Keighley Civic Centre consultant’s fee questions raised

Keighley News: Keighley Civic Centre Keighley Civic Centre

A town councillor who drew up a business plan for loss-making Keighley Civic Centre has criticised proposals to spend thousands of pounds on a consultant to review the document.

Councillor Peter Corkindale, chairman of the civic centre committee, argued the cash would be better spent elsewhere.

But Coun Gary Pedley, vice-chairman of the council’s finance and audit committee, responded: “Councillor Corkindale did produce a business plan, but there are some gross inaccuracies in terms of income generated from the [civic centre] cafe.

“We thought that bringing in a business consultant with a business mind would enable us to get a better idea of how we could reduce the burden on the taxpayer over the coming years.”

Coun Corkindale said he had been asked to produce the business plan about six months ago, to help ensure the town council-run premises could be a viable venture.

As of May 2013, the civic centre was £162,000 in the red, which had prompted a record 72.6 per cent hike in the council tax precept to cover the bill.

The town council’s 2012-13 accounts are currently subject to an investigation by London-based accountancy firm PKF Littlejohn.

Commenting at last Thursday’s town council meeting, he said: “I notice we are securing the services of a business consultant to look at the business plan – this is going to cost us £7,500 for something I did free of charge.”

He pointed out that 12 months ago, the civic centre committee had been tasked with generating £37,000 from the North Street-based centre for the coming civic year. He noted that with only a month to go, he and his colleagues were just £1,400 short of this target.

“Why has the finance committee taken it upon themselves to do this without one word of consultation with either myself or members of my committee?” he asked.

Coun Pedley said he understood the civic centre committee had been made aware of the finance and audit committee’s intention to bring in a consultant.

He added that the £7,500 to pay the consultant mentioned by Coun Corkindale was just one quote, which had not yet been accepted.

Coun Graham Mitchell successfully recommended the chairmen of the civic centre and finance and audit committees meet with each other to discuss the issue before reporting back to the full council.

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1:32pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Stevo54 says...

Business consultant is defined in the Oxford English dictionary as "someone who will squander everything you own but will always leave enough money in your account to pay their bill".

Actually it isn't but it is how they operate.
Business consultant is defined in the Oxford English dictionary as "someone who will squander everything you own but will always leave enough money in your account to pay their bill". Actually it isn't but it is how they operate. Stevo54
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5:32pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

He pointed out that 12 months ago, the civic centre committee had been tasked with generating £37,000 from the North Street-based centre for the coming civic year. He noted that with only a month to go, he and his colleagues were just £1,400 short of this target.

£37,000 in 12 months doesn't even cover the loan repayments let alone the overheads and they still can't manage this.
As far As I can tell they are still using the same people to do the accounts and along with this using the same methods, so until we know the outcome of the External Auditors Investigation, who can say if these figures are accurate.
He pointed out that 12 months ago, the civic centre committee had been tasked with generating £37,000 from the North Street-based centre for the coming civic year. He noted that with only a month to go, he and his colleagues were just £1,400 short of this target. £37,000 in 12 months doesn't even cover the loan repayments let alone the overheads and they still can't manage this. As far As I can tell they are still using the same people to do the accounts and along with this using the same methods, so until we know the outcome of the External Auditors Investigation, who can say if these figures are accurate. Always a 708 Skinhead
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5:35pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

Coun Graham Mitchell successfully recommended the chairmen of the civic centre and finance and audit committees meet with each other to discuss the issue before reporting back to the full council.

Can someone please get Dicky a cape and a red and blue lycra outfit. Super councillor!!! Here to save the day again.
Councillor Pedley reported back to council regarding the Civic Centre over 12 months ago. A report which councillor Mitchell and his cohorts saw fit to suppress, not just from the Public but from the Full council.
Coun Graham Mitchell successfully recommended the chairmen of the civic centre and finance and audit committees meet with each other to discuss the issue before reporting back to the full council. Can someone please get Dicky a cape and a red and blue lycra outfit. Super councillor!!! Here to save the day again. Councillor Pedley reported back to council regarding the Civic Centre over 12 months ago. A report which councillor Mitchell and his cohorts saw fit to suppress, not just from the Public but from the Full council. Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 3

5:43pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

While the building has been fully renovated, it seems there may be some cracks appearing at the structural level I think.
While the building has been fully renovated, it seems there may be some cracks appearing at the structural level I think. Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 5

6:17pm Fri 11 Apr 14

nannatyke says...

These are the Cafe income figures that Corkingdale says he has to bring in: Café sales 18450
Bar sales 7400
Catering income 12600
They don't even pay for the supplies in the budget. Stupid, stupid man. The total Expenditure for the Civic Centre is a WHOPPING £265184. Yes Keighley people, that is what it will cost in the year 2014/15 to run this White Elephant on North Street. So Corkingdale, why on earth would anyone want to trust your 'grossly inaccurate figures'
These are the Cafe income figures that Corkingdale says he has to bring in: Café sales 18450 Bar sales 7400 Catering income 12600 They don't even pay for the supplies in the budget. Stupid, stupid man. The total Expenditure for the Civic Centre is a WHOPPING £265184. Yes Keighley people, that is what it will cost in the year 2014/15 to run this White Elephant on North Street. So Corkingdale, why on earth would anyone want to trust your 'grossly inaccurate figures' nannatyke
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6:21pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Little Green Man says...

Here we go...
Here we go... Little Green Man
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6:28pm Fri 11 Apr 14

nannatyke says...

Corkingdale's own Deputy Chair of Finance and Audit, Cllr Pedley, doesn't trust his figures. You need to listen to him Corkingdale. Cllr Pedley was also asked to write a report about financial irregularities, over a year ago, but when he did so the findings were withheld from councillors by those who didn't want it circulating

Elizabeth Mitchell (posting as Nannatyke an old username, as I am having difficulty logging in under my own name)
Corkingdale's own Deputy Chair of Finance and Audit, Cllr Pedley, doesn't trust his figures. You need to listen to him Corkingdale. Cllr Pedley was also asked to write a report about financial irregularities, over a year ago, but when he did so the findings were withheld from councillors by those who didn't want it circulating Elizabeth Mitchell (posting as Nannatyke an old username, as I am having difficulty logging in under my own name) nannatyke
  • Score: 7

6:48pm Fri 11 Apr 14

jimmy k says...

we'll we've had 2 weeks off,it was never going to last.
we'll we've had 2 weeks off,it was never going to last. jimmy k
  • Score: -3

7:27pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Little Green Man says...

nannatyke wrote:
Corkingdale's own Deputy Chair of Finance and Audit, Cllr Pedley, doesn't trust his figures. You need to listen to him Corkingdale. Cllr Pedley was also asked to write a report about financial irregularities, over a year ago, but when he did so the findings were withheld from councillors by those who didn't want it circulating

Elizabeth Mitchell (posting as Nannatyke an old username, as I am having difficulty logging in under my own name)
Glad you made that clear - welcome back :)
[quote][p][bold]nannatyke[/bold] wrote: Corkingdale's own Deputy Chair of Finance and Audit, Cllr Pedley, doesn't trust his figures. You need to listen to him Corkingdale. Cllr Pedley was also asked to write a report about financial irregularities, over a year ago, but when he did so the findings were withheld from councillors by those who didn't want it circulating Elizabeth Mitchell (posting as Nannatyke an old username, as I am having difficulty logging in under my own name)[/p][/quote]Glad you made that clear - welcome back :) Little Green Man
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8:16pm Fri 11 Apr 14

OUT WITH CAVETOWN says...

The swivel eyed loons are back .
The swivel eyed loons are back . OUT WITH CAVETOWN
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9:12pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Little Green Man says...

OUT WITH CAVETOWN wrote:
The swivel eyed loons are back .
They are now :)
[quote][p][bold]OUT WITH CAVETOWN[/bold] wrote: The swivel eyed loons are back .[/p][/quote]They are now :) Little Green Man
  • Score: -3

10:08pm Fri 11 Apr 14

OUT WITH CAVETOWN says...

Little Green Man wrote:
OUT WITH CAVETOWN wrote:
The swivel eyed loons are back .
They are now :)
and me a Keighley Pensioner , how very dare you.
I have lots of questions all unanswered by the Cavetown Gang.

