Massive rise of Keighley people in poverty trap

Keighley News: Chris Bown, of Keighley Salvation Army, with some of the hundreds of toys donated to be given to needy families in time for Christmas Chris Bown, of Keighley Salvation Army, with some of the hundreds of toys donated to be given to needy families in time for Christmas

Charities in Keighley providing a lifeline to the needy have seen an unprecedented surge in demand as soaring numbers of townspeople plunge into poverty.

About 100 food parcels a week – twice the number of a year ago – are now being handed out at Salvation Army drop-in sessions.

A weekly soup kitchen – run in Keighley by the Intouch Found-ation – has seen a twofold increase in its users.

And an organisation that provides winter shelter to the homeless has revealed demands for its service have also rocketed.

Chris Bown, development manager at the Salvation Army’s High Street centre, said: “We can’t keep up with the number of people coming through the door.

“The need has absolutely soared. The amount we are now doing is massive.”

Changes to the welfare benefits system are among the reasons cited for the whopping upsurge in people desperately seeking help.

“We are seeing a lot more Job Centre referrals as people are ‘sanctioned’ and lose benefits for several weeks,” said Mrs Bown.

“General increases in food and fuel prices are also hitting people really hard.”

In addition to the Thursday drop-in sessions, when it is mostly individuals who receive parcels, the Salvation Army distributes between 30 and 40 packages a week to families referred from agencies.

Earlier this year it was revealed some Keighley families have as little as £5 a week to feed themselves.

Mrs Bown said the amount of food being donated to the organisation had also risen, and she paid glowing tribute to everyone providing vital support.

“It’s fantastic how much we get – every day we receive a delivery of food from someone,” she added. “People have been so generous.

“Churches, schools and other organisations help us, and Sainsbury’s is extremely supportive. Without this backing from the community, we would not be able to provide the help we do.”

She said there are particular items they are always short of, such as tinned meat and fish, rice pudding, cereals and sugar.

Goods can be taken to the Salvation Army centre or to Sainsbury’s in Cavendish Street.

The Intouch Foundation, which operates a mobile soup kitchen at Church Green every Wednesday evening, has never been as busy.

Khurm Mehzar, for the scheme, said: “When we launched in Keighley in April, we were serving about 40 to 50 people – now the figure is about 80.

“The benefits people are receiving are not sufficient to pay their gas or electricity and other bills and still have enough left for food.”

Meanwhile, the homeless are again being helped by the Inn Churches’ winter shelter project.

Eighteen churches across the Keighley and Bradford district – including All Saints’ at Highfield – are opening up for a week to provide shelter and meals.

The project, which began earlier this month and runs until the end of March, is limited to taking 12 referrals each week.

But joint local co-ordinator, Alan Mottershead, revealed: “There are more people becoming victims of homelessness and needing the service.

“People lose their jobs or benefits and then things can spiral and become very difficult.”

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8:49am Tue 24 Dec 13

Mixter says...

While there has been genuine poverty since the dawn of time, how many of these 'needy' people are just greedy, have no shame, and will put their name down for literally 'owt for nowt'?

Because, there are certainly plenty of them when other commodities outside food are on offer. So i dont see many of them drawing the line at 'free food'.

Id also question the 'Keighley people' tag. Really - all of them?
While there has been genuine poverty since the dawn of time, how many of these 'needy' people are just greedy, have no shame, and will put their name down for literally 'owt for nowt'? Because, there are certainly plenty of them when other commodities outside food are on offer. So i dont see many of them drawing the line at 'free food'. Id also question the 'Keighley people' tag. Really - all of them? Mixter

12:00pm Tue 24 Dec 13

audal says...

And the gov. says we have room for even more people come the new year.
And the gov. says we have room for even more people come the new year. audal

9:21am Thu 26 Dec 13

Katiery says...

You can't just pop round and get a hand out. The people who use the foodbanks have to be refered by an outside agency, one who has the relevant information about the household income - or should I say, lack of income.
It's not a free for all.
You can't just pop round and get a hand out. The people who use the foodbanks have to be refered by an outside agency, one who has the relevant information about the household income - or should I say, lack of income. It's not a free for all. Katiery

11:41am Thu 26 Dec 13

pjl20 says...

Mixter wrote:
While there has been genuine poverty since the dawn of time, how many of these 'needy' people are just greedy, have no shame, and will put their name down for literally 'owt for nowt'?

Because, there are certainly plenty of them when other commodities outside food are on offer. So i dont see many of them drawing the line at 'free food'.

Id also question the 'Keighley people' tag. Really - all of them?
I think that 'Mixter' is rather out of touch with reality, don't you?

Why not talk with some voluntary organisations and find out the truth.

The welfare & benefit cuts and general austerity measures introduced by this coalition government, coupled with constantly rising and uncontrolled food and commodity prices are a reality.
[quote][p][bold]Mixter[/bold] wrote: While there has been genuine poverty since the dawn of time, how many of these 'needy' people are just greedy, have no shame, and will put their name down for literally 'owt for nowt'? Because, there are certainly plenty of them when other commodities outside food are on offer. So i dont see many of them drawing the line at 'free food'. Id also question the 'Keighley people' tag. Really - all of them?[/p][/quote]I think that 'Mixter' is rather out of touch with reality, don't you? Why not talk with some voluntary organisations and find out the truth. The welfare & benefit cuts and general austerity measures introduced by this coalition government, coupled with constantly rising and uncontrolled food and commodity prices are a reality. pjl20

12:20pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Mixter says...

pjl20 wrote:
Mixter wrote:
While there has been genuine poverty since the dawn of time, how many of these 'needy' people are just greedy, have no shame, and will put their name down for literally 'owt for nowt'?

Because, there are certainly plenty of them when other commodities outside food are on offer. So i dont see many of them drawing the line at 'free food'.

Id also question the 'Keighley people' tag. Really - all of them?
I think that 'Mixter' is rather out of touch with reality, don't you?

Why not talk with some voluntary organisations and find out the truth.

The welfare & benefit cuts and general austerity measures introduced by this coalition government, coupled with constantly rising and uncontrolled food and commodity prices are a reality.
Im out of touch? Since when has Hunger been a political issue?

There was no poverty or 'starvation' under the previous government, was there? I will grant you the 'stats' showed less, but i will also ask you who it was that allowed millions more Europeans over to either become one of these statistics, or take jobs that people already here either were or could be doing.

This has all had an impact to force the aforementioned cuts, because the country just can't afford to 'hand out' at will.

IF its the case food bank recipients have to be referred, i will take by my accusations of them.
[quote][p][bold]pjl20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mixter[/bold] wrote: While there has been genuine poverty since the dawn of time, how many of these 'needy' people are just greedy, have no shame, and will put their name down for literally 'owt for nowt'? Because, there are certainly plenty of them when other commodities outside food are on offer. So i dont see many of them drawing the line at 'free food'. Id also question the 'Keighley people' tag. Really - all of them?[/p][/quote]I think that 'Mixter' is rather out of touch with reality, don't you? Why not talk with some voluntary organisations and find out the truth. The welfare & benefit cuts and general austerity measures introduced by this coalition government, coupled with constantly rising and uncontrolled food and commodity prices are a reality.[/p][/quote]Im out of touch? Since when has Hunger been a political issue? There was no poverty or 'starvation' under the previous government, was there? I will grant you the 'stats' showed less, but i will also ask you who it was that allowed millions more Europeans over to either become one of these statistics, or take jobs that people already here either were or could be doing. This has all had an impact to force the aforementioned cuts, because the country just can't afford to 'hand out' at will. IF its the case food bank recipients have to be referred, i will take by my accusations of them. Mixter

3:17pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Little Green Man says...

