley district shouldn't be allowed to comment on these threads?
pjl i can't see that there can be any other interpretation to your comment,as for saying mark pullen doesn't live in the area in your words "deserting it"what is your point.are you saying nobody who lives outside of the keighley district shouldn't be allowed to comment on these threads? jimmy k
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9:52am Mon 7 Apr 14

Kingchaser says...

I thought that PJL's absence for a few weeks had been because he'd been on a 'How to win friends and influence people' course.

Probably not, it seems.
I thought that PJL's absence for a few weeks had been because he'd been on a 'How to win friends and influence people' course. Probably not, it seems. Kingchaser
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9:57am Mon 7 Apr 14

MarkPullen says...

Kingchaser wrote:
I thought that PJL's absence for a few weeks had been because he'd been on a 'How to win friends and influence people' course.

Probably not, it seems.
The guy is away with the fairies on so many levels.

He declares that he has no requirement to electioneer yet as the PPC and still manages to dip his manicured tootsie into the odd story to make a point.

After failing so often to answer genuine questions, provide scaremongering comments, and wander off at leisure, he constantly shows his inadequacies in representing the towns and surrounding areas.

Let's just hope that Ilkley are unlucky enough to elect him to BMDC - at least that'll keep him busy.
[quote][p][bold]Kingchaser[/bold] wrote: I thought that PJL's absence for a few weeks had been because he'd been on a 'How to win friends and influence people' course. Probably not, it seems.[/p][/quote]The guy is away with the fairies on so many levels. He declares that he has no requirement to electioneer yet as the PPC and still manages to dip his manicured tootsie into the odd story to make a point. After failing so often to answer genuine questions, provide scaremongering comments, and wander off at leisure, he constantly shows his inadequacies in representing the towns and surrounding areas. Let's just hope that Ilkley are unlucky enough to elect him to BMDC - at least that'll keep him busy. MarkPullen
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3:14pm Mon 7 Apr 14

pjl20 says...

MarkPullen wrote:
Kingchaser wrote:
I thought that PJL's absence for a few weeks had been because he'd been on a 'How to win friends and influence people' course.

Probably not, it seems.
The guy is away with the fairies on so many levels.

He declares that he has no requirement to electioneer yet as the PPC and still manages to dip his manicured tootsie into the odd story to make a point.

After failing so often to answer genuine questions, provide scaremongering comments, and wander off at leisure, he constantly shows his inadequacies in representing the towns and surrounding areas.

Let's just hope that Ilkley are unlucky enough to elect him to BMDC - at least that'll keep him busy.
Mark Pullen knows how to resort to abuse, as you can see from his posts. Is this how you functioned as a parish councillor Mr Pullen?

The decision is about how the Labour party have chosen to 'spin' this £120 million investment. How can it be possibly be described as being 'clean' when it recycles waste from Bradford ?

The people of Keighley have been lumbered with this plant and the local residents have not been given a democratic vote about this decision to have. Have they?

The answer? On May 22nd vote for the party that opposes this decision in your ward election.
[quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kingchaser[/bold] wrote: I thought that PJL's absence for a few weeks had been because he'd been on a 'How to win friends and influence people' course. Probably not, it seems.[/p][/quote]The guy is away with the fairies on so many levels. He declares that he has no requirement to electioneer yet as the PPC and still manages to dip his manicured tootsie into the odd story to make a point. After failing so often to answer genuine questions, provide scaremongering comments, and wander off at leisure, he constantly shows his inadequacies in representing the towns and surrounding areas. Let's just hope that Ilkley are unlucky enough to elect him to BMDC - at least that'll keep him busy.[/p][/quote]Mark Pullen knows how to resort to abuse, as you can see from his posts. Is this how you functioned as a parish councillor Mr Pullen? The decision is about how the Labour party have chosen to 'spin' this £120 million investment. How can it be possibly be described as being 'clean' when it recycles waste from Bradford ? The people of Keighley have been lumbered with this plant and the local residents have not been given a democratic vote about this decision to have. Have they? The answer? On May 22nd vote for the party that opposes this decision in your ward election. pjl20
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3:27pm Mon 7 Apr 14

MarkPullen says...

pjl20 wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
Kingchaser wrote:
I thought that PJL's absence for a few weeks had been because he'd been on a 'How to win friends and influence people' course.

Probably not, it seems.
The guy is away with the fairies on so many levels.

He declares that he has no requirement to electioneer yet as the PPC and still manages to dip his manicured tootsie into the odd story to make a point.

After failing so often to answer genuine questions, provide scaremongering comments, and wander off at leisure, he constantly shows his inadequacies in representing the towns and surrounding areas.

Let's just hope that Ilkley are unlucky enough to elect him to BMDC - at least that'll keep him busy.
Mark Pullen knows how to resort to abuse, as you can see from his posts. Is this how you functioned as a parish councillor Mr Pullen?

The decision is about how the Labour party have chosen to 'spin' this £120 million investment. How can it be possibly be described as being 'clean' when it recycles waste from Bradford ?

The people of Keighley have been lumbered with this plant and the local residents have not been given a democratic vote about this decision to have. Have they?

The answer? On May 22nd vote for the party that opposes this decision in your ward election.
Do you remember where Haworth is Paul?

So you think my posts offer "abuse" - that's quite interesting considering you're the one who breached the T&Cs of these pages when revealing the true name of a contributor.

If you can't handle my comments, my friend, I suggest you open a tea room and focus more on selecting the cup cakes you'll be serving to the retired gentile.

Maybe you should be focussing your energies on encouraging the local councils to consult on, and deliver, a Neighbourhood Development Plan which will prioritise planning.

Sadly many of the electorate are only engaged once something happens on their own doorstep - in many instances this is too late.

With regards to how I "functioned" as a parish councillor - maybe you should do some homework and study past minutes and talk to the PC to find out whether I was "abusive" or a benefit to the ward I served.

I doubt you've got the test1cles to investigate this further Paul.

Still not willing to have a wager?
[quote][p][bold]pjl20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kingchaser[/bold] wrote: I thought that PJL's absence for a few weeks had been because he'd been on a 'How to win friends and influence people' course. Probably not, it seems.[/p][/quote]The guy is away with the fairies on so many levels. He declares that he has no requirement to electioneer yet as the PPC and still manages to dip his manicured tootsie into the odd story to make a point. After failing so often to answer genuine questions, provide scaremongering comments, and wander off at leisure, he constantly shows his inadequacies in representing the towns and surrounding areas. Let's just hope that Ilkley are unlucky enough to elect him to BMDC - at least that'll keep him busy.[/p][/quote]Mark Pullen knows how to resort to abuse, as you can see from his posts. Is this how you functioned as a parish councillor Mr Pullen? The decision is about how the Labour party have chosen to 'spin' this £120 million investment. How can it be possibly be described as being 'clean' when it recycles waste from Bradford ? The people of Keighley have been lumbered with this plant and the local residents have not been given a democratic vote about this decision to have. Have they? The answer? On May 22nd vote for the party that opposes this decision in your ward election.[/p][/quote]Do you remember where Haworth is Paul? So you think my posts offer "abuse" - that's quite interesting considering you're the one who breached the T&Cs of these pages when revealing the true name of a contributor. If you can't handle my comments, my friend, I suggest you open a tea room and focus more on selecting the cup cakes you'll be serving to the retired gentile. Maybe you should be focussing your energies on encouraging the local councils to consult on, and deliver, a Neighbourhood Development Plan which will prioritise planning. Sadly many of the electorate are only engaged once something happens on their own doorstep - in many instances this is too late. With regards to how I "functioned" as a parish councillor - maybe you should do some homework and study past minutes and talk to the PC to find out whether I was "abusive" or a benefit to the ward I served. I doubt you've got the test1cles to investigate this further Paul. Still not willing to have a wager? MarkPullen
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8:06pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Little Green Man says...

plj20: " How can it be possibly be described as being 'clean' when it recycles waste from Bradford ?"