1--Who was the Stalker ?.
[quote][p][bold]Little Green Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OUT WITH CAVETOWN[/bold] wrote: The swivel eyed loons are back .[/p][/quote]They are now :)[/p][/quote]and me a Keighley Pensioner , how very dare you. I have lots of questions all unanswered by the Cavetown Gang. 1--Who was the Stalker ?. OUT WITH CAVETOWN
  • Score: -7

2:28am Sat 12 Apr 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

But Coun Gary Pedley, vice-chairman of the council’s finance and audit committee, responded: “Councillor Corkindale did produce a business plan, but there are some gross inaccuracies in terms of income generated from the cafe.

“We thought that bringing in a business consultant with a business mind would enable us to get a better idea of how we could reduce the burden on the taxpayer over the coming years.”

Just what are councillor Corkindale's qualifications for producing a business plan?

In February he is quoted in the Keighley News as saying " "It's not a business, it's a civic amenity,"

For a council to run a civic amenity or to run a business is covered by two entirely separate pieces of legislation.
If Corkindale isn't even clear on this fundamental point then anything he has produced must certainly be questioned.

In March we were told that Corkindale would be standing as a UKIP candidate for the District council. His display of such a fundamental lack of understanding of council legislation must be very embarrassing for both him and his UKIP colleagues.
But Coun Gary Pedley, vice-chairman of the council’s finance and audit committee, responded: “Councillor Corkindale did produce a business plan, but there are some gross inaccuracies in terms of income generated from the [civic centre] cafe. “We thought that bringing in a business consultant with a business mind would enable us to get a better idea of how we could reduce the burden on the taxpayer over the coming years.” Just what are councillor Corkindale's qualifications for producing a business plan? In February he is quoted in the Keighley News as saying " "It's not a business, it's a civic amenity," For a council to run a civic amenity or to run a business is covered by two entirely separate pieces of legislation. If Corkindale isn't even clear on this fundamental point then anything he has produced must certainly be questioned. In March we were told that Corkindale would be standing as a UKIP candidate for the District council. His display of such a fundamental lack of understanding of council legislation must be very embarrassing for both him and his UKIP colleagues. Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 8

8:14am Sat 12 Apr 14

Little Green Man says...

Always a 708 Skinhead wrote:
But Coun Gary Pedley, vice-chairman of the council’s finance and audit committee, responded: “Councillor Corkindale did produce a business plan, but there are some gross inaccuracies in terms of income generated from the cafe.

“We thought that bringing in a business consultant with a business mind would enable us to get a better idea of how we could reduce the burden on the taxpayer over the coming years.”

Just what are councillor Corkindale's qualifications for producing a business plan?

In February he is quoted in the Keighley News as saying " "It's not a business, it's a civic amenity,"

For a council to run a civic amenity or to run a business is covered by two entirely separate pieces of legislation.
If Corkindale isn't even clear on this fundamental point then anything he has produced must certainly be questioned.

In March we were told that Corkindale would be standing as a UKIP candidate for the District council. His display of such a fundamental lack of understanding of council legislation must be very embarrassing for both him and his UKIP colleagues.
" In March we were told that Corkindale would be standing as a UKIP candidate for the District council. His display of such a fundamental lack of understanding of council legislation must be very embarrassing for both him and his UKIP colleagues" On the contrary Simon - seem to be about on par for UKIP candidates :)
[quote][p][bold]Always a 708 Skinhead[/bold] wrote: But Coun Gary Pedley, vice-chairman of the council’s finance and audit committee, responded: “Councillor Corkindale did produce a business plan, but there are some gross inaccuracies in terms of income generated from the [civic centre] cafe. “We thought that bringing in a business consultant with a business mind would enable us to get a better idea of how we could reduce the burden on the taxpayer over the coming years.” Just what are councillor Corkindale's qualifications for producing a business plan? In February he is quoted in the Keighley News as saying " "It's not a business, it's a civic amenity," For a council to run a civic amenity or to run a business is covered by two entirely separate pieces of legislation. If Corkindale isn't even clear on this fundamental point then anything he has produced must certainly be questioned. In March we were told that Corkindale would be standing as a UKIP candidate for the District council. His display of such a fundamental lack of understanding of council legislation must be very embarrassing for both him and his UKIP colleagues.[/p][/quote]" In March we were told that Corkindale would be standing as a UKIP candidate for the District council. His display of such a fundamental lack of understanding of council legislation must be very embarrassing for both him and his UKIP colleagues" On the contrary Simon - seem to be about on par for UKIP candidates :) Little Green Man
  • Score: 5

2:14pm Sat 12 Apr 14

samuels david says...

The apologist of KTC now seem to agree that the facts, figures, documentary evidence etc, long supplied by cherished friends within the KTC hierarchy to the public may have no value, yet, they still seem keen to carry on defending them.

However to his credit LGM has at long last acknowledged my own personal view of Ex Police Sergeant Peter, prospective UKIP candidate, now Chairman of what I consider to be the infamous Civic Centre. A view I have held for some time, which is that seemingly, the man isn't even clear on a very fundamental point of, namely, what is a civic amenity or what is a business concept. A concert which is covered by two entirely separate pieces of legislation.

At the forced birth of this this financial blunder it was a business, then at long, long, last, as financial reality set in, it suddenly became an amenity!

Anything he has produced on this matter must be questioned, a situation which I understand is to be investigated by the Auditors, PKF LittleJohn on behalf of the Audit Commissioners, who have been accused by the KTC as treating the Council as a ‘Cash Cow.

David Samuels
The apologist of KTC now seem to agree that the facts, figures, documentary evidence etc, long supplied by cherished friends within the KTC hierarchy to the public may have no value, yet, they still seem keen to carry on defending them. However to his credit LGM has at long last acknowledged my own personal view of Ex Police Sergeant Peter, prospective UKIP candidate, now Chairman of what I consider to be the infamous Civic Centre. A view I have held for some time, which is that seemingly, the man isn't even clear on a very fundamental point of, namely, what is a civic amenity or what is a business concept. A concert which is covered by two entirely separate pieces of legislation. At the forced birth of this this financial blunder it was a business, then at long, long, last, as financial reality set in, it suddenly became an amenity! Anything he has produced on this matter must be questioned, a situation which I understand is to be investigated by the Auditors, PKF LittleJohn on behalf of the Audit Commissioners, who have been accused by the KTC as treating the Council as a ‘Cash Cow. David Samuels samuels david
  • Score: 6

2:28pm Sat 12 Apr 14

samuels david says...

Should read as Ex Police Sergeant Peter, prospective UKIP candidate, now DEPUTY Chairman of what I consider to be the infamous Civic Centre.

Apologies to whoever is Chairman today.
Should read as Ex Police Sergeant Peter, prospective UKIP candidate, now DEPUTY Chairman of what I consider to be the infamous Civic Centre. Apologies to whoever is Chairman today. samuels david
  • Score: 5

2:59pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Little Green Man says...

DS Said "However to his credit LGM has at long last acknowledged my own personal view "

Quite wrong as usual Dave, I simply made a comment, I made no acknowlegment of any view of yours.
DS Said "However to his credit LGM has at long last acknowledged my own personal view " Quite wrong as usual Dave, I simply made a comment, I made no acknowlegment of any view of yours. Little Green Man
  • Score: -5

4:33pm Sat 12 Apr 14

jimmy k says...

are you sure lgm ?bet you wear a bracelet with wwdd(what would dave do?)
are you sure lgm ?bet you wear a bracelet with wwdd(what would dave do?) jimmy k
  • Score: -6

5:26pm Sat 12 Apr 14

OUT WITH CAVETOWN says...

OUT WITH CAVETOWN wrote:
Little Green Man wrote:
OUT WITH CAVETOWN wrote:
The swivel eyed loons are back .
They are now :)
and me a Keighley Pensioner , how very dare you.
I have lots of questions all unanswered by the Cavetown Gang.