;millions more europeans' - really Mix? Get your facts straight mate... thats the kind of argument I'd expect from pjl the guy ur arguing with u numpty.
;millions more europeans' - really Mix? Get your facts straight mate... thats the kind of argument I'd expect from pjl the guy ur arguing with u numpty. Little Green Man

4:34pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Gobbag Vooar says...

A complex subject, but Katiery is right, food banks are not a free shop.
Austerity and cuts by the gov, are something we all have to bear, but when they let the greedy energy companies do as they like, that is far from fair, these fat cats need bringing into line Fast.
pjl20, We can not sustain further mass immigration, our services from welfare to hospitals are at breaking point, and again Cameron lacks the guts to stand up to the E.U. Disgusting !
I am still of the opinion pjl20 that you have a lot to learn about Keighley, it could return a large UKIP vote at the next election, that is if you start to listen and learn. I have had more correspondence from your party before Christmas, they need a strong voice in Keighley, not just one who criticises those who appose, we can all do that, as seen on these sites...
A complex subject, but Katiery is right, food banks are not a free shop. Austerity and cuts by the gov, are something we all have to bear, but when they let the greedy energy companies do as they like, that is far from fair, these fat cats need bringing into line Fast. pjl20, We can not sustain further mass immigration, our services from welfare to hospitals are at breaking point, and again Cameron lacks the guts to stand up to the E.U. Disgusting ! I am still of the opinion pjl20 that you have a lot to learn about Keighley, it could return a large UKIP vote at the next election, that is if you start to listen and learn. I have had more correspondence from your party before Christmas, they need a strong voice in Keighley, not just one who criticises those who appose, we can all do that, as seen on these sites... Gobbag Vooar

9:40am Fri 27 Dec 13

Katiery says...

Mixter says: ....who it was that allowed millions more Europeans over to either become one of these statistics, or take jobs that people already here either were or could be doing....

I think you will find that it was the Conservative Party when they signed us up to join the European Union in 1993. Please check on the need for referals to food banks, you will find it is correct.

Gobbag Vooar, if Keighey returns a large UKIP vote then it's time to move somewhere else. They have very limited policies, one of which is leaving the European Union, but their leader is very happy to be paid to be a European M.P. right now? If they dislike the EU so much why is Farrage happy to take European money until something 'better' comes along?

I did ask pjl20 for details of UKIP policies other than the main 6 on their page but he hasn't responded, so I presume that they do not have any others.
Mixter says: ....who it was that allowed millions more Europeans over to either become one of these statistics, or take jobs that people already here either were or could be doing.... I think you will find that it was the Conservative Party when they signed us up to join the European Union in 1993. Please check on the need for referals to food banks, you will find it is correct. Gobbag Vooar, if Keighey returns a large UKIP vote then it's time to move somewhere else. They have very limited policies, one of which is leaving the European Union, but their leader is very happy to be paid to be a European M.P. right now? If they dislike the EU so much why is Farrage happy to take European money until something 'better' comes along? I did ask pjl20 for details of UKIP policies other than the main 6 on their page but he hasn't responded, so I presume that they do not have any others. Katiery

9:53am Fri 27 Dec 13

Mixter says...

Katiery,

Joining the EU wasnt meant to be an 'open door' to mass immigration. And, it stretches back to the Common Market in the 70's, for the record. It was Heath who got us our first toe-hold on this ladder. But, the old Labour regime have already held their hands up to their lax Multicultural policies of the 90's being a bad idea, and responsible for the mess we have today. It was this lot that opened us up to floods of folk from, ostensibly, the EU. And while the stats can give any number that have deemed to come over, anybody but the blind can see that it is a hell of a lot more. Add to these god knows how many from Asia in the backs of wagons, and you can see why our limited resources cannot cope.

There is only so much money, food and housing to go round. Its not rocket science. Fill your own house with anybody that happens to be passing off the street, and see how far your own resources stretch!
Katiery, Joining the EU wasnt meant to be an 'open door' to mass immigration. And, it stretches back to the Common Market in the 70's, for the record. It was Heath who got us our first toe-hold on this ladder. But, the old Labour regime have already held their hands up to their lax Multicultural policies of the 90's being a bad idea, and responsible for the mess we have today. It was this lot that opened us up to floods of folk from, ostensibly, the EU. And while the stats can give any number that have deemed to come over, anybody but the blind can see that it is a hell of a lot more. Add to these god knows how many from Asia in the backs of wagons, and you can see why our limited resources cannot cope. There is only so much money, food and housing to go round. Its not rocket science. Fill your own house with anybody that happens to be passing off the street, and see how far your own resources stretch! Mixter

10:19am Fri 27 Dec 13

Katiery says...

Mixter, maybe not, but it is an open door now and the doorway is widening so many more will arrive. I accept that and I understand that but no one who can change it seems to be interested. Instead they will remove access to benefits for those who need them most, fiddle unemployment statistics with 'zero hours' contracts - they don't work, I am on one and haven't worked since October - and generally insist that we 'cope'.

If we had the same rules as almost every other country for healthcare access and insisted that a valid health insurance policy was necessary and checked before anyone - even EU residents, try getting healthcare in Spain if you are not insured - then that would ease that situation a little, but our Government are hell bent on blaming only the 'poor' for all of our problems.

Unfortunately, we no longer have a political party worth voting for and I include UKIP.

This makes interesting reading. Sad, but interesting.
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Mixter, maybe not, but it is an open door now and the doorway is widening so many more will arrive. I accept that and I understand that but no one who can change it seems to be interested. Instead they will remove access to benefits for those who need them most, fiddle unemployment statistics with 'zero hours' contracts - they don't work, I am on one and haven't worked since October - and generally insist that we 'cope'. If we had the same rules as almost every other country for healthcare access and insisted that a valid health insurance policy was necessary and checked before anyone - even EU residents, try getting healthcare in Spain if you are not insured - then that would ease that situation a little, but our Government are hell bent on blaming only the 'poor' for all of our problems. Unfortunately, we no longer have a political party worth voting for and I include UKIP. This makes interesting reading. Sad, but interesting. http://welfarenewsse rvice.com/disabled-m an-found-fit-work-ki lled-sickness-benefi ts-stopped/ Katiery

10:24am Fri 27 Dec 13

Gobbag Vooar says...

It is not a case of supporting any one particular party at this moment Katiery, I am only giving an opinion.
As for a high UKIP vote, this is a possibility, whatever you, or I think. People are fed up of the Tories, fed up of Labour, and the Libs do not come into the equation,. Here we have a party gaining pace across a country, a country generally dissatisfied with the EU and immigration. Here Keighley people will have a real alternative, it will soon be make your mind up time.
If it is any comfort, the UKIP candidate, as I said seems to have a lot to learn, and does not seem to be making any real impact in town, we wait and see what transpires in the new year.
To you Katiery, your comments are respected, A Very Happy New Year to you.
It is not a case of supporting any one particular party at this moment Katiery, I am only giving an opinion. As for a high UKIP vote, this is a possibility, whatever you, or I think. People are fed up of the Tories, fed up of Labour, and the Libs do not come into the equation,. Here we have a party gaining pace across a country, a country generally dissatisfied with the EU and immigration. Here Keighley people will have a real alternative, it will soon be make your mind up time. If it is any comfort, the UKIP candidate, as I said seems to have a lot to learn, and does not seem to be making any real impact in town, we wait and see what transpires in the new year. To you Katiery, your comments are respected, A Very Happy New Year to you. Gobbag Vooar

10:41am Fri 27 Dec 13

Katiery says...