Is the waste from Bradford somehow dirtier than anyone elses?
plj20: " How can it be possibly be described as being 'clean' when it recycles waste from Bradford ?" Is the waste from Bradford somehow dirtier than anyone elses? Little Green Man
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4:03pm Tue 8 Apr 14

pjl20 says...

Mark Pullen.

You are digging an even bigger hole for yourself if you hadn't but realised it.

My present task is not about Howarth. I leave that to the party candidate for the Worth Valley ward in the forthcoming election.

I am concentrating on the issues within the ward in which I am standing on May 22nd. Which does indeed concern the Bradford Local Plan for 800 new properties to be built upon green belt areas.

Are there no issues for you concern yourself within the district where you now live?

Little Green Man

Is this sentence above lost on you?

How can the plant be described as producing 'clean energy' from Bradford's waste?

The waste is going to come from Bradford is it not, or are you about to reveal something more to us about the source?
Mark Pullen. You are digging an even bigger hole for yourself if you hadn't but realised it. My present task is not about Howarth. I leave that to the party candidate for the Worth Valley ward in the forthcoming election. I am concentrating on the issues within the ward in which I am standing on May 22nd. Which does indeed concern the Bradford Local Plan for 800 new properties to be built upon green belt areas. Are there no issues for you concern yourself within the district where you now live? Little Green Man Is this sentence above lost on you? How can the plant be described as producing 'clean energy' from Bradford's waste? The waste is going to come from Bradford is it not, or are you about to reveal something more to us about the source? pjl20
  • Score: -1

4:12pm Tue 8 Apr 14

MarkPullen says...

pjl20 wrote:
Mark Pullen.

You are digging an even bigger hole for yourself if you hadn't but realised it.

My present task is not about Howarth. I leave that to the party candidate for the Worth Valley ward in the forthcoming election.

I am concentrating on the issues within the ward in which I am standing on May 22nd. Which does indeed concern the Bradford Local Plan for 800 new properties to be built upon green belt areas.

Are there no issues for you concern yourself within the district where you now live?

Little Green Man

Is this sentence above lost on you?

How can the plant be described as producing 'clean energy' from Bradford's waste?

The waste is going to come from Bradford is it not, or are you about to reveal something more to us about the source?
Oops Paul, your hole is bigger than mine (easier to fit your head up it maybe?)

You referred to my former status as a parish councillor of Howarth and I hadn't involved this village in my comments on this thread.

Sadly you talk about your "present task" - shame you feel that an attempt to serve a population is a task rather than a privilege.

Correct me if I'm wrong but your "task" is to be elected to the BMDC to represent Ilkley - surely the proposed development falls outside of the boundary in which you plan on serving? You seem to be keen to jump on the bandwagon of the residents of Stockbridge - those outside your "patch" - and yet dismiss my opinions due to not residing in the area.

Double standards and hypocritical - you'd be a true politician if electable.

Still not willing to take up my wager?
I'll offer you £10 that you won't become the councillor for Ilkley in May - prepared to take me up on it?
[quote][p][bold]pjl20[/bold] wrote: Mark Pullen. You are digging an even bigger hole for yourself if you hadn't but realised it. My present task is not about Howarth. I leave that to the party candidate for the Worth Valley ward in the forthcoming election. I am concentrating on the issues within the ward in which I am standing on May 22nd. Which does indeed concern the Bradford Local Plan for 800 new properties to be built upon green belt areas. Are there no issues for you concern yourself within the district where you now live? Little Green Man Is this sentence above lost on you? How can the plant be described as producing 'clean energy' from Bradford's waste? The waste is going to come from Bradford is it not, or are you about to reveal something more to us about the source?[/p][/quote]Oops Paul, your hole is bigger than mine (easier to fit your head up it maybe?) You referred to my former status as a parish councillor of Howarth [sic] and I hadn't involved this village in my comments on this thread. Sadly you talk about your "present task" - shame you feel that an attempt to serve a population is a task rather than a privilege. Correct me if I'm wrong but your "task" is to be elected to the BMDC to represent Ilkley - surely the proposed development falls outside of the boundary in which you plan on serving? You seem to be keen to jump on the bandwagon of the residents of Stockbridge - those outside your "patch" - and yet dismiss my opinions due to not residing in the area. Double standards and hypocritical - you'd be a true politician if electable. Still not willing to take up my wager? I'll offer you £10 that you won't become the councillor for Ilkley in May - prepared to take me up on it? MarkPullen
  • Score: -2

4:14pm Tue 8 Apr 14

MarkPullen says...

MarkPullen wrote:
pjl20 wrote:
Mark Pullen.

You are digging an even bigger hole for yourself if you hadn't but realised it.

My present task is not about Howarth. I leave that to the party candidate for the Worth Valley ward in the forthcoming election.

I am concentrating on the issues within the ward in which I am standing on May 22nd. Which does indeed concern the Bradford Local Plan for 800 new properties to be built upon green belt areas.

Are there no issues for you concern yourself within the district where you now live?

Little Green Man

Is this sentence above lost on you?

How can the plant be described as producing 'clean energy' from Bradford's waste?

The waste is going to come from Bradford is it not, or are you about to reveal something more to us about the source?
Oops Paul, your hole is bigger than mine (easier to fit your head up it maybe?)

You referred to my former status as a parish councillor of Howarth and I hadn't involved this village in my comments on this thread.

Sadly you talk about your "present task" - shame you feel that an attempt to serve a population is a task rather than a privilege.

Correct me if I'm wrong but your "task" is to be elected to the BMDC to represent Ilkley - surely the proposed development falls outside of the boundary in which you plan on serving? You seem to be keen to jump on the bandwagon of the residents of Stockbridge - those outside your "patch" - and yet dismiss my opinions due to not residing in the area.

Double standards and hypocritical - you'd be a true politician if electable.

Still not willing to take up my wager?
I'll offer you £10 that you won't become the councillor for Ilkley in May - prepared to take me up on it?
Did you see what I did Paul - I copied your misspelling so that you didn't feel like an outsider.