1--Who was the Stalker ?.
Nice Cavetowners please answer the question
Who was the Stalker !.
Perhaps it's the embarrassment your vindictive group would suffer why the question remains unanswered ?.
[quote][p][bold]OUT WITH CAVETOWN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Green Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OUT WITH CAVETOWN[/bold] wrote: The swivel eyed loons are back .[/p][/quote]They are now :)[/p][/quote]and me a Keighley Pensioner , how very dare you. I have lots of questions all unanswered by the Cavetown Gang. 1--Who was the Stalker ?.[/p][/quote]Nice Cavetowners please answer the question Who was the Stalker !. Perhaps it's the embarrassment your vindictive group would suffer why the question remains unanswered ?. OUT WITH CAVETOWN
  • Score: -5

6:21pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Stand up to bullies says...

OUT WITH CAVETOWN wrote:
OUT WITH CAVETOWN wrote:
Little Green Man wrote:
OUT WITH CAVETOWN wrote:
The swivel eyed loons are back .
They are now :)
and me a Keighley Pensioner , how very dare you.
I have lots of questions all unanswered by the Cavetown Gang.

1--Who was the Stalker ?.
Nice Cavetowners please answer the question
Who was the Stalker !.
Perhaps it's the embarrassment your vindictive group would suffer why the question remains unanswered ?.
The stalker in which I think u are referring to that' stalked councillor ward is Andy rev Roberts . He admitted on the cavetown page that he sat outside her window in his car staring, then the comm et was deleted. Not before it was screen shot . :-) knock knock cavetown
[quote][p][bold]OUT WITH CAVETOWN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OUT WITH CAVETOWN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Green Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OUT WITH CAVETOWN[/bold] wrote: The swivel eyed loons are back .[/p][/quote]They are now :)[/p][/quote]and me a Keighley Pensioner , how very dare you. I have lots of questions all unanswered by the Cavetown Gang. 1--Who was the Stalker ?.[/p][/quote]Nice Cavetowners please answer the question Who was the Stalker !. Perhaps it's the embarrassment your vindictive group would suffer why the question remains unanswered ?.[/p][/quote]The stalker in which I think u are referring to that' stalked councillor ward is Andy rev Roberts . He admitted on the cavetown page that he sat outside her window in his car staring, then the comm et was deleted. Not before it was screen shot . :-) knock knock cavetown Stand up to bullies
  • Score: -4

7:25pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Little Green Man says...

Stand up to bullies wrote:
OUT WITH CAVETOWN wrote:
OUT WITH CAVETOWN wrote:
Little Green Man wrote:
OUT WITH CAVETOWN wrote:
The swivel eyed loons are back .
They are now :)
and me a Keighley Pensioner , how very dare you.
I have lots of questions all unanswered by the Cavetown Gang.

1--Who was the Stalker ?.
Nice Cavetowners please answer the question
Who was the Stalker !.
Perhaps it's the embarrassment your vindictive group would suffer why the question remains unanswered ?.
The stalker in which I think u are referring to that' stalked councillor ward is Andy rev Roberts . He admitted on the cavetown page that he sat outside her window in his car staring, then the comm et was deleted. Not before it was screen shot . :-) knock knock cavetown
Funny how the same old names keep popping up, lots of Roberts, Mitchells - one of the drawbacks of life in a small town I guess - limited gene pool and all that :)
[quote][p][bold]Stand up to bullies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OUT WITH CAVETOWN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OUT WITH CAVETOWN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Green Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OUT WITH CAVETOWN[/bold] wrote: The swivel eyed loons are back .[/p][/quote]They are now :)[/p][/quote]and me a Keighley Pensioner , how very dare you. I have lots of questions all unanswered by the Cavetown Gang. 1--Who was the Stalker ?.[/p][/quote]Nice Cavetowners please answer the question Who was the Stalker !. Perhaps it's the embarrassment your vindictive group would suffer why the question remains unanswered ?.[/p][/quote]The stalker in which I think u are referring to that' stalked councillor ward is Andy rev Roberts . He admitted on the cavetown page that he sat outside her window in his car staring, then the comm et was deleted. Not before it was screen shot . :-) knock knock cavetown[/p][/quote]Funny how the same old names keep popping up, lots of Roberts, Mitchells - one of the drawbacks of life in a small town I guess - limited gene pool and all that :) Little Green Man
  • Score: -7

7:52pm Sat 12 Apr 14

jimmy k says...

strange middle name rev
strange middle name rev jimmy k
  • Score: -6

7:58pm Sat 12 Apr 14

OUT WITH CAVETOWN says...

Little Green Man wrote:
Stand up to bullies wrote:
OUT WITH CAVETOWN wrote:
OUT WITH CAVETOWN wrote:
Little Green Man wrote:
OUT WITH CAVETOWN wrote:
The swivel eyed loons are back .
They are now :)
and me a Keighley Pensioner , how very dare you.
I have lots of questions all unanswered by the Cavetown Gang.

1--Who was the Stalker ?.
Nice Cavetowners please answer the question
Who was the Stalker !.
Perhaps it's the embarrassment your vindictive group would suffer why the question remains unanswered ?.
The stalker in which I think u are referring to that' stalked councillor ward is Andy rev Roberts . He admitted on the cavetown page that he sat outside her window in his car staring, then the comm et was deleted. Not before it was screen shot . :-) knock knock cavetown
Funny how the same old names keep popping up, lots of Roberts, Mitchells - one of the drawbacks of life in a small town I guess - limited gene pool and all that :)
also disturbing is the meddling done by a serving Councillor who is a supporter of the Cavetown Gang .

A SNAKE IN THE GRASS a creature of the worst kind.
[quote][p][bold]Little Green Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stand up to bullies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OUT WITH CAVETOWN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OUT WITH CAVETOWN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Little Green Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OUT WITH CAVETOWN[/bold] wrote: The swivel eyed loons are back .[/p][/quote]They are now :)[/p][/quote]and me a Keighley Pensioner , how very dare you. I have lots of questions all unanswered by the Cavetown Gang. 1--Who was the Stalker ?.[/p][/quote]Nice Cavetowners please answer the question Who was the Stalker !. Perhaps it's the embarrassment your vindictive group would suffer why the question remains unanswered ?.[/p][/quote]The stalker in which I think u are referring to that' stalked councillor ward is Andy rev Roberts . He admitted on the cavetown page that he sat outside her window in his car staring, then the comm et was deleted. Not before it was screen shot . :-) knock knock cavetown[/p][/quote]Funny how the same old names keep popping up, lots of Roberts, Mitchells - one of the drawbacks of life in a small town I guess - limited gene pool and all that :)[/p][/quote]also disturbing is the meddling done by a serving Councillor who is a supporter of the Cavetown Gang . A SNAKE IN THE GRASS a creature of the worst kind. OUT WITH CAVETOWN
  • Score: -10

10:18am Sun 13 Apr 14

samuels david says...

OUT WITH CAVETOWN , Oh dear, seems you still can't stand the truth being told to the public.

David Samuels
OUT WITH CAVETOWN , Oh dear, seems you still can't stand the truth being told to the public. David Samuels samuels david
  • Score: 3

11:00am Sun 13 Apr 14

OUT WITH CAVETOWN says...

samuels david wrote:
OUT WITH CAVETOWN , Oh dear, seems you still can't stand the truth being told to the public.

David Samuels
and the TRUTH
Cavetown and the failed Councillor who ran when the going got tough,
are a bullying , stalking.,harassing ,vindictive Gang with no morals ,
with personal motives .
[quote][p][bold]samuels david[/bold] wrote: OUT WITH CAVETOWN , Oh dear, seems you still can't stand the truth being told to the public. David Samuels[/p][/quote]and the TRUTH Cavetown and the failed Councillor who ran when the going got tough, are a bullying , stalking.,harassing ,vindictive Gang with no morals , with personal motives . OUT WITH CAVETOWN
  • Score: -3

11:25am Sun 13 Apr 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

OWC writes-
"also disturbing is the meddling done by a serving Councillor who is a supporter of the Cavetown Gang .

A SNAKE IN THE GRASS a creature of the worst kind."