I agree Gobbag Vooar, people will vote for whomever they choose, or no one which is the other alternative.

The only leaflet I have seen fron UKIP is mostly about closing the borders, removing windfarms, leaving the EU and not allowing gay marriage. No policies for the issues that matter, such as health, welfare, education, transport, pensions, work, improving the economy. Sort of like the BNP without the aggravation and foul language.

Happy New Year to you too, l hope it brings common sense and consideration to our 'leaders', but I won't hold my breath.
I agree Gobbag Vooar, people will vote for whomever they choose, or no one which is the other alternative. The only leaflet I have seen fron UKIP is mostly about closing the borders, removing windfarms, leaving the EU and not allowing gay marriage. No policies for the issues that matter, such as health, welfare, education, transport, pensions, work, improving the economy. Sort of like the BNP without the aggravation and foul language. Happy New Year to you too, l hope it brings common sense and consideration to our 'leaders', but I won't hold my breath. Katiery

2:09pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Gobbag Vooar says...

Maybe I don't get around enough to witness real poverty in this town, but the run up to this Christmas seemed like any other. I did buy a few extras, of which I can easily afford, some things have been wasted, and that is a shame.
Even so, I was surprised as I observed the amounts of money changing hands, and even more so when one lady told me how much she had spent on presents.
The Pay Day Lenders doors were wide open this morning in town, Maybe I am old fashioned, small gifts ok, but Christmas is a time for families and friends to come together, hopefully to generate enough good will till next year. Not to spend every last penny.
Maybe I don't get around enough to witness real poverty in this town, but the run up to this Christmas seemed like any other. I did buy a few extras, of which I can easily afford, some things have been wasted, and that is a shame. Even so, I was surprised as I observed the amounts of money changing hands, and even more so when one lady told me how much she had spent on presents. The Pay Day Lenders doors were wide open this morning in town, Maybe I am old fashioned, small gifts ok, but Christmas is a time for families and friends to come together, hopefully to generate enough good will till next year. Not to spend every last penny. Gobbag Vooar

12:54pm Sat 28 Dec 13

pjl20 says...

Katiery wrote:
I agree Gobbag Vooar, people will vote for whomever they choose, or no one which is the other alternative.

The only leaflet I have seen fron UKIP is mostly about closing the borders, removing windfarms, leaving the EU and not allowing gay marriage. No policies for the issues that matter, such as health, welfare, education, transport, pensions, work, improving the economy. Sort of like the BNP without the aggravation and foul language.

Happy New Year to you too, l hope it brings common sense and consideration to our 'leaders', but I won't hold my breath.
You have not looked very far for UKIP policy information, have you Katiery?

The UKIP 'Window of opportunity' 2013-15, 4- sided leaflet has been widely distributed throughout Yorkshire. This contains a summary of nine main policy areas of interest to all voters and to those who haven't voted for years and years.

What is more all UKIP MEPs draw down a salary comparable to a Westminster MP, not the £81,000pa to which they are entitled.

As leader of UKIP, Nigel Farage partly funds the party, the rest coming from the 32,000 members and benefactors.

Leaving the EU is only one policy but an important one.

If you don't believe that any party in Britain is worth voting for, then don't vote. But, many are voting for UKIP for the first time in years. They wish to have a sea-change in the political scene and for Westminster to regain policy and decision-making from Brussels/Strasbourg EU Commission and parliament.

Visit www.ukip.org for further details.
[quote][p][bold]Katiery[/bold] wrote: I agree Gobbag Vooar, people will vote for whomever they choose, or no one which is the other alternative. The only leaflet I have seen fron UKIP is mostly about closing the borders, removing windfarms, leaving the EU and not allowing gay marriage. No policies for the issues that matter, such as health, welfare, education, transport, pensions, work, improving the economy. Sort of like the BNP without the aggravation and foul language. Happy New Year to you too, l hope it brings common sense and consideration to our 'leaders', but I won't hold my breath.[/p][/quote]You have not looked very far for UKIP policy information, have you Katiery? The UKIP 'Window of opportunity' 2013-15, 4- sided leaflet has been widely distributed throughout Yorkshire. This contains a summary of nine main policy areas of interest to all voters and to those who haven't voted for years and years. What is more all UKIP MEPs draw down a salary comparable to a Westminster MP, not the £81,000pa to which they are entitled. As leader of UKIP, Nigel Farage partly funds the party, the rest coming from the 32,000 members and benefactors. Leaving the EU is only one policy but an important one. If you don't believe that any party in Britain is worth voting for, then don't vote. But, many are voting for UKIP for the first time in years. They wish to have a sea-change in the political scene and for Westminster to regain policy and decision-making from Brussels/Strasbourg EU Commission and parliament. Visit www.ukip.org for further details. pjl20

4:24pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Katiery says...

pjl20 says... You have not looked very far for UKIP policy information, have you Katiery?...

Erm, yes, I looked at www.ukip.org. The 6 main policies that come up on the website have no information regarding education, welfare, pensions, defence or transport. I also asked you a question on another post but didn't receive any response.
I do agree with the Health tourism policy, but not the one for the banning of gay marriage and windfarms. I stil cannot see how Nigel Farge can be so against the EU when he is happily employed there on a salary of around £65,000 a year. If he dislikes what they stand for so much then he should resign otherwise he is just a hypocrite.

I always vote, but in 2014? Should no party be worth voting for and should there be no independent candidate then I shall have to think hard before I give my support to anyone.
pjl20 says... You have not looked very far for UKIP policy information, have you Katiery?... Erm, yes, I looked at www.ukip.org. The 6 main policies that come up on the website have no information regarding education, welfare, pensions, defence or transport. I also asked you a question on another post but didn't receive any response. I do agree with the Health tourism policy, but not the one for the banning of gay marriage and windfarms. I stil cannot see how Nigel Farge can be so against the EU when he is happily employed there on a salary of around £65,000 a year. If he dislikes what they stand for so much then he should resign otherwise he is just a hypocrite. I always vote, but in 2014? Should no party be worth voting for and should there be no independent candidate then I shall have to think hard before I give my support to anyone. Katiery

11:10am Sun 29 Dec 13

pjl20 says...

Katiery wrote:
pjl20 says... You have not looked very far for UKIP policy information, have you Katiery?...

Erm, yes, I looked at www.ukip.org. The 6 main policies that come up on the website have no information regarding education, welfare, pensions, defence or transport. I also asked you a question on another post but didn't receive any response.
I do agree with the Health tourism policy, but not the one for the banning of gay marriage and windfarms. I stil cannot see how Nigel Farge can be so against the EU when he is happily employed there on a salary of around £65,000 a year. If he dislikes what they stand for so much then he should resign otherwise he is just a hypocrite.

I always vote, but in 2014? Should no party be worth voting for and should there be no independent candidate then I shall have to think hard before I give my support to anyone.
Katiery will have to wait for the publication of the full UKIP manifesto of policies due in the New Year.