You must be feeling under pressure if you are inferring that I should focus my energies elsewhere - maybe I'll start searching for stories on Ilkley and see what you are up to?
[quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjl20[/bold] wrote: Mark Pullen. You are digging an even bigger hole for yourself if you hadn't but realised it. My present task is not about Howarth. I leave that to the party candidate for the Worth Valley ward in the forthcoming election. I am concentrating on the issues within the ward in which I am standing on May 22nd. Which does indeed concern the Bradford Local Plan for 800 new properties to be built upon green belt areas. Are there no issues for you concern yourself within the district where you now live? Little Green Man Is this sentence above lost on you? How can the plant be described as producing 'clean energy' from Bradford's waste? The waste is going to come from Bradford is it not, or are you about to reveal something more to us about the source?[/p][/quote]Oops Paul, your hole is bigger than mine (easier to fit your head up it maybe?) You referred to my former status as a parish councillor of Howarth [sic] and I hadn't involved this village in my comments on this thread. Sadly you talk about your "present task" - shame you feel that an attempt to serve a population is a task rather than a privilege. Correct me if I'm wrong but your "task" is to be elected to the BMDC to represent Ilkley - surely the proposed development falls outside of the boundary in which you plan on serving? You seem to be keen to jump on the bandwagon of the residents of Stockbridge - those outside your "patch" - and yet dismiss my opinions due to not residing in the area. Double standards and hypocritical - you'd be a true politician if electable. Still not willing to take up my wager? I'll offer you £10 that you won't become the councillor for Ilkley in May - prepared to take me up on it?[/p][/quote]Did you see what I did Paul - I copied your misspelling so that you didn't feel like an outsider. You must be feeling under pressure if you are inferring that I should focus my energies elsewhere - maybe I'll start searching for stories on Ilkley and see what you are up to? MarkPullen
  • Score: -2

5:50pm Tue 8 Apr 14

Little Green Man says...

pjl20 wrote:
Mark Pullen.

You are digging an even bigger hole for yourself if you hadn't but realised it.

My present task is not about Howarth. I leave that to the party candidate for the Worth Valley ward in the forthcoming election.

I am concentrating on the issues within the ward in which I am standing on May 22nd. Which does indeed concern the Bradford Local Plan for 800 new properties to be built upon green belt areas.

Are there no issues for you concern yourself within the district where you now live?

Little Green Man

Is this sentence above lost on you?

How can the plant be described as producing 'clean energy' from Bradford's waste?

The waste is going to come from Bradford is it not, or are you about to reveal something more to us about the source?
Why the hostility? I simply pointed out that it sounded like you were singling out Bradfords waste as being particularly dirty! As for 'clean energy' I don't really know enough about the process to comment - since there are probably hundreds of clean air and emission control directives from the powers that be I would imagine it's fairly clean though. I have nothing to reveal about any source - I simply made a comment, I leave the politics for those with nothing better to do :)
[quote][p][bold]pjl20[/bold] wrote: Mark Pullen. You are digging an even bigger hole for yourself if you hadn't but realised it. My present task is not about Howarth. I leave that to the party candidate for the Worth Valley ward in the forthcoming election. I am concentrating on the issues within the ward in which I am standing on May 22nd. Which does indeed concern the Bradford Local Plan for 800 new properties to be built upon green belt areas. Are there no issues for you concern yourself within the district where you now live? Little Green Man Is this sentence above lost on you? How can the plant be described as producing 'clean energy' from Bradford's waste? The waste is going to come from Bradford is it not, or are you about to reveal something more to us about the source?[/p][/quote]Why the hostility? I simply pointed out that it sounded like you were singling out Bradfords waste as being particularly dirty! As for 'clean energy' I don't really know enough about the process to comment - since there are probably hundreds of clean air and emission control directives from the powers that be I would imagine it's fairly clean though. I have nothing to reveal about any source - I simply made a comment, I leave the politics for those with nothing better to do :) Little Green Man
  • Score: -1

8:49am Wed 9 Apr 14

MarkPullen says...

Apologies if this comment doesn’t directly relate to the story – comments on these pages often slide away from the main subject matter in hand.

I felt it necessary, due to the importance of future elections and the outcomes which will affect Keighley town and surrounding villages, to get it off my chest.

Cut and paste is not, normally, my preferred method.

So UKIP are investing plenty of faith into Paul Latham - pjl20 - in the hope that he will manage to wrest to parliamentary seat from the Conservative party (currently held by Kris Hopkins).

Those reading these comment threads over the last few months may have witnessed evidence first hand the manner in which Paul feels is appropriate when engaging with members of the public.

He has, as some have indicated, willingly turned upon the comments of others which differ to his own without any consideration of the self-righteous image that he is openly developing.

I accept that as I no longer reside within the boundary my personal vote will have no effect on the elections - either local and national - in the Keighley area BUT I still retain strong links and family within the constituency/ward.

Paul manages to, it seems, reduce his chances of election on a regular basis (basically every time he posts) due to his inability to engage in a respectful dialogue with all involved.

I'm sure he'll defend his words as purely a reaction to what others, like myself, write BUT he is the one seeking public approval. Surely one of the characteristics of a successful representative is understanding your own weaknesses and ensuring that you listening to all voices?

He has, in my opinion, often displayed traits that could be seen as unsavoury and demeaning - including the revealing the true ID of a thread contributor (breaching the T&Cs).

On a number of occasions Paul has failed to answer simple and relevant questions relating to sweeping, scaremongering comments - he seems to use the attitude of "I'm not focussed on the Keighley and area yet because I'm trying to seek to represent Ilkley" and yet does still manage to add his opinion to Keighley based items.

I left the area due to family and work reasons - having resided in the Worth Valley for over 40 years I am still passionate about its representation and development for those who work, live, and play in the villages. Keighley is my birthplace - whilst it has its "darker" areas I am not ashamed to admit being connected to the hub.

I've volunteered (and still do) in the community for over 27 years - as a parish councillor I felt great pride in the professional way in which Haworth, Cross Roads, and Stanbury Parish Council operated - and still continue to do so.

People like Paul Latham (pjl20) make comments and statements to try and progress on the political ladder - attention seeking and headline grabbing. The electorate deserve to receive the best politician and refraining from voting, or electing the wrong candidate, will result in a negative outlook for the area.

I personally find this attitude unsavoury and shows a total lack of respect to those who he seeks to represent or those showing an interest in the area. His dismissal in the concern towards residents in the Worth Valley, or their local tier of governance, seems to reflect badly on UKIP and their candidate in May is likely to be affected by such arrogance.

What do I hope to gain by this soapbox sermon?

The answer is simple - when any individual is offered the opportunity to cast their vote they should be fully aware of the candidates motives.

The current system sometimes produces a serious lack of knowledge and relies on self generated flyers praising their ambition - unlikely to also acknowledge the downside to their personality or modus operandi.

I wish that Paul would display a more accepting and engaging conversation on the threads - he obviously has experience having stood (though not elected) in a number of ballots. Instead I've continually witnessed negativity that seems so distant from what should be displayed by a person seeking to be a public servant.

In his defence, there’s a lack of input from elected members on these pages but at least their absence isn’t displaying a lack of respect of others.

What does the future hold for Paul Latham?
Time will tell if Ilkley residents find him, and his attitude, the way forward come May.
Let’s hope that the larger constituency has time to digest the potential disaster which could befall the town in 2015 and ensure that polling day results in him becoming just another “tried but failed” statistic.