You do make the strangest comments OWC, usually false and abusive as your most recent one is.
The word democracy is derived from the Greek words 'demos' - people; and 'kratos' - power.
KTC is supposed to be a part of this Democratic process and as such it is expected that members, whether elected, in non contested seats or co-opted should engage with the Public and make decisions in the Peoples Best Interests.
If a serving councillor adheres to these protocols by interacting with members of the Public who are acting in a legal and democratic way I fail to see how this can be interpreted as "meddling".
You refer to this councillor as 'a snake in the grass, a creature of the worst kind' , yet the councillor also is acting in both a legal and democratic manner.
I will now offer you some examples of councillors not acting in a democratic manner OWC-
councillor Brian Morris- apologises and is regretful to his superiors at the Freemasons for sending abusive emails to a member of the Public (me). Fails to give an apology to me for these emails even though the Freemasons themselves expressed their regret for his actions.

councillor Tony Wright- joins an open Facebook group- Keighley Forum, only to use this Public arena to insult the External Auditors (scavengers, more snouts in the trough in his terminology)., make false allegations regarding the Investigation and attempt to blame the Public for costs incurred by the council.

councillor Mitchell- refers to the Public as Mad Swivel Eyed Loons, informed me incorrectly, via email that he isn't a Public Servant. (He most certainly is), and now ignores the tradition of raising the deputy to the role of mayor in order to grab the Leadership himself.

So there are 3 examples of the worst kind of creature OWC, although I wouldn't compare them to snakes. Snakes are still vertebrates OWC and these 3 all appear to be spineless.

You choose to insult both a councillor and the Public, all of who are acting democratically and legally OWC.
As you can see from the above, several councillors do not act democratically, if they have acted legally will be determined by the External Auditors when they complete their investigation.

I will leave you with a little more latin OWC- the motto of the Cavendish Family of Keighley from whom Cavetown takes it's name-

Cavendo Tutus.

Tick Tock
OWC writes- "also disturbing is the meddling done by a serving Councillor who is a supporter of the Cavetown Gang . A SNAKE IN THE GRASS a creature of the worst kind." You do make the strangest comments OWC, usually false and abusive as your most recent one is. The word democracy is derived from the Greek words 'demos' - people; and 'kratos' - power. KTC is supposed to be a part of this Democratic process and as such it is expected that members, whether elected, in non contested seats or co-opted should engage with the Public and make decisions in the Peoples Best Interests. If a serving councillor adheres to these protocols by interacting with members of the Public who are acting in a legal and democratic way I fail to see how this can be interpreted as "meddling". You refer to this councillor as 'a snake in the grass, a creature of the worst kind' , yet the councillor also is acting in both a legal and democratic manner. I will now offer you some examples of councillors not acting in a democratic manner OWC- councillor Brian Morris- apologises and is regretful to his superiors at the Freemasons for sending abusive emails to a member of the Public (me). Fails to give an apology to me for these emails even though the Freemasons themselves expressed their regret for his actions. councillor Tony Wright- joins an open Facebook group- Keighley Forum, only to use this Public arena to insult the External Auditors (scavengers, more snouts in the trough in his terminology)., make false allegations regarding the Investigation and attempt to blame the Public for costs incurred by the council. councillor Mitchell- refers to the Public as Mad Swivel Eyed Loons, informed me incorrectly, via email that he isn't a Public Servant. (He most certainly is), and now ignores the tradition of raising the deputy to the role of mayor in order to grab the Leadership himself. So there are 3 examples of the worst kind of creature OWC, although I wouldn't compare them to snakes. Snakes are still vertebrates OWC and these 3 all appear to be spineless. You choose to insult both a councillor and the Public, all of who are acting democratically and legally OWC. As you can see from the above, several councillors do not act democratically, if they have acted legally will be determined by the External Auditors when they complete their investigation. I will leave you with a little more latin OWC- the motto of the Cavendish Family of Keighley from whom Cavetown takes it's name- Cavendo Tutus. Tick Tock Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 8

11:51am Sun 13 Apr 14

notthecivic says...

out with cave town may i also add that the stalker is the son of ian holt roberts and he also runs cavetowns moonfruit website.
out with cave town may i also add that the stalker is the son of ian holt roberts and he also runs cavetowns moonfruit website. notthecivic
  • Score: -4

12:26pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

Perhaps the most significant comments to add here are those contained in the Report into Financial and Staffing Irregularities undertaken by councillor Pedley on behalf of the Full council in Nov 2012 and then suppressed by a Meeting of the Management & Staffing Committee which had no grounds to sight the document and which included some very familiar names -
Councillor Metcalf , and Councillors Corkindale, Morris, Philip, , S A Walker, Ward, Westerman and A Wright (from 6.15pm).

" 6.5 Throughout this investigation it has become increasingly apparent that a culture of concealment, unaccountability and complacency has been allowed to develop.
Unacceptable management practices and a lack of financial responsibility by both the M&S Committee and the RFO have undoubtedly preceded this investigation."

Is it any wonder that many people question the value of Corkindales business plan? He has been instrumental in a culture of concealment, unaccountability and complacency for at least over a year as documented in the councils own records, and then is party to suppressing the report highlighting this.

And now he has aspirations to take these questionable practices to the District council.....

Tick Tock
Perhaps the most significant comments to add here are those contained in the Report into Financial and Staffing Irregularities undertaken by councillor Pedley on behalf of the Full council in Nov 2012 and then suppressed by a Meeting of the Management & Staffing Committee which had no grounds to sight the document and which included some very familiar names - Councillor Metcalf [Chair], and Councillors Corkindale, Morris, Philip, , S A Walker, Ward, Westerman and A Wright (from 6.15pm). " 6.5 Throughout this investigation it has become increasingly apparent that a culture of concealment, unaccountability and complacency has been allowed to develop. Unacceptable management practices and a lack of financial responsibility by both the M&S Committee and the RFO have undoubtedly preceded this investigation." Is it any wonder that many people question the value of Corkindales business plan? He has been instrumental in a culture of concealment, unaccountability and complacency for at least over a year as documented in the councils own records, and then is party to suppressing the report highlighting this. And now he has aspirations to take these questionable practices to the District council..... Tick Tock Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 7

1:43pm Sun 13 Apr 14

OUT WITH CAVETOWN says...

notthecivic wrote:
out with cave town may i also add that the stalker is the son of ian holt roberts and he also runs cavetowns moonfruit website.
It would appear he was also the person that handed the Cavetown petition in ,perhaps trying to prove a point ?.
Applying the Occam's Razor principle , it becomes obvious the "Family" have personal reasons behind their personal and vindictive campaign. The Whistleblowing money will have run out by now so instead of sitting in her parlour counting the proceeds another "hobby" was required to occupy the her time ?.
[quote][p][bold]notthecivic[/bold] wrote: out with cave town may i also add that the stalker is the son of ian holt roberts and he also runs cavetowns moonfruit website.[/p][/quote]It would appear he was also the person that handed the Cavetown petition in ,perhaps trying to prove a point ?. Applying the Occam's Razor principle , it becomes obvious the "Family" have personal reasons behind their personal and vindictive campaign. The Whistleblowing money will have run out by now so instead of sitting in her parlour counting the proceeds another "hobby" was required to occupy the her time ?. OUT WITH CAVETOWN
  • Score: -5

2:07pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

"Councillor Peter Corkindale, chairman of the civic centre committee, argued the cash would be better spent elsewhere."

What peculiar words from the UKIP councillor. Does he genuinely believe that the cost of a professional business plan, estimated at £7,500 will be better spent elsewhere?

He is the chairman of the Civic Centre Committee, currently budgeted to run at an annual loss of about £250,000 but is reluctant to seek advice on this fiscal black hole?

Where does he think it would be better spent? Another coffee machine for the Civic centre cafe perhaps? Or maybe another unstable horse and stabling fees for the Police Museum rag and bone cart?

Maybe his colleague councillor Wright wants to book Black Lace again for the next expensive and poorly attended Airedo?
Or Dicky Mitchell might need another grit bin near the Bus Museum for his convenience?

Oh hang on.. isn't he an ex copper? maybe some of his old mates at the station need new torches or push bikes?

I do remember reading that there is a NALC conference later in the year, perhaps the money might be needed to send a few councillors on an all expenses trip to learn how to run an efficient council, afterall, the many ones attended so far in the councils history have certainly shown how valuable for the Public they are......... did I say valuable? Of course I meant costly.

In closing......... Idiot.