Why not ask the other main parties for theirs? Answer. They have not published their latest manifestos either.

As regards Education. UKIP believes in the reintroduction of streaming in education, based upon aptitude, ability, attainment and willingness to learn. That means Grammar schools, Technical schools and Comprehensive schools. The age for such changes being when a pupil reaches age 13 years.

As regards Welfare & Pensions - any change based upon decent values and a humanitarian approach would be a big improvement on current coalition government policies.

As for Defence does anyone know what the present government policies are, other than savage cut-backs in the armed services and poor morale? I have a blog under 'Your Say' on the Ilkley Gazette website that has been going for more than 12 months and has 13,000+ hits to date.

What does 'banning gay marriage' mean? Are civil partnerships insufficient? Must the Churches, Mosques and Synagogues be compelled to marry same-sex partners?
[quote][p][bold]Katiery[/bold] wrote: pjl20 says... You have not looked very far for UKIP policy information, have you Katiery?... Erm, yes, I looked at www.ukip.org. The 6 main policies that come up on the website have no information regarding education, welfare, pensions, defence or transport. I also asked you a question on another post but didn't receive any response. I do agree with the Health tourism policy, but not the one for the banning of gay marriage and windfarms. I stil cannot see how Nigel Farge can be so against the EU when he is happily employed there on a salary of around £65,000 a year. If he dislikes what they stand for so much then he should resign otherwise he is just a hypocrite. I always vote, but in 2014? Should no party be worth voting for and should there be no independent candidate then I shall have to think hard before I give my support to anyone.[/p][/quote]Katiery will have to wait for the publication of the full UKIP manifesto of policies due in the New Year. Why not ask the other main parties for theirs? Answer. They have not published their latest manifestos either. As regards Education. UKIP believes in the reintroduction of streaming in education, based upon aptitude, ability, attainment and willingness to learn. That means Grammar schools, Technical schools and Comprehensive schools. The age for such changes being when a pupil reaches age 13 years. As regards Welfare & Pensions - any change based upon decent values and a humanitarian approach would be a big improvement on current coalition government policies. As for Defence does anyone know what the present government policies are, other than savage cut-backs in the armed services and poor morale? I have a blog under 'Your Say' on the Ilkley Gazette website that has been going for more than 12 months and has 13,000+ hits to date. What does 'banning gay marriage' mean? Are civil partnerships insufficient? Must the Churches, Mosques and Synagogues be compelled to marry same-sex partners? pjl20

11:28am Sun 29 Dec 13

Katiery says...

pjl20 says... As for Defence does anyone know what the present government policies are, other than savage cut-backs in the armed services and poor morale? I have a blog under 'Your Say' on the Ilkley Gazette website that has been going for more than 12 months and has 13,000+ hits to date.

What does 'banning gay marriage' mean? Are civil partnerships insufficient? Must the Churches, Mosques and Synagogues be compelled to marry same-sex partners?..

Asking what other parties policies are is a good way of not answering the questions. If you don't know what UKIP policies are for those issues then just say so.

And yes, civil partnerships are insufficient, which is why homosexuals and lesbians want the same rights as everyone else.

I'm not sure what the blog comment has to do with it.
pjl20 says... As for Defence does anyone know what the present government policies are, other than savage cut-backs in the armed services and poor morale? I have a blog under 'Your Say' on the Ilkley Gazette website that has been going for more than 12 months and has 13,000+ hits to date. What does 'banning gay marriage' mean? Are civil partnerships insufficient? Must the Churches, Mosques and Synagogues be compelled to marry same-sex partners?.. Asking what other parties policies are is a good way of not answering the questions. If you don't know what UKIP policies are for those issues then just say so. And yes, civil partnerships are insufficient, which is why homosexuals and lesbians want the same rights as everyone else. I'm not sure what the blog comment has to do with it. Katiery

12:10pm Sun 29 Dec 13

pjl20 says...

Katiery wrote:
pjl20 says... As for Defence does anyone know what the present government policies are, other than savage cut-backs in the armed services and poor morale? I have a blog under 'Your Say' on the Ilkley Gazette website that has been going for more than 12 months and has 13,000+ hits to date.

What does 'banning gay marriage' mean? Are civil partnerships insufficient? Must the Churches, Mosques and Synagogues be compelled to marry same-sex partners?..

Asking what other parties policies are is a good way of not answering the questions. If you don't know what UKIP policies are for those issues then just say so.

And yes, civil partnerships are insufficient, which is why homosexuals and lesbians want the same rights as everyone else.

I'm not sure what the blog comment has to do with it.
I know what UKIP policies are, but our public release will be done in the New Year, for the simple reason that we do not wish to disclose the full details until the campaigning for the European and District council elections get under way.

You will just have to be patient and wait for this.

As for both the Conservative and Liberal Democrat party policies, surely these ought to be widely known as they are the current parties of government?

'Gay marriage' - Why should the religions not have their own say on whether they will conduct same-sex marriage ceremonies?

I am not in favour of 'big government', with a policy for everything and state control over everyone. Such an approach has not worked too well has it, over the past three or four decades?
[quote][p][bold]Katiery[/bold] wrote: pjl20 says... As for Defence does anyone know what the present government policies are, other than savage cut-backs in the armed services and poor morale? I have a blog under 'Your Say' on the Ilkley Gazette website that has been going for more than 12 months and has 13,000+ hits to date. What does 'banning gay marriage' mean? Are civil partnerships insufficient? Must the Churches, Mosques and Synagogues be compelled to marry same-sex partners?.. Asking what other parties policies are is a good way of not answering the questions. If you don't know what UKIP policies are for those issues then just say so. And yes, civil partnerships are insufficient, which is why homosexuals and lesbians want the same rights as everyone else. I'm not sure what the blog comment has to do with it.[/p][/quote]I know what UKIP policies are, but our public release will be done in the New Year, for the simple reason that we do not wish to disclose the full details until the campaigning for the European and District council elections get under way. You will just have to be patient and wait for this. As for both the Conservative and Liberal Democrat party policies, surely these ought to be widely known as they are the current parties of government? 'Gay marriage' - Why should the religions not have their own say on whether they will conduct same-sex marriage ceremonies? I am not in favour of 'big government', with a policy for everything and state control over everyone. Such an approach has not worked too well has it, over the past three or four decades? pjl20

12:37pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Katiery says...

pjl20 wrote:
Katiery wrote:
pjl20 says... As for Defence does anyone know what the present government policies are, other than savage cut-backs in the armed services and poor morale? I have a blog under 'Your Say' on the Ilkley Gazette website that has been going for more than 12 months and has 13,000+ hits to date.

What does 'banning gay marriage' mean? Are civil partnerships insufficient? Must the Churches, Mosques and Synagogues be compelled to marry same-sex partners?..

Asking what other parties policies are is a good way of not answering the questions. If you don't know what UKIP policies are for those issues then just say so.

And yes, civil partnerships are insufficient, which is why homosexuals and lesbians want the same rights as everyone else.

I'm not sure what the blog comment has to do with it.
I know what UKIP policies are, but our public release will be done in the New Year, for the simple reason that we do not wish to disclose the full details until the campaigning for the European and District council elections get under way.

You will just have to be patient and wait for this.

As for both the Conservative and Liberal Democrat party policies, surely these ought to be widely known as they are the current parties of government?