P.S. I have no political affiliations whatsoever – I’ve realised that party politics does more damage to the residents / employers than good most of the time. One step closer to Westminster is a stride away from those who count.
Apologies if this comment doesn’t directly relate to the story – comments on these pages often slide away from the main subject matter in hand. I felt it necessary, due to the importance of future elections and the outcomes which will affect Keighley town and surrounding villages, to get it off my chest. Cut and paste is not, normally, my preferred method. So UKIP are investing plenty of faith into Paul Latham - pjl20 - in the hope that he will manage to wrest to parliamentary seat from the Conservative party (currently held by Kris Hopkins). Those reading these comment threads over the last few months may have witnessed evidence first hand the manner in which Paul feels is appropriate when engaging with members of the public. He has, as some have indicated, willingly turned upon the comments of others which differ to his own without any consideration of the self-righteous image that he is openly developing. I accept that as I no longer reside within the boundary my personal vote will have no effect on the elections - either local and national - in the Keighley area BUT I still retain strong links and family within the constituency/ward. Paul manages to, it seems, reduce his chances of election on a regular basis (basically every time he posts) due to his inability to engage in a respectful dialogue with all involved. I'm sure he'll defend his words as purely a reaction to what others, like myself, write BUT he is the one seeking public approval. Surely one of the characteristics of a successful representative is understanding your own weaknesses and ensuring that you listening to all voices? He has, in my opinion, often displayed traits that could be seen as unsavoury and demeaning - including the revealing the true ID of a thread contributor (breaching the T&Cs). On a number of occasions Paul has failed to answer simple and relevant questions relating to sweeping, scaremongering comments - he seems to use the attitude of "I'm not focussed on the Keighley and area yet because I'm trying to seek to represent Ilkley" and yet does still manage to add his opinion to Keighley based items. I left the area due to family and work reasons - having resided in the Worth Valley for over 40 years I am still passionate about its representation and development for those who work, live, and play in the villages. Keighley is my birthplace - whilst it has its "darker" areas I am not ashamed to admit being connected to the hub. I've volunteered (and still do) in the community for over 27 years - as a parish councillor I felt great pride in the professional way in which Haworth, Cross Roads, and Stanbury Parish Council operated - and still continue to do so. People like Paul Latham (pjl20) make comments and statements to try and progress on the political ladder - attention seeking and headline grabbing. The electorate deserve to receive the best politician and refraining from voting, or electing the wrong candidate, will result in a negative outlook for the area. I personally find this attitude unsavoury and shows a total lack of respect to those who he seeks to represent or those showing an interest in the area. His dismissal in the concern towards residents in the Worth Valley, or their local tier of governance, seems to reflect badly on UKIP and their candidate in May is likely to be affected by such arrogance. What do I hope to gain by this soapbox sermon? The answer is simple - when any individual is offered the opportunity to cast their vote they should be fully aware of the candidates motives. The current system sometimes produces a serious lack of knowledge and relies on self generated flyers praising their ambition - unlikely to also acknowledge the downside to their personality or modus operandi. I wish that Paul would display a more accepting and engaging conversation on the threads - he obviously has experience having stood (though not elected) in a number of ballots. Instead I've continually witnessed negativity that seems so distant from what should be displayed by a person seeking to be a public servant. In his defence, there’s a lack of input from elected members on these pages but at least their absence isn’t displaying a lack of respect of others. What does the future hold for Paul Latham? Time will tell if Ilkley residents find him, and his attitude, the way forward come May. Let’s hope that the larger constituency has time to digest the potential disaster which could befall the town in 2015 and ensure that polling day results in him becoming just another “tried but failed” statistic. P.S. I have no political affiliations whatsoever – I’ve realised that party politics does more damage to the residents / employers than good most of the time. One step closer to Westminster is a stride away from those who count. MarkPullen
  • Score: -3

2:45pm Thu 10 Apr 14

pjl20 says...

Mark Pullen seems to think that it is only his opinion that matters.

The above wordy response from him is a good example of how his logic seems to work.

As a candidate in the forthcoming Bradford MDC elections on May 22 and as the adopted party PPC for the Keighley & Ilkley constituency, I naturally have a keen concern for the issues within this whole area, that affect the residents.

First. May I state that I do not have to provide an answer to Mr Pullen on every single point that he raises, most of which seem to be at variance with my own expressed views.

We are not yet in the run up to the 2015 general election in this constituency and I have not yet been asked to produce my formal election address.

A good example of my own opinion is the news that the 'Clean Energy' Plant in the Aire Valley in Keighley, is to be given the green-light.

I have raised the point about whether the local residents have been consulted, especially those who live close to where this new plant is to be located, some of whom are going to be 'down-wind' of it too.

Another page on this website has a further article about the new plant. Several residents have voiced their genuine concerns about how they will be affected by it. I share these concerns.

What surprises me is that Mr Pullen, who no longer lives within the district, has chosen to launch a personal attack upon me?

I am not new to being a political candidate for a party, but I do not recall anyone previously who does not live in this constituency, launching such an attack.

Perhaps Mr Pullen would be brave enough to write to the Editor of the Keighley News listing precisely what his concerns are about me?

So far all I have done is to defend myself from his unnecessary personal criticism. Shame on you Mr Pullen.
Mark Pullen seems to think that it is only his opinion that matters. The above wordy response from him is a good example of how his logic seems to work. As a candidate in the forthcoming Bradford MDC elections on May 22 and as the adopted party PPC for the Keighley & Ilkley constituency, I naturally have a keen concern for the issues within this whole area, that affect the residents. First. May I state that I do not have to provide an answer to Mr Pullen on every single point that he raises, most of which seem to be at variance with my own expressed views. We are not yet in the run up to the 2015 general election in this constituency and I have not yet been asked to produce my formal election address. A good example of my own opinion is the news that the 'Clean Energy' Plant in the Aire Valley in Keighley, is to be given the green-light. I have raised the point about whether the local residents have been consulted, especially those who live close to where this new plant is to be located, some of whom are going to be 'down-wind' of it too. Another page on this website has a further article about the new plant. Several residents have voiced their genuine concerns about how they will be affected by it. I share these concerns. What surprises me is that Mr Pullen, who no longer lives within the district, has chosen to launch a personal attack upon me? I am not new to being a political candidate for a party, but I do not recall anyone previously who does not live in this constituency, launching such an attack. Perhaps Mr Pullen would be brave enough to write to the Editor of the Keighley News listing precisely what his concerns are about me? So far all I have done is to defend myself from his unnecessary personal criticism. Shame on you Mr Pullen. pjl20
  • Score: 1

2:59pm Thu 10 Apr 14

MarkPullen says...

pjl20 wrote:
Mark Pullen seems to think that it is only his opinion that matters.

The above wordy response from him is a good example of how his logic seems to work.

As a candidate in the forthcoming Bradford MDC elections on May 22 and as the adopted party PPC for the Keighley & Ilkley constituency, I naturally have a keen concern for the issues within this whole area, that affect the residents.

First. May I state that I do not have to provide an answer to Mr Pullen on every single point that he raises, most of which seem to be at variance with my own expressed views.