Tick Tock
"Councillor Peter Corkindale, chairman of the civic centre committee, argued the cash would be better spent elsewhere." What peculiar words from the UKIP councillor. Does he genuinely believe that the cost of a professional business plan, estimated at £7,500 will be better spent elsewhere? He is the chairman of the Civic Centre Committee, currently budgeted to run at an annual loss of about £250,000 but is reluctant to seek advice on this fiscal black hole? Where does he think it would be better spent? Another coffee machine for the Civic centre cafe perhaps? Or maybe another unstable horse and stabling fees for the Police Museum rag and bone cart? Maybe his colleague councillor Wright wants to book Black Lace again for the next expensive and poorly attended Airedo? Or Dicky Mitchell might need another grit bin near the Bus Museum for his convenience? Oh hang on.. isn't he an ex copper? maybe some of his old mates at the station need new torches or push bikes? I do remember reading that there is a NALC conference later in the year, perhaps the money might be needed to send a few councillors on an all expenses trip to learn how to run an efficient council, afterall, the many ones attended so far in the councils history have certainly shown how valuable for the Public they are......... did I say valuable? Of course I meant costly. In closing......... Idiot. Tick Tock Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 2

2:39pm Sun 13 Apr 14

OUT WITH CAVETOWN says...

If you Cavetowners really want to make a difference stand for election.
If not "put up or shut up"
If you Cavetowners really want to make a difference stand for election. If not "put up or shut up" OUT WITH CAVETOWN
  • Score: -4

2:55pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Little Green Man says...

Sour grapes, axes to grind, grudges to bear - how come all these phrases come to mind every time OWC and Sheila 708 get going?
Sour grapes, axes to grind, grudges to bear - how come all these phrases come to mind every time OWC and Sheila 708 get going? Little Green Man
  • Score: -3

4:05pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

Why would anyone wish to join a council not only on the brink of financial disaster, but also currently in the final stages of a countdown to being embarrassed, exposed, disgraced and reprimanded for its actions?
Reread the article owc, try and understand the implications.
On second thoughts, don't bother, keep going the way you are, you're doing a great job.
I owe both you and lgm a drink i think, you make this so easy.
Boltmakers perhaps? I'll let you know when I'm in the area. Im guessing you both drink halves. Probably have to be early doors too i reckon.
Why would anyone wish to join a council not only on the brink of financial disaster, but also currently in the final stages of a countdown to being embarrassed, exposed, disgraced and reprimanded for its actions? Reread the article owc, try and understand the implications. On second thoughts, don't bother, keep going the way you are, you're doing a great job. I owe both you and lgm a drink i think, you make this so easy. Boltmakers perhaps? I'll let you know when I'm in the area. Im guessing you both drink halves. Probably have to be early doors too i reckon. Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 0

6:28pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Little Green Man says...

So drinking pints into the night is your measure of manhood is it Sheila? Seems like your still over-compensating for something :)
So drinking pints into the night is your measure of manhood is it Sheila? Seems like your still over-compensating for something :) Little Green Man
  • Score: 0

8:06am Mon 14 Apr 14

jimmy k says...

it's turning into a harry enfield sketch,remember the scousers whos biggest insult was to call someone a shandy drinker.
it's turning into a harry enfield sketch,remember the scousers whos biggest insult was to call someone a shandy drinker. jimmy k
  • Score: 3

10:12am Mon 14 Apr 14

OUT WITH CAVETOWN says...

jimmy k wrote:
it's turning into a harry enfield sketch,remember the scousers whos biggest insult was to call someone a shandy drinker.
The cast and crew

Cave Town Council
Elizabeth Mitchell - Chieftain
Simon Mitchell - Pendragon
The Gang
Ian Roberts
Mary Roberts
The Reverand AJR
Michael Mitchell
Graham Forsyth
Nicola Garner
Backstage
A failed Councillor
A pretend parish Council Chairman .
[quote][p][bold]jimmy k[/bold] wrote: it's turning into a harry enfield sketch,remember the scousers whos biggest insult was to call someone a shandy drinker.[/p][/quote]The cast and crew Cave Town Council Elizabeth Mitchell - Chieftain Simon Mitchell - Pendragon The Gang Ian Roberts Mary Roberts The Reverand AJR Michael Mitchell Graham Forsyth Nicola Garner Backstage A failed Councillor A pretend parish Council Chairman . OUT WITH CAVETOWN
  • Score: -2

12:13pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

Comparing people to well known characters Jimmy K, sounds like fun, let me try-

Carry on Mick
Sid James stars as a man leading a dual life- Thief one minute, mayor the next.
Catchphrase- I didn't do it!

Termimayor.
A relentless aggressor will stop at nothing to destroy those he believes have ruined his future.
Catchphrase- I'll Be Back!

Animal Farm.
2 Pigs try and control everybody else and make a mockery of democracy.
Catchphrase- Snouts in troughs

Pinoccsheo.
A wooden puppet dreams of being a real mayor and tells lies in the process.
Catchphrase- A lie keeps growing and growing until it's as plain as the nose on your face.

For a Few Dollars More..
A retired Policeman gets angry alot and tries to take his dodgy dealings to a larger scale.
Catchphrase- It's a Civic Amenity.

Dumbo
A circus elephant that believes in magic accidently ends up working for a council.
Catchphrase- I think I can. I think I can. I think I can. I... Think... I... Can...


Game of Thrones
A load of stupid people in a land of make believe try and rule over all.
Catchphrase- I am the king! I will punish you.

To add to the fun Jimmy K, can you guess which councillor or staff member relate to which movie?
Below is a list to help you-


Mick Westerman
Dickie Mitchell
Brian Morris & Tony Wright
Sally Walker
Miggy Baliley
Peter Corkindale
All of the above.

Tick Tock
Comparing people to well known characters Jimmy K, sounds like fun, let me try- Carry on Mick Sid James stars as a man leading a dual life- Thief one minute, mayor the next. Catchphrase- I didn't do it! Termimayor. A relentless aggressor will stop at nothing to destroy those he believes have ruined his future. Catchphrase- I'll Be Back! Animal Farm. 2 Pigs try and control everybody else and make a mockery of democracy. Catchphrase- Snouts in troughs Pinoccsheo. A wooden puppet dreams of being a real mayor and tells lies in the process. Catchphrase- A lie keeps growing and growing until it's as plain as the nose on your face. For a Few Dollars More.. A retired Policeman gets angry alot and tries to take his dodgy dealings to a larger scale. Catchphrase- It's a Civic Amenity. Dumbo A circus elephant that believes in magic accidently ends up working for a council. Catchphrase- I think I can. I think I can. I think I can. I... Think... I... Can... Game of Thrones A load of stupid people in a land of make believe try and rule over all. Catchphrase- I am the king! I will punish you. To add to the fun Jimmy K, can you guess which councillor or staff member relate to which movie? Below is a list to help you- Mick Westerman Dickie Mitchell Brian Morris & Tony Wright Sally Walker Miggy Baliley Peter Corkindale All of the above. Tick Tock Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 1

12:20pm Mon 14 Apr 14

jimmy k says...

as i havent a clue who any of these people are,no i can't, as you well know i was referring to your post where you seem to be insulting people now about their drinking abilities(something most of us grew out of at about 20)as usual both sides of the debate have resorted to childish insults,this week even quicker then normal,do any of you really think this helps your cause?
as i havent a clue who any of these people are,no i can't, as you well know i was referring to your post where you seem to be insulting people now about their drinking abilities(something most of us grew out of at about 20)as usual both sides of the debate have resorted to childish insults,this week even quicker then normal,do any of you really think this helps your cause? jimmy k
  • Score: -4

12:57pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

Can't recall insulting anyone about their drinking abilities Jimmy K.
As for both sides of the debate..... I really can't see that there are 2 sides. Some of us post facts relating to the article and offer our opinions, others post comments about how much they despise Cavetown.
Hardly a debate Jimmy K. I can't recall a single comment in the past year which has been supplied containing a single shred of evidence which either refutes or contradicts anything I or other Cavetown supporters have contributed.
Of course you may disagree Jimmy, but as you claim to be ignorant of council matters it will no doubt be difficult for you to validate your opinion.

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Can't recall insulting anyone about their drinking abilities Jimmy K. As for both sides of the debate..... I really can't see that there are 2 sides. Some of us post facts relating to the article and offer our opinions, others post comments about how much they despise Cavetown. Hardly a debate Jimmy K. I can't recall a single comment in the past year which has been supplied containing a single shred of evidence which either refutes or contradicts anything I or other Cavetown supporters have contributed. Of course you may disagree Jimmy, but as you claim to be ignorant of council matters it will no doubt be difficult for you to validate your opinion. . Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 1

1:23pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Little Green Man says...