'Gay marriage' - Why should the religions not have their own say on whether they will conduct same-sex marriage ceremonies?

I am not in favour of 'big government', with a policy for everything and state control over everyone. Such an approach has not worked too well has it, over the past three or four decades?
Campaigning for European elections? So UKIP are again standing candidates for election in an area they say we should not be involved in? Hypocrasy.

I'm sure other parties have the same reasons you have for not issuing their manifestos until the New Year, but I wasn't asking about theirs, I was asking about yours. I have read and seen the current policies for the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats.

Religions can have the same say as they have in marriages now, but a Government policy stating that they will never support gay marriages does not give them an option. What right do a Government have to state that a person cannot love and marry whomever they chose? It's irrelevant who someone wants to have sex with.

If you are against 'big government' policies then what alternative do you propose? Suck it and see?
[quote][p][bold]pjl20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Katiery[/bold] wrote: pjl20 says... As for Defence does anyone know what the present government policies are, other than savage cut-backs in the armed services and poor morale? I have a blog under 'Your Say' on the Ilkley Gazette website that has been going for more than 12 months and has 13,000+ hits to date. What does 'banning gay marriage' mean? Are civil partnerships insufficient? Must the Churches, Mosques and Synagogues be compelled to marry same-sex partners?.. Asking what other parties policies are is a good way of not answering the questions. If you don't know what UKIP policies are for those issues then just say so. And yes, civil partnerships are insufficient, which is why homosexuals and lesbians want the same rights as everyone else. I'm not sure what the blog comment has to do with it.[/p][/quote]I know what UKIP policies are, but our public release will be done in the New Year, for the simple reason that we do not wish to disclose the full details until the campaigning for the European and District council elections get under way. You will just have to be patient and wait for this. As for both the Conservative and Liberal Democrat party policies, surely these ought to be widely known as they are the current parties of government? 'Gay marriage' - Why should the religions not have their own say on whether they will conduct same-sex marriage ceremonies? I am not in favour of 'big government', with a policy for everything and state control over everyone. Such an approach has not worked too well has it, over the past three or four decades?[/p][/quote]Campaigning for European elections? So UKIP are again standing candidates for election in an area they say we should not be involved in? Hypocrasy. I'm sure other parties have the same reasons you have for not issuing their manifestos until the New Year, but I wasn't asking about theirs, I was asking about yours. I have read and seen the current policies for the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats. Religions can have the same say as they have in marriages now, but a Government policy stating that they will never support gay marriages does not give them an option. What right do a Government have to state that a person cannot love and marry whomever they chose? It's irrelevant who someone wants to have sex with. If you are against 'big government' policies then what alternative do you propose? Suck it and see? Katiery

1:04pm Sun 29 Dec 13

pjl20 says...

UKIP is part of the Europe of Freedom and Democracy group in the European parliament.

As such this is the only active opposition in the EU parliament. An official Opposition such as we have in the Westminster Houses of parliament is not permitted by the EU.

Without any UKIP MEPs, how would we be able to counter the amount of legislation that is prepared by the EU Commission? The time for debate in the EU parliament is very limited, compared with Westminster.

Is this not democracy taking place?

The reason why we have government legislation in Britain for 'Gay Marriage' is because the EU parliament made it so.

Our full manifesto will be published in 2014. I remind you that we live in an elective democracy in Britain, established over more that a millennium. UKIP has every right to contest elections under the rules set by the Electoral Commission.

I debated UKIP policies in the hustings that took place in both Keighley and Ilkley, in the rum up to the 2010 general election, alongside 3 other candidates. Our party position on both government and general policy ought now to be well known.
UKIP is part of the Europe of Freedom and Democracy group in the European parliament. As such this is the only active opposition in the EU parliament. An official Opposition such as we have in the Westminster Houses of parliament is not permitted by the EU. Without any UKIP MEPs, how would we be able to counter the amount of legislation that is prepared by the EU Commission? The time for debate in the EU parliament is very limited, compared with Westminster. Is this not democracy taking place? The reason why we have government legislation in Britain for 'Gay Marriage' is because the EU parliament made it so. Our full manifesto will be published in 2014. I remind you that we live in an elective democracy in Britain, established over more that a millennium. UKIP has every right to contest elections under the rules set by the Electoral Commission. I debated UKIP policies in the hustings that took place in both Keighley and Ilkley, in the rum up to the 2010 general election, alongside 3 other candidates. Our party position on both government and general policy ought now to be well known. pjl20

1:48pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Katiery says...

The Europe of Freedom and Democracy group? Listed as a far right group with extreme views, sorry that's not democracy.

Europe may be responsible for gay marriage legislation but UKIP policy is 'UKIP is opposed to the Government's proposals to legislate to extend the definition of Marriage to include same-sex couples.' That's your party's stance, not a European one.

UKIP can contest whatevere elections it choses, I have no argument against that. people will vote or not as they chose. However, I do have an argument against your last paragraph regarding a hustings debate.

Because of this people should have knowledge of your party position on government and general policy? Why is that? Around half of local people would not know what a hustings is and around half of those who do would not care. A hustings is a way for (mainly) those of other parties to find arguments against each candidate, not a way to ensure that all local people know what you represent.

I agree with Gobbag Vooar, you have a lot to learn about Keighley people if you wish to be their next Government representative.
The Europe of Freedom and Democracy group? Listed as a far right group with extreme views, sorry that's not democracy. Europe may be responsible for gay marriage legislation but UKIP policy is 'UKIP is opposed to the Government's proposals to legislate to extend the definition of Marriage to include same-sex couples.' That's your party's stance, not a European one. UKIP can contest whatevere elections it choses, I have no argument against that. people will vote or not as they chose. However, I do have an argument against your last paragraph regarding a hustings debate. Because of this people should have knowledge of your party position on government and general policy? Why is that? Around half of local people would not know what a hustings is and around half of those who do would not care. A hustings is a way for (mainly) those of other parties to find arguments against each candidate, not a way to ensure that all local people know what you represent. I agree with Gobbag Vooar, you have a lot to learn about Keighley people if you wish to be their next Government representative. Katiery

2:24pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Gobbag Vooar says...

Katiery, You are correct, our UKIP candidate seems to have little knowledge of Keighley and it's people, and that may come as a saving grace for those opposed to UKIP.
One thing that is worthy of consideration is that Keighley, in the 90s elected two B.N.P. councillors, one in a safe Lab seat, another in the Tory heartlands of The Worth Valley.
Fact, across this country UKIP will be a force to be reckoned with, so in Keighley and Ilkley it will be interesting to see how the Tories and Lab deal with UKIP.
As for poverty in this town, maybe our UKIP candidate would like to express his views on how to address the problem.
Katiery, You are correct, our UKIP candidate seems to have little knowledge of Keighley and it's people, and that may come as a saving grace for those opposed to UKIP. One thing that is worthy of consideration is that Keighley, in the 90s elected two B.N.P. councillors, one in a safe Lab seat, another in the Tory heartlands of The Worth Valley. Fact, across this country UKIP will be a force to be reckoned with, so in Keighley and Ilkley it will be interesting to see how the Tories and Lab deal with UKIP. As for poverty in this town, maybe our UKIP candidate would like to express his views on how to address the problem. Gobbag Vooar

12:50pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Kingchaser says...