We are not yet in the run up to the 2015 general election in this constituency and I have not yet been asked to produce my formal election address.

A good example of my own opinion is the news that the 'Clean Energy' Plant in the Aire Valley in Keighley, is to be given the green-light.

I have raised the point about whether the local residents have been consulted, especially those who live close to where this new plant is to be located, some of whom are going to be 'down-wind' of it too.

Another page on this website has a further article about the new plant. Several residents have voiced their genuine concerns about how they will be affected by it. I share these concerns.

What surprises me is that Mr Pullen, who no longer lives within the district, has chosen to launch a personal attack upon me?

I am not new to being a political candidate for a party, but I do not recall anyone previously who does not live in this constituency, launching such an attack.

Perhaps Mr Pullen would be brave enough to write to the Editor of the Keighley News listing precisely what his concerns are about me?

So far all I have done is to defend myself from his unnecessary personal criticism. Shame on you Mr Pullen.
Paul - Many thanks for continuing to engage with me on my perceived inadequacies into the quality of your dialogue on these pages.

I will refrain from writing to the editor, as you are eager for me to do, as this only provides you with a more visual means to electioneer.

With regards to the "attacks" - I think you should attempt to recollect the number of times that you have chosen to provide clear evidence of your distain of anybody who challenges your views.

To some extent this is all a irrelevant as even you don't have enough faith in your attempt to be elected in 2015 to agree to my small wager.

No shame on my part Paul - I'm proud and hold my head high to be able to continue to draw you out so that others can witness the sheer negativity and insolence that somebody seeking public office displays.

You've beaten the "no longer lives locally" drum in most responses but does not living locally mean doesn't care?
Why would I stand back and watch you attempt to bring an arrogance to the town?

As you, Paul, seem to like to offer me advice I will reciprocate and suggest that you keep yourself busy over the hill in leafy Ilkley until the day arrives that you care enough about those with a genuine interest in Keighley/Worth Valley.

Have I wished you good luck in May? If not then I hope that the drive home after the count isn't too difficult knowing you've added another attempt/failure to your statistics.
[quote][p][bold]pjl20[/bold] wrote: Mark Pullen seems to think that it is only his opinion that matters. The above wordy response from him is a good example of how his logic seems to work. As a candidate in the forthcoming Bradford MDC elections on May 22 and as the adopted party PPC for the Keighley & Ilkley constituency, I naturally have a keen concern for the issues within this whole area, that affect the residents. First. May I state that I do not have to provide an answer to Mr Pullen on every single point that he raises, most of which seem to be at variance with my own expressed views. We are not yet in the run up to the 2015 general election in this constituency and I have not yet been asked to produce my formal election address. A good example of my own opinion is the news that the 'Clean Energy' Plant in the Aire Valley in Keighley, is to be given the green-light. I have raised the point about whether the local residents have been consulted, especially those who live close to where this new plant is to be located, some of whom are going to be 'down-wind' of it too. Another page on this website has a further article about the new plant. Several residents have voiced their genuine concerns about how they will be affected by it. I share these concerns. What surprises me is that Mr Pullen, who no longer lives within the district, has chosen to launch a personal attack upon me? I am not new to being a political candidate for a party, but I do not recall anyone previously who does not live in this constituency, launching such an attack. Perhaps Mr Pullen would be brave enough to write to the Editor of the Keighley News listing precisely what his concerns are about me? So far all I have done is to defend myself from his unnecessary personal criticism. Shame on you Mr Pullen.[/p][/quote]Paul - Many thanks for continuing to engage with me on my perceived inadequacies into the quality of your dialogue on these pages. I will refrain from writing to the editor, as you are eager for me to do, as this only provides you with a more visual means to electioneer. With regards to the "attacks" - I think you should attempt to recollect the number of times that you have chosen to provide clear evidence of your distain of anybody who challenges your views. To some extent this is all a irrelevant as even you don't have enough faith in your attempt to be elected in 2015 to agree to my small wager. No shame on my part Paul - I'm proud and hold my head high to be able to continue to draw you out so that others can witness the sheer negativity and insolence that somebody seeking public office displays. You've beaten the "no longer lives locally" drum in most responses but does not living locally mean doesn't care? Why would I stand back and watch you attempt to bring an arrogance to the town? As you, Paul, seem to like to offer me advice I will reciprocate and suggest that you keep yourself busy over the hill in leafy Ilkley until the day arrives that you care enough about those with a genuine interest in Keighley/Worth Valley. Have I wished you good luck in May? If not then I hope that the drive home after the count isn't too difficult knowing you've added another attempt/failure to your statistics. MarkPullen
  • Score: 0

11:51am Sat 12 Apr 14

pjl20 says...

MarkPullen wrote:
pjl20 wrote:
Mark Pullen seems to think that it is only his opinion that matters.

The above wordy response from him is a good example of how his logic seems to work.

As a candidate in the forthcoming Bradford MDC elections on May 22 and as the adopted party PPC for the Keighley & Ilkley constituency, I naturally have a keen concern for the issues within this whole area, that affect the residents.

First. May I state that I do not have to provide an answer to Mr Pullen on every single point that he raises, most of which seem to be at variance with my own expressed views.

We are not yet in the run up to the 2015 general election in this constituency and I have not yet been asked to produce my formal election address.

A good example of my own opinion is the news that the 'Clean Energy' Plant in the Aire Valley in Keighley, is to be given the green-light.

I have raised the point about whether the local residents have been consulted, especially those who live close to where this new plant is to be located, some of whom are going to be 'down-wind' of it too.

Another page on this website has a further article about the new plant. Several residents have voiced their genuine concerns about how they will be affected by it. I share these concerns.

What surprises me is that Mr Pullen, who no longer lives within the district, has chosen to launch a personal attack upon me?

I am not new to being a political candidate for a party, but I do not recall anyone previously who does not live in this constituency, launching such an attack.

Perhaps Mr Pullen would be brave enough to write to the Editor of the Keighley News listing precisely what his concerns are about me?

So far all I have done is to defend myself from his unnecessary personal criticism. Shame on you Mr Pullen.
Paul - Many thanks for continuing to engage with me on my perceived inadequacies into the quality of your dialogue on these pages.

I will refrain from writing to the editor, as you are eager for me to do, as this only provides you with a more visual means to electioneer.

With regards to the "attacks" - I think you should attempt to recollect the number of times that you have chosen to provide clear evidence of your distain of anybody who challenges your views.

To some extent this is all a irrelevant as even you don't have enough faith in your attempt to be elected in 2015 to agree to my small wager.

No shame on my part Paul - I'm proud and hold my head high to be able to continue to draw you out so that others can witness the sheer negativity and insolence that somebody seeking public office displays.

You've beaten the "no longer lives locally" drum in most responses but does not living locally mean doesn't care?
Why would I stand back and watch you attempt to bring an arrogance to the town?

As you, Paul, seem to like to offer me advice I will reciprocate and suggest that you keep yourself busy over the hill in leafy Ilkley until the day arrives that you care enough about those with a genuine interest in Keighley/Worth Valley.

Have I wished you good luck in May? If not then I hope that the drive home after the count isn't too difficult knowing you've added another attempt/failure to your statistics.
More abuse form Mr Pullen.