Off topic already - so easy :)
Off topic already - so easy :) Little Green Man
  • Score: -2

1:30pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

Little Green Man wrote:
Off topic already - so easy :)
topic
ˈtɒpɪk/Submit
noun
1.
a matter dealt with in a text, discourse, or conversation; a subject.
...............
Depends on what you perceive the topic to be LGM.
[quote][p][bold]Little Green Man[/bold] wrote: Off topic already - so easy :)[/p][/quote]topic ˈtɒpɪk/Submit noun 1. a matter dealt with in a text, discourse, or conversation; a subject. ............... Depends on what you perceive the topic to be LGM. Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: -1

1:36pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Little Green Man says...

Confirmed.
Confirmed. Little Green Man
  • Score: -2

1:43pm Mon 14 Apr 14

jimmy k says...

Always a 708 Skinhead wrote:
Comparing people to well known characters Jimmy K, sounds like fun, let me try-

Carry on Mick
Sid James stars as a man leading a dual life- Thief one minute, mayor the next.
Catchphrase- I didn't do it!

Termimayor.
A relentless aggressor will stop at nothing to destroy those he believes have ruined his future.
Catchphrase- I'll Be Back!

Animal Farm.
2 Pigs try and control everybody else and make a mockery of democracy.
Catchphrase- Snouts in troughs

Pinoccsheo.
A wooden puppet dreams of being a real mayor and tells lies in the process.
Catchphrase- A lie keeps growing and growing until it's as plain as the nose on your face.

For a Few Dollars More..
A retired Policeman gets angry alot and tries to take his dodgy dealings to a larger scale.
Catchphrase- It's a Civic Amenity.

Dumbo
A circus elephant that believes in magic accidently ends up working for a council.
Catchphrase- I think I can. I think I can. I think I can. I... Think... I... Can...


Game of Thrones
A load of stupid people in a land of make believe try and rule over all.
Catchphrase- I am the king! I will punish you.

To add to the fun Jimmy K, can you guess which councillor or staff member relate to which movie?
Below is a list to help you-


Mick Westerman
Dickie Mitchell
Brian Morris & Tony Wright
Sally Walker
Miggy Baliley
Peter Corkindale
All of the above.

Tick Tock
facts?????
[quote][p][bold]Always a 708 Skinhead[/bold] wrote: Comparing people to well known characters Jimmy K, sounds like fun, let me try- Carry on Mick Sid James stars as a man leading a dual life- Thief one minute, mayor the next. Catchphrase- I didn't do it! Termimayor. A relentless aggressor will stop at nothing to destroy those he believes have ruined his future. Catchphrase- I'll Be Back! Animal Farm. 2 Pigs try and control everybody else and make a mockery of democracy. Catchphrase- Snouts in troughs Pinoccsheo. A wooden puppet dreams of being a real mayor and tells lies in the process. Catchphrase- A lie keeps growing and growing until it's as plain as the nose on your face. For a Few Dollars More.. A retired Policeman gets angry alot and tries to take his dodgy dealings to a larger scale. Catchphrase- It's a Civic Amenity. Dumbo A circus elephant that believes in magic accidently ends up working for a council. Catchphrase- I think I can. I think I can. I think I can. I... Think... I... Can... Game of Thrones A load of stupid people in a land of make believe try and rule over all. Catchphrase- I am the king! I will punish you. To add to the fun Jimmy K, can you guess which councillor or staff member relate to which movie? Below is a list to help you- Mick Westerman Dickie Mitchell Brian Morris & Tony Wright Sally Walker Miggy Baliley Peter Corkindale All of the above. Tick Tock[/p][/quote]facts????? jimmy k
  • Score: 0

2:07pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

Perhaps this will help get back to what you perceive to be the topic LGM-

28 January 2011. KTC Financial Adviser, Keith Pickles. Report on 2011-12 Budget

2) There is no provision in the budget for the running costs of the Civic Centre. All these costs will have to be met from income. This includes the costs of repaying the PWLB loan of £1.1, which in 2011-12 will amount to around £50,000
3) The capital cost of the Civic centre will have to be met from the £1.1 m PWLB loan plus the £110,000 available from the sale of the Skipton Road Allotments There are no other reserves available to fund any additional expenditure apart from cutting the 2011-12 revenue expenditure.
4) It is likely that the income generated by the projects coordinator will fall short of the budget in 2011-2012. This can be met from general reserves in this year. However, should income fail to meet the budget figure in 2011-12, there are only small reserves to cover this, and could probably only be financed by reducing spending elsewhere.

At least it does 'confirm' one thing LGM, that the council has been aware that the Civic Centre would be a burden on the tax payer as far back as January 2011.
3 years running up massive debts and still no sign of the council turning this around. Current options being considered by KTC-
1. Throw more money at it by paying a professional to draw up a business plan.
2. Rely on a business plan drawn up by an amatuer, councillor Corkindale, a retired police officer who created an unregistered company called the Police Experience to run the Civic Centre, only to hand control back to the council because he couldn't find any possible way to make the business viable.

As you can LGM, sometimes you need to look at the bigger picture in order to realise just what the topic really is.

Tick Tock
Perhaps this will help get back to what you perceive to be the topic LGM- 28 January 2011. KTC Financial Adviser, Keith Pickles. Report on 2011-12 Budget 2) There is no provision in the budget for the running costs of the Civic Centre. All these costs will have to be met from income. This includes the costs of repaying the PWLB loan of £1.1, which in 2011-12 will amount to around £50,000 3) The capital cost of the Civic centre will have to be met from the £1.1 m PWLB loan plus the £110,000 available from the sale of the Skipton Road Allotments There are no other reserves available to fund any additional expenditure apart from cutting the 2011-12 revenue expenditure. 4) It is likely that the income generated by the projects coordinator will fall short of the budget in 2011-2012. This can be met from general reserves in this year. However, should income fail to meet the budget figure in 2011-12, there are only small reserves to cover this, and could probably only be financed by reducing spending elsewhere. At least it does 'confirm' one thing LGM, that the council has been aware that the Civic Centre would be a burden on the tax payer as far back as January 2011. 3 years running up massive debts and still no sign of the council turning this around. Current options being considered by KTC- 1. Throw more money at it by paying a professional to draw up a business plan. 2. Rely on a business plan drawn up by an amatuer, councillor Corkindale, a retired police officer who created an unregistered company called the Police Experience to run the Civic Centre, only to hand control back to the council because he couldn't find any possible way to make the business viable. As you can LGM, sometimes you need to look at the bigger picture in order to realise just what the topic really is. Tick Tock Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 3

3:23pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Little Green Man says...

Better!
Better! Little Green Man
  • Score: -1

5:36pm Mon 14 Apr 14

notthecivic says...

always a skin 708 heres a name for you A.G.O.B. it stands for australian gipsy on benefits . well you must be cos you seem to have all the time in the world to be putting your big nose into things that dont effect you.
always a skin 708 heres a name for you A.G.O.B. it stands for australian gipsy on benefits . well you must be cos you seem to have all the time in the world to be putting your big nose into things that dont effect you. notthecivic
  • Score: -5

6:27pm Mon 14 Apr 14

OUT WITH CAVETOWN says...