Gobbag Vooar wrote:
Katiery, You are correct, our UKIP candidate seems to have little knowledge of Keighley and it's people, and that may come as a saving grace for those opposed to UKIP. One thing that is worthy of consideration is that Keighley, in the 90s elected two B.N.P. councillors, one in a safe Lab seat, another in the Tory heartlands of The Worth Valley. Fact, across this country UKIP will be a force to be reckoned with, so in Keighley and Ilkley it will be interesting to see how the Tories and Lab deal with UKIP. As for poverty in this town, maybe our UKIP candidate would like to express his views on how to address the problem.
I rather doubt that pjl20 has any detailed knowledge of poverty existing in Keighley. He resides in the leafy town of Ilkley where their idea of poverty is having to buy their champagne at Morrisons :-)

He is rather hypocritical in that he won't tell us where he stands on some issues but is happy to bang on about trying to form a council away from Bradford.....so that his moneyed neighbours can keep more of their council tax in Ilkley rather than spending it where it is needed.....

And a few weeks ago he claimed that the closing of the Post Office in Keighley's bus station was......a calamity for Bradford!!!???

All very interesting....
[quote][p][bold]Gobbag Vooar[/bold] wrote: Katiery, You are correct, our UKIP candidate seems to have little knowledge of Keighley and it's people, and that may come as a saving grace for those opposed to UKIP. One thing that is worthy of consideration is that Keighley, in the 90s elected two B.N.P. councillors, one in a safe Lab seat, another in the Tory heartlands of The Worth Valley. Fact, across this country UKIP will be a force to be reckoned with, so in Keighley and Ilkley it will be interesting to see how the Tories and Lab deal with UKIP. As for poverty in this town, maybe our UKIP candidate would like to express his views on how to address the problem.[/p][/quote]I rather doubt that pjl20 has any detailed knowledge of poverty existing in Keighley. He resides in the leafy town of Ilkley where their idea of poverty is having to buy their champagne at Morrisons :-) He is rather hypocritical in that he won't tell us where he stands on some issues but is happy to bang on about trying to form a council away from Bradford.....so that his moneyed neighbours can keep more of their council tax in Ilkley rather than spending it where it is needed..... And a few weeks ago he claimed that the closing of the Post Office in Keighley's bus station was......a calamity for Bradford!!!??? All very interesting.... Kingchaser

1:14pm Mon 30 Dec 13

pjl20 says...

Katiery wrote:
The Europe of Freedom and Democracy group? Listed as a far right group with extreme views, sorry that's not democracy.

Europe may be responsible for gay marriage legislation but UKIP policy is 'UKIP is opposed to the Government's proposals to legislate to extend the definition of Marriage to include same-sex couples.' That's your party's stance, not a European one.

UKIP can contest whatevere elections it choses, I have no argument against that. people will vote or not as they chose. However, I do have an argument against your last paragraph regarding a hustings debate.

Because of this people should have knowledge of your party position on government and general policy? Why is that? Around half of local people would not know what a hustings is and around half of those who do would not care. A hustings is a way for (mainly) those of other parties to find arguments against each candidate, not a way to ensure that all local people know what you represent.

I agree with Gobbag Vooar, you have a lot to learn about Keighley people if you wish to be their next Government representative.
Both Katiery and Gabbag Vooar have plenty of criticism to level at UKIP and me personally. Why?

The EF&D grouping with which we sit in the EU parliament, is not as you say 'a far right group with extreme views'. From where do you get your misleading information, the 'red top' newspapers?

I have been a resident in the Keighley & Ilkley constituency since 1984. I know the people of both towns well, why wouldn't I. Only Kris Hopkins and myself were residents living permanently in the constituency, in the 2010 general election.

I am glad that you at least Katiery, have now found out the UKIP policy about 'Gay Marriage'.

Your insult to the people of Keighley that they know little about the party is somewhat strange, full of vitriol perhaps.

I attended the hustings in Keighley and in Ilkley in 2010 and spoke at venues packed full of local residents, with a keen interest in the political scene. I think that the people of both towns do take an active interest in local politics, as I do.

We recently campaigned in Keighley, outside the Keighley Town Hall and at Morrisons superstore using our party gazebo. We met with a genuinely positive response. I remind you that our party candidate won the vacant seat for the Bracken Bank & Ingrow parish ward as recently as Dec.5th.

Perhaps you would like to list the things I ought to know about the residents of Keighley and am lacking?

As for what I would do for the town. I would have brought in some inward investment and new jobs for people. Plenty of sites exist for new business units along both sides of the Aire Valley Road towards Bingley.

This subject of new industry was raised at the 2010 hustings, I gave my answer to the audience and so did Kris Hopkins, now the constituency MP. Ask him what he himself has done for the town since he was elected in 2010?

I have a personal track record in my career of bringing new business and large firms into the UK. I have an active business career spanning more than 30 years, as do many others within UKIP. We are not all political researchers and academics by background.

I remind you that this article is about the increased numbers in Keighley who have been caught in the poverty trap. Why? Because Iain Duncan Smith as Welfare & Pensions Secretary, amongst others in this coalition government, have hit the poorest of the community hardest, whilst the most wealthy have been enjoying income tax breaks courtesy of Chancellor George Osborne.
[quote][p][bold]Katiery[/bold] wrote: The Europe of Freedom and Democracy group? Listed as a far right group with extreme views, sorry that's not democracy. Europe may be responsible for gay marriage legislation but UKIP policy is 'UKIP is opposed to the Government's proposals to legislate to extend the definition of Marriage to include same-sex couples.' That's your party's stance, not a European one. UKIP can contest whatevere elections it choses, I have no argument against that. people will vote or not as they chose. However, I do have an argument against your last paragraph regarding a hustings debate. Because of this people should have knowledge of your party position on government and general policy? Why is that? Around half of local people would not know what a hustings is and around half of those who do would not care. A hustings is a way for (mainly) those of other parties to find arguments against each candidate, not a way to ensure that all local people know what you represent. I agree with Gobbag Vooar, you have a lot to learn about Keighley people if you wish to be their next Government representative.[/p][/quote]Both Katiery and Gabbag Vooar have plenty of criticism to level at UKIP and me personally. Why? The EF&D grouping with which we sit in the EU parliament, is not as you say 'a far right group with extreme views'. From where do you get your misleading information, the 'red top' newspapers? I have been a resident in the Keighley & Ilkley constituency since 1984. I know the people of both towns well, why wouldn't I. Only Kris Hopkins and myself were residents living permanently in the constituency, in the 2010 general election. I am glad that you at least Katiery, have now found out the UKIP policy about 'Gay Marriage'. Your insult to the people of Keighley that they know little about the party is somewhat strange, full of vitriol perhaps. I attended the hustings in Keighley and in Ilkley in 2010 and spoke at venues packed full of local residents, with a keen interest in the political scene. I think that the people of both towns do take an active interest in local politics, as I do. We recently campaigned in Keighley, outside the Keighley Town Hall and at Morrisons superstore using our party gazebo. We met with a genuinely positive response. I remind you that our party candidate won the vacant seat for the Bracken Bank & Ingrow parish ward as recently as Dec.5th. Perhaps you would like to list the things I ought to know about the residents of Keighley and am lacking? As for what I would do for the town. I would have brought in some inward investment and new jobs for people. Plenty of sites exist for new business units along both sides of the Aire Valley Road towards Bingley. This subject of new industry was raised at the 2010 hustings, I gave my answer to the audience and so did Kris Hopkins, now the constituency MP. Ask him what he himself has done for the town since he was elected in 2010? I have a personal track record in my career of bringing new business and large firms into the UK. I have an active business career spanning more than 30 years, as do many others within UKIP. We are not all political researchers and academics by background. I remind you that this article is about the increased numbers in Keighley who have been caught in the poverty trap. Why? Because Iain Duncan Smith as Welfare & Pensions Secretary, amongst others in this coalition government, have hit the poorest of the community hardest, whilst the most wealthy have been enjoying income tax breaks courtesy of Chancellor George Osborne. pjl20

2:32pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Katiery says...