A man who no longer resides within the Keighley area.

The party to which I belong has candidates for the Bradford MDC wards in Keighley and across the metropolitan borough.

Have you none in the district where you now live?

Why do you single me out for your special vitriol?

You are nothing but a Troll, judging by you constant moaning and groaning.

Is your behaviour even democratic? You have a right to question party policy, but constant abuse. No.

But what are you precise complaints? You cannot even list them.

I have insulted no-one, yet you resort to this tactic constantly.
[quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjl20[/bold] wrote: Mark Pullen seems to think that it is only his opinion that matters. The above wordy response from him is a good example of how his logic seems to work. As a candidate in the forthcoming Bradford MDC elections on May 22 and as the adopted party PPC for the Keighley & Ilkley constituency, I naturally have a keen concern for the issues within this whole area, that affect the residents. First. May I state that I do not have to provide an answer to Mr Pullen on every single point that he raises, most of which seem to be at variance with my own expressed views. We are not yet in the run up to the 2015 general election in this constituency and I have not yet been asked to produce my formal election address. A good example of my own opinion is the news that the 'Clean Energy' Plant in the Aire Valley in Keighley, is to be given the green-light. I have raised the point about whether the local residents have been consulted, especially those who live close to where this new plant is to be located, some of whom are going to be 'down-wind' of it too. Another page on this website has a further article about the new plant. Several residents have voiced their genuine concerns about how they will be affected by it. I share these concerns. What surprises me is that Mr Pullen, who no longer lives within the district, has chosen to launch a personal attack upon me? I am not new to being a political candidate for a party, but I do not recall anyone previously who does not live in this constituency, launching such an attack. Perhaps Mr Pullen would be brave enough to write to the Editor of the Keighley News listing precisely what his concerns are about me? So far all I have done is to defend myself from his unnecessary personal criticism. Shame on you Mr Pullen.[/p][/quote]Paul - Many thanks for continuing to engage with me on my perceived inadequacies into the quality of your dialogue on these pages. I will refrain from writing to the editor, as you are eager for me to do, as this only provides you with a more visual means to electioneer. With regards to the "attacks" - I think you should attempt to recollect the number of times that you have chosen to provide clear evidence of your distain of anybody who challenges your views. To some extent this is all a irrelevant as even you don't have enough faith in your attempt to be elected in 2015 to agree to my small wager. No shame on my part Paul - I'm proud and hold my head high to be able to continue to draw you out so that others can witness the sheer negativity and insolence that somebody seeking public office displays. You've beaten the "no longer lives locally" drum in most responses but does not living locally mean doesn't care? Why would I stand back and watch you attempt to bring an arrogance to the town? As you, Paul, seem to like to offer me advice I will reciprocate and suggest that you keep yourself busy over the hill in leafy Ilkley until the day arrives that you care enough about those with a genuine interest in Keighley/Worth Valley. Have I wished you good luck in May? If not then I hope that the drive home after the count isn't too difficult knowing you've added another attempt/failure to your statistics.[/p][/quote]More abuse form Mr Pullen. A man who no longer resides within the Keighley area. The party to which I belong has candidates for the Bradford MDC wards in Keighley and across the metropolitan borough. Have you none in the district where you now live? Why do you single me out for your special vitriol? You are nothing but a Troll, judging by you constant moaning and groaning. Is your behaviour even democratic? You have a right to question party policy, but constant abuse. No. But what are you precise complaints? You cannot even list them. I have insulted no-one, yet you resort to this tactic constantly. pjl20
  • Score: 0

3:25pm Sat 12 Apr 14

MarkPullen says...

pjl20 wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
pjl20 wrote:
Mark Pullen seems to think that it is only his opinion that matters.

The above wordy response from him is a good example of how his logic seems to work.

As a candidate in the forthcoming Bradford MDC elections on May 22 and as the adopted party PPC for the Keighley & Ilkley constituency, I naturally have a keen concern for the issues within this whole area, that affect the residents.

First. May I state that I do not have to provide an answer to Mr Pullen on every single point that he raises, most of which seem to be at variance with my own expressed views.

We are not yet in the run up to the 2015 general election in this constituency and I have not yet been asked to produce my formal election address.

A good example of my own opinion is the news that the 'Clean Energy' Plant in the Aire Valley in Keighley, is to be given the green-light.

I have raised the point about whether the local residents have been consulted, especially those who live close to where this new plant is to be located, some of whom are going to be 'down-wind' of it too.

Another page on this website has a further article about the new plant. Several residents have voiced their genuine concerns about how they will be affected by it. I share these concerns.

What surprises me is that Mr Pullen, who no longer lives within the district, has chosen to launch a personal attack upon me?

I am not new to being a political candidate for a party, but I do not recall anyone previously who does not live in this constituency, launching such an attack.

Perhaps Mr Pullen would be brave enough to write to the Editor of the Keighley News listing precisely what his concerns are about me?

So far all I have done is to defend myself from his unnecessary personal criticism. Shame on you Mr Pullen.
Paul - Many thanks for continuing to engage with me on my perceived inadequacies into the quality of your dialogue on these pages.

I will refrain from writing to the editor, as you are eager for me to do, as this only provides you with a more visual means to electioneer.

With regards to the "attacks" - I think you should attempt to recollect the number of times that you have chosen to provide clear evidence of your distain of anybody who challenges your views.

To some extent this is all a irrelevant as even you don't have enough faith in your attempt to be elected in 2015 to agree to my small wager.

No shame on my part Paul - I'm proud and hold my head high to be able to continue to draw you out so that others can witness the sheer negativity and insolence that somebody seeking public office displays.

You've beaten the "no longer lives locally" drum in most responses but does not living locally mean doesn't care?
Why would I stand back and watch you attempt to bring an arrogance to the town?

As you, Paul, seem to like to offer me advice I will reciprocate and suggest that you keep yourself busy over the hill in leafy Ilkley until the day arrives that you care enough about those with a genuine interest in Keighley/Worth Valley.

Have I wished you good luck in May? If not then I hope that the drive home after the count isn't too difficult knowing you've added another attempt/failure to your statistics.
More abuse form Mr Pullen.

A man who no longer resides within the Keighley area.

The party to which I belong has candidates for the Bradford MDC wards in Keighley and across the metropolitan borough.

Have you none in the district where you now live?

Why do you single me out for your special vitriol?

You are nothing but a Troll, judging by you constant moaning and groaning.

Is your behaviour even democratic? You have a right to question party policy, but constant abuse. No.

But what are you precise complaints? You cannot even list them.

I have insulted no-one, yet you resort to this tactic constantly.
Ooh! Paul, dear friend, steady on - remember your blood pressure!

Where shall I start?

"A man who no longer resides within the Keighley area."
Never denied - though you seem to miss a number of points:
1) The KN pages aren't residency restricted (not that you abide by the T&Cs anyway)
2) I am a homeowner in the area
3) I still have interests in the area

"The party to which I belong has candidates for the Bradford MDC wards in Keighley and across the metropolitan borough.
Have you none in the district where you now live?"
- I engage with local politicians in my area already. You aren't elected so until then you are just an individual posting on these pages - fair game.