Remember Cavetown are a Non Political Party .
However one of their supporters "Camper Van" made an attempt to stand .
First application was late.
Second application had signatures from the wrong ward.
Shame he would have been an ideal puppet for the Mitchell family.
Remember Cavetown are a Non Political Party . However one of their supporters "Camper Van" made an attempt to stand . First application was late. Second application had signatures from the wrong ward. Shame he would have been an ideal puppet for the Mitchell family. OUT WITH CAVETOWN
  • Score: -6

9:44pm Mon 14 Apr 14

notthecivic says...

daleskampadalad aka leo robinson went around to get 10 names for the braithwaite and laycock ward to have an election but the numpty went to the wrong area so the names was rejected by the elections office , he is also one of the cavetown gang that are screaming about the precept rise but still he goes out of his way to cost around £6000,00 out the ratepayers pocket for an election , in the words of my old school master " THAT BOYS SUCH A FOOL " do cavetown really speak for the residents of keighley ? they are costing the ratepayers unneccesary expence .
daleskampadalad aka leo robinson went around to get 10 names for the braithwaite and laycock ward to have an election but the numpty went to the wrong area so the names was rejected by the elections office , he is also one of the cavetown gang that are screaming about the precept rise but still he goes out of his way to cost around £6000,00 out the ratepayers pocket for an election , in the words of my old school master " THAT BOYS SUCH A FOOL " do cavetown really speak for the residents of keighley ? they are costing the ratepayers unneccesary expence . notthecivic
  • Score: -3

9:33am Tue 15 Apr 14

notthecivic says...

strange that cavetown have gone quiet after the last comment !!!!!!!!!!
strange that cavetown have gone quiet after the last comment !!!!!!!!!! notthecivic
  • Score: -3

2:37pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

Keighley Bus Museum. Run by councillor Mitchell. Receives donations from KTC.
Keighley Police. Former employer of councillor Corkindale. Receives donations fron KTC.
Keighley Cougars. Victim of councillor and convicted thief Westerman. Receives absolutely nothing from KTC.

Nearly 800 grand a year of which 12% is spent on the town.
A few torches for the coppers and a bus on boxing day for a few councillors pet projects.
Keighley Town council really are looking like an unnecessary expense.

Tick Tock
Keighley Bus Museum. Run by councillor Mitchell. Receives donations from KTC. Keighley Police. Former employer of councillor Corkindale. Receives donations fron KTC. Keighley Cougars. Victim of councillor and convicted thief Westerman. Receives absolutely nothing from KTC. Nearly 800 grand a year of which 12% is spent on the town. A few torches for the coppers and a bus on boxing day for a few councillors pet projects. Keighley Town council really are looking like an unnecessary expense. Tick Tock Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: -1

4:54pm Tue 15 Apr 14

OUT WITH CAVETOWN says...

Camper van would have joined the existing spineless Councillors supporting Cavetown.
The I love Simon Badge would have looked nice in Pink.
Camper van would have joined the existing spineless Councillors supporting Cavetown. The I love Simon Badge would have looked nice in Pink. OUT WITH CAVETOWN
  • Score: -1

4:59pm Tue 15 Apr 14

notthecivic says...

always a skin are you going to try defend cavetown members trying to cost ratepayers £ 6000,00 on an election but failed, cos one numpty went canvasing the wrong area , perhaps thats why you cant find a trolley in morrisons cos leo robinson took them to asda instead of where he collects them from .
always a skin are you going to try defend cavetown members trying to cost ratepayers £ 6000,00 on an election but failed, cos one numpty went canvasing the wrong area , perhaps thats why you cant find a trolley in morrisons cos leo robinson took them to asda instead of where he collects them from . notthecivic
  • Score: -2

7:27pm Tue 15 Apr 14

OUT WITH CAVETOWN says...

notthecivic wrote:
always a skin are you going to try defend cavetown members trying to cost ratepayers £ 6000,00 on an election but failed, cos one numpty went canvasing the wrong area , perhaps thats why you cant find a trolley in morrisons cos leo robinson took them to asda instead of where he collects them from .
"One man alone can be pretty dumb sometimes, but for real bona fide stupidity, there ain't nothin' can beat Cavetown ."
[quote][p][bold]notthecivic[/bold] wrote: always a skin are you going to try defend cavetown members trying to cost ratepayers £ 6000,00 on an election but failed, cos one numpty went canvasing the wrong area , perhaps thats why you cant find a trolley in morrisons cos leo robinson took them to asda instead of where he collects them from .[/p][/quote]"One man alone can be pretty dumb sometimes, but for real bona fide stupidity, there ain't nothin' can beat Cavetown ." OUT WITH CAVETOWN
  • Score: -1

7:33pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Little Green Man says...

I might actually be in the Boltmakers at the weekend if anyone fancies a pint or two...
I might actually be in the Boltmakers at the weekend if anyone fancies a pint or two... Little Green Man
  • Score: 0

7:44pm Tue 15 Apr 14

jimmy k says...

the police once employed a councilor,you must admit mr skinhead thats pretty tenuous even for a conspiracy theory
the police once employed a councilor,you must admit mr skinhead thats pretty tenuous even for a conspiracy theory jimmy k
  • Score: 0

10:29pm Tue 15 Apr 14

notthecivic says...

BREAKING NEWS !!!! MORRISONS SUPERMARKET KEIGHLEY ARE TRYING TO LOCATE ITS MISSING TROLLEY !!! LAST SEEN BEING PUSHED BY A MAN IN A BUDDIST SUIT HEADING DOWN WORTH WAY THIS COULD NOW BE AT THE ELECTIONS OFFICE IN BRADFORD WITH HUNDREDS OF NAMES ON A PIECE OF PAPER WANTING AN ELECTION OR IT COULD JUST BE LEO ROBINSON IS SO DEDICATED TO HIS WORK HE HAS JUST TAKEN IT HOME FOR THE NIGHT . ....................
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. UPDATE TROLLEY LAST SPOTTED ENTERING ALDI IN GRESLEY ROAD ... PLEASE KEEP A LOOK OUT AND POST IF SEEN ..( DONT THINK IVE GONE OF THE TOPIC )
BREAKING NEWS !!!! MORRISONS SUPERMARKET KEIGHLEY ARE TRYING TO LOCATE ITS MISSING TROLLEY !!! LAST SEEN BEING PUSHED BY A MAN IN A BUDDIST SUIT HEADING DOWN WORTH WAY THIS COULD NOW BE AT THE ELECTIONS OFFICE IN BRADFORD WITH HUNDREDS OF NAMES ON A PIECE OF PAPER WANTING AN ELECTION OR IT COULD JUST BE LEO ROBINSON IS SO DEDICATED TO HIS WORK HE HAS JUST TAKEN IT HOME FOR THE NIGHT . .................... .................... . UPDATE TROLLEY LAST SPOTTED ENTERING ALDI IN GRESLEY ROAD ... PLEASE KEEP A LOOK OUT AND POST IF SEEN ..( DONT THINK IVE GONE OF THE TOPIC ) notthecivic
  • Score: -2

11:47pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

No conspiracy theory Jimmy. The article regards an argument at the council over allocation of public funds. I simply highlighted where some of this money is currently spent along with the connection these groups have to serving councillors. I then make reference to the Cougars, a local group who once did receive donations from the council until they fell victim to the criminal actions of councillor Westerman who stole money from the club and who now no longer receive any form of assistance from the council.
I then point out the vast amount of income which the council receives via the precept and Brad Met to point out that if the money wasn't used as Pedley suggests, it will most likely be used for councillor expenses, staff wages or debts incurred by the Civic Centre.
No conspiracy theory Jimmy. The article regards an argument at the council over allocation of public funds. I simply highlighted where some of this money is currently spent along with the connection these groups have to serving councillors. I then make reference to the Cougars, a local group who once did receive donations from the council until they fell victim to the criminal actions of councillor Westerman who stole money from the club and who now no longer receive any form of assistance from the council. I then point out the vast amount of income which the council receives via the precept and Brad Met to point out that if the money wasn't used as Pedley suggests, it will most likely be used for councillor expenses, staff wages or debts incurred by the Civic Centre. Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 1

2:43am Wed 16 Apr 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

I like the solution to the argument which has been presented by notthecivic and owc.
As the council raises money each year to pay for by elections via the budget for the precept, and given that due to the council's failure to provide clear information on the correct process required in order to call an election, it now looks like the seat will be filled by co-option.