No pjl20, I get my information from searching the internet. I don't read many newspapers. From Euroactiv, from ukipmeps.org, from the BBC website. Didn't one of your own MEP's have the whip with drawn for refusing to join the group?

You feel attacked because residents are sceptical of UKIP policies and then state that we should be asking the current MP what he is doing for the town. The very reason YOU are being asked is because we know what the current MP is doing - absolutely nothing - hence we are very aware that the next elected representative needs to have Keighley at the forefront of his/her mind, not a quick run up the ladder to Ministerial positions at the expense of Keighley residents.

I know full well why people in Keighley and elsewhere have been caught in the poverty trap, so asking what you would do to resolve such issues is necessary. Far too many promises are made in the run up to elections and are broken shortly afterwards, as we have seen since 2010.

I think you will find that not as many people as you hope take an active interest in local politics, as seen by the very poor turnout for the recent Town Council elections. I thought it was you that was elected for the Bracken Bank & Ingrow parish ward, my apologies for getting that wrong.

In politics people will agree with some issues, disagree with others, but mainly choose a candidate due to their own views as well as the views of the party they represent. I agree that some questions could seem vitriolic, but due to the very poor representation we now have in Parliament maybe some passion is justified.
No pjl20, I get my information from searching the internet. I don't read many newspapers. From Euroactiv, from ukipmeps.org, from the BBC website. Didn't one of your own MEP's have the whip with drawn for refusing to join the group? You feel attacked because residents are sceptical of UKIP policies and then state that we should be asking the current MP what he is doing for the town. The very reason YOU are being asked is because we know what the current MP is doing - absolutely nothing - hence we are very aware that the next elected representative needs to have Keighley at the forefront of his/her mind, not a quick run up the ladder to Ministerial positions at the expense of Keighley residents. I know full well why people in Keighley and elsewhere have been caught in the poverty trap, so asking what you would do to resolve such issues is necessary. Far too many promises are made in the run up to elections and are broken shortly afterwards, as we have seen since 2010. I think you will find that not as many people as you hope take an active interest in local politics, as seen by the very poor turnout for the recent Town Council elections. I thought it was you that was elected for the Bracken Bank & Ingrow parish ward, my apologies for getting that wrong. In politics people will agree with some issues, disagree with others, but mainly choose a candidate due to their own views as well as the views of the party they represent. I agree that some questions could seem vitriolic, but due to the very poor representation we now have in Parliament maybe some passion is justified. Katiery

3:07pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Gobbag Vooar says...

plj20 I may disagree with Katiery on some issues, but you forget that I have regular contact via email from your party.
Katiery is right to call you into question, and whatever you say, your knowledge of the people of Keighley appears, and I say appears to be somewhat lacking, I hope that you will take on board Katiery's comments as they are right,
Once again, stop criticising Hopkins, and tell us what you intend to do, we are all capable of making up our own minds about who is to blame for this, and that, So just tell us why you see yourself as the best candidate for M.P. for Keighley.
plj20 I may disagree with Katiery on some issues, but you forget that I have regular contact via email from your party. Katiery is right to call you into question, and whatever you say, your knowledge of the people of Keighley appears, and I say appears to be somewhat lacking, I hope that you will take on board Katiery's comments as they are right, Once again, stop criticising Hopkins, and tell us what you intend to do, we are all capable of making up our own minds about who is to blame for this, and that, So just tell us why you see yourself as the best candidate for M.P. for Keighley. Gobbag Vooar

4:56pm Mon 30 Dec 13

pjl20 says...

Katiery wrote:
No pjl20, I get my information from searching the internet. I don't read many newspapers. From Euroactiv, from ukipmeps.org, from the BBC website. Didn't one of your own MEP's have the whip with drawn for refusing to join the group?

You feel attacked because residents are sceptical of UKIP policies and then state that we should be asking the current MP what he is doing for the town. The very reason YOU are being asked is because we know what the current MP is doing - absolutely nothing - hence we are very aware that the next elected representative needs to have Keighley at the forefront of his/her mind, not a quick run up the ladder to Ministerial positions at the expense of Keighley residents.

I know full well why people in Keighley and elsewhere have been caught in the poverty trap, so asking what you would do to resolve such issues is necessary. Far too many promises are made in the run up to elections and are broken shortly afterwards, as we have seen since 2010.

I think you will find that not as many people as you hope take an active interest in local politics, as seen by the very poor turnout for the recent Town Council elections. I thought it was you that was elected for the Bracken Bank & Ingrow parish ward, my apologies for getting that wrong.

In politics people will agree with some issues, disagree with others, but mainly choose a candidate due to their own views as well as the views of the party they represent. I agree that some questions could seem vitriolic, but due to the very poor representation we now have in Parliament maybe some passion is justified.
Katiery I don't buy your argument or your rhetoric one tiny bit.

I certainly don't accept what the BBC shows on it's website as being truthful. Who does? The editorial quality of the Corporation stinks.

As regards our MEPs. At least we have not had any of them committed to jail for fraud, as have several LibLabCon MPs and peers, since 2010.

I have made my position quite clear. During 2010 I visited many of the people of Keighley in my campaigning and I can validly claim to know what the issues were then. Many have since become far worse off as a consequence of the austerity policies of this coalition government together with the harsh welfare and benefits cuts being made.

Do you know how many have been affected in Bradford MDC area by the 'bedroom tax', for example?

Without having met me how can you possibly pass a judgement or offer a real opinion on a candidate who was re-adopted for the constituency as recently as 31st August?

I never made the promises to which you refer and neither did the party to which I belong.

As the campaign for the 2015 general election is not yet under way, I cannot be expected to produce an election address for it, can I?

We are entering the campaign period for the European and District Council elections due on May 22. So don't attempt to jump ahead of yourself.