"Why do you single me out for your special vitriol?"
1) You have placed yourself in the firing line by the utter tosh that spills out in your posts.
2) You claim to not be electioneering and then make political statements before ducking back under your slimy rock.
3) You provide those reading with a shining example of somebody trying to mount the career politician ladder and wanting to use the BMDC as a stepping stone.
4) Your failure to answer basic questions results in the need to keep returning to issues (such as engagement with the smaller PCs)

By that way - you're nothing special and I don't single you out but take advantage of how you are more than willing to keep rising to the bait.

"You are nothing but a Troll, judging by you constant moaning and groaning."
1) Have you reread your posts on these pages? I can't recall even one entry from yourself that isn't having a moan!
2) So anybody being negative is a Troll now? I presume that you also feel the same about those moaning about KTC and the Civic Centre?
3) If asking genuine questions of somebody who wishes to be seen as electable is "trolling" then I'm guilty as charged. If you can't stand the heat, Paul, then don't come into the kitchen.

"Is your behaviour even democratic? You have a right to question party policy, but constant abuse. No."
1) Does my behaviour have to be "democratic" as a member of the public not seeking election? No. Does yours have to be reasonable when seeking election? Yes.
2) I don't vote by party but by individual - hence why I find you, and the evidence of your "success" in all previous attempts shows, unelectable.
3) You talk of UKIP policy - what is their policy on engagement with local parish councils? .... or the use of existing systems to allow residents a right to make their thoughts know on development?
4) Are you posting as Paul Latham or as UKIP on these pages?
5) Constant abuse? Take a good look in the mirror Paul and realise that you have managed to alienate so many on these pages through your lack of communication skills. Silver spoon stuck out of every orifice.

"But what are you precise complaints? You cannot even list them."
1) You fail to answer direct questions.
2) You lack basic knowledge of the area.
3) You electioneer when claiming not to be involved in it.
4) You fail to recognise that the system exists within the planning set-up for residents to make their complaints.
5) You wish for the local council to take on the additional burden of a referendum whilst bemoaning the waste of money of bureaucracy.
6) You fail to recognise the basic need to engage positively with others.
7) You breach the T&Cs of these pages by revealing true identities and then fail to even have the decency to apologise.
...shall I go on?

"I have insulted no-one, yet you resort to this tactic constantly."
Dear Paul, my friend, you are failing to be 100% truthful in making this comment because:
1) you have insulted others
2) I don't constantly insult - but I do regularly question those who have chosen to become a public servant and yet fail to show that they actually could serve the public.

You are nothing more than a political candidate - both in the past, the present, and in the future.

Now here's your challenge Paul - show me and others on these pages that you are capable of listening:
- Step outside your comfort zone and start showing the readers how you can engage in a positive way.
- Listen to criticism and be strong enough of character to take it on that glass chin of yours and learn.
- Accept that just because somebody responds to a post it is irrelevant to their residency - because your reply will reflect more on your character than theirs.

So, Paul, what now?
Are you capable of being "nice" or is Mr Nasty ready to be seen again?
[quote][p][bold]pjl20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjl20[/bold] wrote: Mark Pullen seems to think that it is only his opinion that matters. The above wordy response from him is a good example of how his logic seems to work. As a candidate in the forthcoming Bradford MDC elections on May 22 and as the adopted party PPC for the Keighley & Ilkley constituency, I naturally have a keen concern for the issues within this whole area, that affect the residents. First. May I state that I do not have to provide an answer to Mr Pullen on every single point that he raises, most of which seem to be at variance with my own expressed views. We are not yet in the run up to the 2015 general election in this constituency and I have not yet been asked to produce my formal election address. A good example of my own opinion is the news that the 'Clean Energy' Plant in the Aire Valley in Keighley, is to be given the green-light. I have raised the point about whether the local residents have been consulted, especially those who live close to where this new plant is to be located, some of whom are going to be 'down-wind' of it too. Another page on this website has a further article about the new plant. Several residents have voiced their genuine concerns about how they will be affected by it. I share these concerns. What surprises me is that Mr Pullen, who no longer lives within the district, has chosen to launch a personal attack upon me? I am not new to being a political candidate for a party, but I do not recall anyone previously who does not live in this constituency, launching such an attack. Perhaps Mr Pullen would be brave enough to write to the Editor of the Keighley News listing precisely what his concerns are about me? So far all I have done is to defend myself from his unnecessary personal criticism. Shame on you Mr Pullen.[/p][/quote]Paul - Many thanks for continuing to engage with me on my perceived inadequacies into the quality of your dialogue on these pages. I will refrain from writing to the editor, as you are eager for me to do, as this only provides you with a more visual means to electioneer. With regards to the "attacks" - I think you should attempt to recollect the number of times that you have chosen to provide clear evidence of your distain of anybody who challenges your views. To some extent this is all a irrelevant as even you don't have enough faith in your attempt to be elected in 2015 to agree to my small wager. No shame on my part Paul - I'm proud and hold my head high to be able to continue to draw you out so that others can witness the sheer negativity and insolence that somebody seeking public office displays. You've beaten the "no longer lives locally" drum in most responses but does not living locally mean doesn't care? Why would I stand back and watch you attempt to bring an arrogance to the town? As you, Paul, seem to like to offer me advice I will reciprocate and suggest that you keep yourself busy over the hill in leafy Ilkley until the day arrives that you care enough about those with a genuine interest in Keighley/Worth Valley. Have I wished you good luck in May? If not then I hope that the drive home after the count isn't too difficult knowing you've added another attempt/failure to your statistics.[/p][/quote]More abuse form Mr Pullen. A man who no longer resides within the Keighley area. The party to which I belong has candidates for the Bradford MDC wards in Keighley and across the metropolitan borough. Have you none in the district where you now live? Why do you single me out for your special vitriol? You are nothing but a Troll, judging by you constant moaning and groaning. Is your behaviour even democratic? You have a right to question party policy, but constant abuse. No. But what are you precise complaints? You cannot even list them. I have insulted no-one, yet you resort to this tactic constantly.[/p][/quote]Ooh! Paul, dear friend, steady on - remember your blood pressure! Where shall I start? "A man who no longer resides within the Keighley area." Never denied - though you seem to miss a number of points: 1) The KN pages aren't residency restricted (not that you abide by the T&Cs anyway) 2) I am a homeowner in the area 3) I still have interests in the area "The party to which I belong has candidates for the Bradford MDC wards in Keighley and across the metropolitan borough. Have you none in the district where you now live?" - I engage with local politicians in my area already. You aren't elected so until then you are just an individual posting on these pages - fair game. "Why do you single me out for your special vitriol?" 1) You have placed yourself in the firing line by the utter tosh that spills out in your posts. 2) You claim to not be electioneering and then make political statements before ducking back under your slimy rock. 3) You provide those reading with a shining example of somebody trying to mount the career politician ladder and wanting to use the BMDC as a stepping stone. 4) Your failure to answer basic questions results in the need to keep returning to issues (such as engagement with the smaller PCs) By that way - you're nothing special and I don't single you out but take advantage of how you are more than willing to keep rising to the bait. "You are nothing but a Troll, judging by you constant moaning and groaning." 1) Have you reread your posts on these pages? I can't recall even one entry from yourself that isn't having a moan! 2) So anybody being negative is a Troll now? I presume that you also feel the same about those moaning about KTC and the Civic Centre? 3) If asking genuine questions of somebody who wishes to be seen as electable is "trolling" then I'm guilty as charged. If you can't stand the heat, Paul, then don't come into the kitchen. "Is your behaviour even democratic? You have a right to question party policy, but constant abuse. No." 1) Does my behaviour have to be "democratic" as a member of the public not seeking election? No. Does yours have to be reasonable when seeking election? Yes. 2) I don't vote by party but by individual - hence why I find you, and the evidence of your "success" in all previous attempts shows, unelectable. 3) You talk of UKIP policy - what is their policy on engagement with local parish councils? .... or the use of existing systems to allow residents a right to make their thoughts know on development? 4) Are you posting as Paul Latham or as UKIP on these pages? 5) Constant abuse? Take a good look in the mirror Paul and realise that you have managed to alienate so many on these pages through your lack of communication skills. Silver spoon stuck out of every orifice. "But what are you precise complaints? You cannot even list them." 1) You fail to answer direct questions. 2) You lack basic knowledge of the area. 3) You electioneer when claiming not to be involved in it. 4) You fail to recognise that the system exists within the planning set-up for residents to make their complaints. 5) You wish for the local council to take on the additional burden of a referendum whilst bemoaning the waste of money of bureaucracy. 6) You fail to recognise the basic need to engage positively with others. 7) You breach the T&Cs of these pages by revealing true identities and then fail to even have the decency to apologise. ...shall I go on? "I have insulted no-one, yet you resort to this tactic constantly." Dear Paul, my friend, you are failing to be 100% truthful in making this comment because: 1) you have insulted others 2) I don't constantly insult - but I do regularly question those who have chosen to become a public servant and yet fail to show that they actually could serve the public. You are nothing more than a political candidate - both in the past, the present, and in the future. Now here's your challenge Paul - show me and others on these pages that you are capable of listening: - Step outside your comfort zone and start showing the readers how you can engage in a positive way. - Listen to criticism and be strong enough of character to take it on that glass chin of yours and learn. - Accept that just because somebody responds to a post it is irrelevant to their residency - because your reply will reflect more on your character than theirs. So, Paul, what now? Are you capable of being "nice" or is Mr Nasty ready to be seen again? MarkPullen
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5:39pm Sat 12 Apr 14