They money saved on the by election could certainly be used for the professional business plan suggested by Pedley as both estimates are in a similar ball park.
Well done guys! I am sure your idea will be welcomed by councillor Pedley to help reinforce his side of the argument.
I like the solution to the argument which has been presented by notthecivic and owc. As the council raises money each year to pay for by elections via the budget for the precept, and given that due to the council's failure to provide clear information on the correct process required in order to call an election, it now looks like the seat will be filled by co-option. They money saved on the by election could certainly be used for the professional business plan suggested by Pedley as both estimates are in a similar ball park. Well done guys! I am sure your idea will be welcomed by councillor Pedley to help reinforce his side of the argument. Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 1

4:21am Wed 16 Apr 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

While your solution may help solve the immediate dispute notthecivic and owc, it does highlight a much bigger issue.
Given that funds are allocated out of the precept money for democratic election of replacement councillors, why is the council failing to ensure the process is both straight forward and information about it wifely distributed?
On. A similar subject, what are your thoughts on councillors gaining their seats in. Npn contested Wards? Particularly ones with a criminal history?
While your solution may help solve the immediate dispute notthecivic and owc, it does highlight a much bigger issue. Given that funds are allocated out of the precept money for democratic election of replacement councillors, why is the council failing to ensure the process is both straight forward and information about it wifely distributed? On. A similar subject, what are your thoughts on councillors gaining their seats in. Npn contested Wards? Particularly ones with a criminal history? Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 1

9:10am Wed 16 Apr 14

OUT WITH CAVETOWN says...

I wonder if the Mitchell family have a Golden Trolley and used it when they collected the Whistleblowing money , hence the attraction of Camper Van .
It would i presume have a child seat for No4Skin.
I wonder if the Mitchell family have a Golden Trolley and used it when they collected the Whistleblowing money , hence the attraction of Camper Van . It would i presume have a child seat for No4Skin. OUT WITH CAVETOWN
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10:18am Wed 16 Apr 14

Stand up to bullies says...

notthecivic wrote:
daleskampadalad aka leo robinson went around to get 10 names for the braithwaite and laycock ward to have an election but the numpty went to the wrong area so the names was rejected by the elections office , he is also one of the cavetown gang that are screaming about the precept rise but still he goes out of his way to cost around £6000,00 out the ratepayers pocket for an election , in the words of my old school master " THAT BOYS SUCH A FOOL " do cavetown really speak for the residents of keighley ? they are costing the ratepayers unneccesary expence .
OMG he went to the wrong area? H ha ha what an idiot. Just shows what numpties they all are
[quote][p][bold]notthecivic[/bold] wrote: daleskampadalad aka leo robinson went around to get 10 names for the braithwaite and laycock ward to have an election but the numpty went to the wrong area so the names was rejected by the elections office , he is also one of the cavetown gang that are screaming about the precept rise but still he goes out of his way to cost around £6000,00 out the ratepayers pocket for an election , in the words of my old school master " THAT BOYS SUCH A FOOL " do cavetown really speak for the residents of keighley ? they are costing the ratepayers unneccesary expence .[/p][/quote]OMG he went to the wrong area? H ha ha what an idiot. Just shows what numpties they all are Stand up to bullies
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1:44pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

Why does the council have a website when it fails to use it to inform the Public of such important matters as by elections and the processes involved and the requirements for calling an election?

It seems odd that Keighley Town council is very noisy about being an open and transparent council, yet when it comes to informing the Public on matters which concern them it fails so badly in it's duties.

No mention of the by election but pictures of the mayor with Harry Gration were uploaded the day after the photo's were taken.
Shameless self promotion rather than a useful and convenient way of informing the Public about serious matters.

What a disgrace.
Why does the council have a website when it fails to use it to inform the Public of such important matters as by elections and the processes involved and the requirements for calling an election? It seems odd that Keighley Town council is very noisy about being an open and transparent council, yet when it comes to informing the Public on matters which concern them it fails so badly in it's duties. No mention of the by election but pictures of the mayor with Harry Gration were uploaded the day after the photo's were taken. Shameless self promotion rather than a useful and convenient way of informing the Public about serious matters. What a disgrace. Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 3

4:55pm Wed 16 Apr 14

notthecivic says...

do you read the notice boards always a 4 skin ? oops sorry i forgot your a faceless person whom was in this country last march but did not after all your rantings turn up to the annual town meeting . so next time you are on parole from the worlds largest open prison perhaps you could attend a council meeting and face the people you so happily slag off from 12000. miles away .
do you read the notice boards always a 4 skin ? oops sorry i forgot your a faceless person whom was in this country last march but did not after all your rantings turn up to the annual town meeting . so next time you are on parole from the worlds largest open prison perhaps you could attend a council meeting and face the people you so happily slag off from 12000. miles away . notthecivic
  • Score: 1

10:02pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

A notice board for over 50,000 residents? All the while running a website at tax payers expense which fails to provide the info.
As i said a propaganda site. Thankyou for confirming this notthecivic.
A notice board for over 50,000 residents? All the while running a website at tax payers expense which fails to provide the info. As i said a propaganda site. Thankyou for confirming this notthecivic. Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 2

10:29pm Wed 16 Apr 14

OUT WITH CAVETOWN says...

notthecivic wrote:
do you read the notice boards always a 4 skin ? oops sorry i forgot your a faceless person whom was in this country last march but did not after all your rantings turn up to the annual town meeting . so next time you are on parole from the worlds largest open prison perhaps you could attend a council meeting and face the people you so happily slag off from 12000. miles away .
So the KING of Cavetown could have attended the last annual meeting .
But chose not to --speaks volumes .
A Keyboard Warrior --
" generally identified by unnecessary rage in their written communications, and are regarded as 'losers' "
[quote][p][bold]notthecivic[/bold] wrote: do you read the notice boards always a 4 skin ? oops sorry i forgot your a faceless person whom was in this country last march but did not after all your rantings turn up to the annual town meeting . so next time you are on parole from the worlds largest open prison perhaps you could attend a council meeting and face the people you so happily slag off from 12000. miles away .[/p][/quote]So the KING of Cavetown could have attended the last annual meeting . But chose not to --speaks volumes . A Keyboard Warrior -- " generally identified by unnecessary rage in their written communications, and are regarded as 'losers' " OUT WITH CAVETOWN
  • Score: -2

1:47am Thu 17 Apr 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

Was that the meeting held on the 21st March 2013? The one where the council boasted loudly about all the business partners it had secured for the civic centre?
Partners who have all since left, in a matter of months and who are now taking legal action against KTC?
Sadly i wasn't in the country for that meeting. Not sure where you are getting your information from..but as with most things involving the council, you got it wrong.
Shame really. I would of enjoyed witnessing so many councillors making fools of themselves so publicly.
Was that the meeting held on the 21st March 2013? The one where the council boasted loudly about all the business partners it had secured for the civic centre? Partners who have all since left, in a matter of months and who are now taking legal action against KTC? Sadly i wasn't in the country for that meeting. Not sure where you are getting your information from..but as with most things involving the council, you got it wrong. Shame really. I would of enjoyed witnessing so many councillors making fools of themselves so publicly. Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 2

10:36am Thu 17 Apr 14

OUT WITH CAVETOWN says...

Oh Lordy,
Camper Van is now urging Cavetown to get together and formulate a list of ideas.

Free shopping trolleys ?
Oh Lordy, Camper Van is now urging Cavetown to get together and formulate a list of ideas. Free shopping trolleys ? OUT WITH CAVETOWN
  • Score: -4

11:23am Thu 17 Apr 14

Always a 708 Skinhead says...

Interesting article on the CPALC (Communities Parish and Local Councils) website today. Titled- Are You Just Rubber Stamping the Town and Parish Council Annual Return?
Recommended reading for ALL serving KTC councillors. Particularly they may like to note the paragraph which mentions how Reports in the Public Interest have in some cases led to the Principal Authority merging the failing council with a neighbour.

It is that time of year again when the council should be producing it's annual report. Problem at Keighley Town council is that the Auditors still haven't finished wading through the mess that was produced last year.
Hopefully this year the councillors aren't foolish enough to simply pass the accounts unseen.

Tick Tock
Interesting article on the CPALC (Communities Parish and Local Councils) website today. Titled- Are You Just Rubber Stamping the Town and Parish Council Annual Return? Recommended reading for ALL serving KTC councillors. Particularly they may like to note the paragraph which mentions how Reports in the Public Interest have in some cases led to the Principal Authority merging the failing council with a neighbour. It is that time of year again when the council should be producing it's annual report. Problem at Keighley Town council is that the Auditors still haven't finished wading through the mess that was produced last year. Hopefully this year the councillors aren't foolish enough to simply pass the accounts unseen. Tick Tock Always a 708 Skinhead
  • Score: 1

7:52pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Little Green Man says...

Zzzzz...
Zzzzz... Little Green Man
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