pjl20 says...

My response to Mark Pullen?

Put up or shut up.

You are just full of vitriol, as the above rant indicates to everyone.
Where is your answer as regards this Waste Energy Plant proposal? Should each local resident who lives close or nearby to the location of this plant be consulted individually?

I think that they should be. This is simple democracy in action. But Labour appear to think otherwise.

You have refused to write to the Editor, because you are unable to raise a suitable topic or question about me.

As a political candidate, I am required to answer points from residents from the ward in which I am standing for election on May 22nd.

I am not obliged to answer any questions put by Keighley residents, or you, at present, as I am not standing in an election in the town or for the constituency, until May 2015.

Address your questions to our party candidates in the local wards of Keighley.

The final list of all candidates who have been accepted for election will be published by the Elections Unit at City Hall, Bradford on Friday, 25th April. So you know then. Got it?
My response to Mark Pullen? Put up or shut up. You are just full of vitriol, as the above rant indicates to everyone. Where is your answer as regards this Waste Energy Plant proposal? Should each local resident who lives close or nearby to the location of this plant be consulted individually? I think that they should be. This is simple democracy in action. But Labour appear to think otherwise. You have refused to write to the Editor, because you are unable to raise a suitable topic or question about me. As a political candidate, I am required to answer points from residents from the ward in which I am standing for election on May 22nd. I am not obliged to answer any questions put by Keighley residents, or you, at present, as I am not standing in an election in the town or for the constituency, until May 2015. Address your questions to our party candidates in the local wards of Keighley. The final list of all candidates who have been accepted for election will be published by the Elections Unit at City Hall, Bradford on Friday, 25th April. So you know then. Got it? pjl20
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10:39am Fri 18 Apr 14

Katiery says...

pjl20 wrote:
MarkPullen wrote:
Kingchaser wrote:
I thought that PJL's absence for a few weeks had been because he'd been on a 'How to win friends and influence people' course.

Probably not, it seems.
The guy is away with the fairies on so many levels.

He declares that he has no requirement to electioneer yet as the PPC and still manages to dip his manicured tootsie into the odd story to make a point.

After failing so often to answer genuine questions, provide scaremongering comments, and wander off at leisure, he constantly shows his inadequacies in representing the towns and surrounding areas.

Let's just hope that Ilkley are unlucky enough to elect him to BMDC - at least that'll keep him busy.
Mark Pullen knows how to resort to abuse, as you can see from his posts. Is this how you functioned as a parish councillor Mr Pullen?

The decision is about how the Labour party have chosen to 'spin' this £120 million investment. How can it be possibly be described as being 'clean' when it recycles waste from Bradford ?

The people of Keighley have been lumbered with this plant and the local residents have not been given a democratic vote about this decision to have. Have they?

The answer? On May 22nd vote for the party that opposes this decision in your ward election.
It seems that the site has been given permission by the Regulatory and Appeals Committee and now just needs to clear the Environment Agency’s permit process,

You have obviously never attended a Regulatory and Appeals Committee meeting, pjl20, otherwise you would know that it is made up of members from more than just the Labour Party.

How will voting for UKIP in May stop this? You may oppose it but planning permission has already been granted.
[quote][p][bold]pjl20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkPullen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kingchaser[/bold] wrote: I thought that PJL's absence for a few weeks had been because he'd been on a 'How to win friends and influence people' course. Probably not, it seems.[/p][/quote]The guy is away with the fairies on so many levels. He declares that he has no requirement to electioneer yet as the PPC and still manages to dip his manicured tootsie into the odd story to make a point. After failing so often to answer genuine questions, provide scaremongering comments, and wander off at leisure, he constantly shows his inadequacies in representing the towns and surrounding areas. Let's just hope that Ilkley are unlucky enough to elect him to BMDC - at least that'll keep him busy.[/p][/quote]Mark Pullen knows how to resort to abuse, as you can see from his posts. Is this how you functioned as a parish councillor Mr Pullen? The decision is about how the Labour party have chosen to 'spin' this £120 million investment. How can it be possibly be described as being 'clean' when it recycles waste from Bradford ? The people of Keighley have been lumbered with this plant and the local residents have not been given a democratic vote about this decision to have. Have they? The answer? On May 22nd vote for the party that opposes this decision in your ward election.[/p][/quote]It seems that the site has been given permission by the Regulatory and Appeals Committee and now just needs to clear the Environment Agency’s permit process, You have obviously never attended a Regulatory and Appeals Committee meeting, pjl20, otherwise you would know that it is made up of members from more than just the Labour Party. How will voting for UKIP in May stop this? You may oppose it but planning permission has already been granted. Katiery
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