I am an branch officer of the party and a spokesman for the Y&NL Region, so I am in touch with party matters and it is disingenuous of you to suggest otherwise.
[quote][p][bold]Katiery[/bold] wrote: No pjl20, I get my information from searching the internet. I don't read many newspapers. From Euroactiv, from ukipmeps.org, from the BBC website. Didn't one of your own MEP's have the whip with drawn for refusing to join the group? You feel attacked because residents are sceptical of UKIP policies and then state that we should be asking the current MP what he is doing for the town. The very reason YOU are being asked is because we know what the current MP is doing - absolutely nothing - hence we are very aware that the next elected representative needs to have Keighley at the forefront of his/her mind, not a quick run up the ladder to Ministerial positions at the expense of Keighley residents. I know full well why people in Keighley and elsewhere have been caught in the poverty trap, so asking what you would do to resolve such issues is necessary. Far too many promises are made in the run up to elections and are broken shortly afterwards, as we have seen since 2010. I think you will find that not as many people as you hope take an active interest in local politics, as seen by the very poor turnout for the recent Town Council elections. I thought it was you that was elected for the Bracken Bank & Ingrow parish ward, my apologies for getting that wrong. In politics people will agree with some issues, disagree with others, but mainly choose a candidate due to their own views as well as the views of the party they represent. I agree that some questions could seem vitriolic, but due to the very poor representation we now have in Parliament maybe some passion is justified.[/p][/quote]Katiery I don't buy your argument or your rhetoric one tiny bit. I certainly don't accept what the BBC shows on it's website as being truthful. Who does? The editorial quality of the Corporation stinks. As regards our MEPs. At least we have not had any of them committed to jail for fraud, as have several LibLabCon MPs and peers, since 2010. I have made my position quite clear. During 2010 I visited many of the people of Keighley in my campaigning and I can validly claim to know what the issues were then. Many have since become far worse off as a consequence of the austerity policies of this coalition government together with the harsh welfare and benefits cuts being made. Do you know how many have been affected in Bradford MDC area by the 'bedroom tax', for example? Without having met me how can you possibly pass a judgement or offer a real opinion on a candidate who was re-adopted for the constituency as recently as 31st August? I never made the promises to which you refer and neither did the party to which I belong. As the campaign for the 2015 general election is not yet under way, I cannot be expected to produce an election address for it, can I? We are entering the campaign period for the European and District Council elections due on May 22. So don't attempt to jump ahead of yourself. I am an branch officer of the party and a spokesman for the Y&NL Region, so I am in touch with party matters and it is disingenuous of you to suggest otherwise. pjl20

5:05pm Mon 30 Dec 13

pjl20 says...

Gobbag Vooar wrote:
plj20 I may disagree with Katiery on some issues, but you forget that I have regular contact via email from your party.
Katiery is right to call you into question, and whatever you say, your knowledge of the people of Keighley appears, and I say appears to be somewhat lacking, I hope that you will take on board Katiery's comments as they are right,
Once again, stop criticising Hopkins, and tell us what you intend to do, we are all capable of making up our own minds about who is to blame for this, and that, So just tell us why you see yourself as the best candidate for M.P. for Keighley.
I cannot possibly understand how you are able to pass judgement or offer a sensible opinion on someone who you have never ever heard, let alone met?

As I have explained to Katiery, I was re-adopted for the constituency as recently as 31st August. We are entering the campaign period for the European and District Council elections, not the 2015 general election.

Are you brave enough to appear at a hustings event and offer some realistic challenges to the candidates?

We have had two hustings for MEP Y&NL Region candidates already. Where were you?

My job as the UKIP PPC is to criticise our constituency MP, where I see fit and have cause to do so. I am in regular contact with him on several matters. Are you? The Keighley News and two other Newsquest papers have already published letters from me concerning government policies.
[quote][p][bold]Gobbag Vooar[/bold] wrote: plj20 I may disagree with Katiery on some issues, but you forget that I have regular contact via email from your party. Katiery is right to call you into question, and whatever you say, your knowledge of the people of Keighley appears, and I say appears to be somewhat lacking, I hope that you will take on board Katiery's comments as they are right, Once again, stop criticising Hopkins, and tell us what you intend to do, we are all capable of making up our own minds about who is to blame for this, and that, So just tell us why you see yourself as the best candidate for M.P. for Keighley.[/p][/quote]I cannot possibly understand how you are able to pass judgement or offer a sensible opinion on someone who you have never ever heard, let alone met? As I have explained to Katiery, I was re-adopted for the constituency as recently as 31st August. We are entering the campaign period for the European and District Council elections, not the 2015 general election. Are you brave enough to appear at a hustings event and offer some realistic challenges to the candidates? We have had two hustings for MEP Y&NL Region candidates already. Where were you? My job as the UKIP PPC is to criticise our constituency MP, where I see fit and have cause to do so. I am in regular contact with him on several matters. Are you? The Keighley News and two other Newsquest papers have already published letters from me concerning government policies. pjl20

5:20pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Kingchaser says...

My my!

In the unlikely event that pjl20 garners enough votes to enter parliament - can you imagine how approachable and helpful he might be to those seeking his assistance?

Judging by his tempermental and sulky response to those attempting to find out what he really stands for.....he doesn't appreciate being questioned.
My my! In the unlikely event that pjl20 garners enough votes to enter parliament - can you imagine how approachable and helpful he might be to those seeking his assistance? Judging by his tempermental and sulky response to those attempting to find out what he really stands for.....he doesn't appreciate being questioned. Kingchaser

5:31pm Mon 30 Dec 13

pjl20 says...

Kingchaser wrote:
My my!

In the unlikely event that pjl20 garners enough votes to enter parliament - can you imagine how approachable and helpful he might be to those seeking his assistance?

Judging by his tempermental and sulky response to those attempting to find out what he really stands for.....he doesn't appreciate being questioned.
More vitriol from Kingchaser no less.

I suggest you read through the posted comments and confine yourself to the subject of this article, which if I may remind you is the massive rise of Keighley people caught in the poverty trap.

Some 2,660 householders were caught by Iain Duncan Smith's recent introduction of the so-called 'bedroom tax in the borough. Over 400 people in the Bradford MDC area have been forced to move home in consequence.

THAT is of concern to the people of Keighley, not spiteful rhetoric.
[quote][p][bold]Kingchaser[/bold] wrote: My my! In the unlikely event that pjl20 garners enough votes to enter parliament - can you imagine how approachable and helpful he might be to those seeking his assistance? Judging by his tempermental and sulky response to those attempting to find out what he really stands for.....he doesn't appreciate being questioned.[/p][/quote]More vitriol from Kingchaser no less. I suggest you read through the posted comments and confine yourself to the subject of this article, which if I may remind you is the massive rise of Keighley people caught in the poverty trap. Some 2,660 householders were caught by Iain Duncan Smith's recent introduction of the so-called 'bedroom tax in the borough. Over 400 people in the Bradford MDC area have been forced to move home in consequence. THAT is of concern to the people of Keighley, not spiteful rhetoric. pjl20

5:48pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Kingchaser says...

You say Tomato, I say Tomato....
You say Spiteful. I say Insightful!....

How many others are you going to insult when they point out your hypocrisy?

Come on PJL....you honestly aren't going to enter into a debate about people in Bradford having to move home when your one and only stated policy is to secure a council in leafy Ilkley so that your moneyed neighbours get more of the council tax spend in their area rather than spend it on housing benefit in Bradford!

Your words, not mine!

Youhaven'tthoughtitt
hrough.com!
You say Tomato, I say Tomato.... You say Spiteful. I say Insightful!.... How many others are you going to insult when they point out your hypocrisy? Come on PJL....you honestly aren't going to enter into a debate about people in Bradford having to move home when your one and only stated policy is to secure a council in leafy Ilkley so that your moneyed neighbours get more of the council tax spend in their area rather than spend it on housing benefit in Bradford! Your words, not mine! Youhaven'tthoughtitt hrough.com! Kingchaser

6:24pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Gobbag Vooar says...

pjl20 wrote:
Gobbag Vooar wrote:
plj20 I may disagree with Katiery on some issues, but you forget that I have regular contact via email from your party.
Katiery is right to call you into question, and whatever you say, your knowledge of the people of Keighley appears, and I say appears to be somewhat lacking, I hope that you will take on board Katiery's comments as they are right,
Once again, stop criticising Hopkins, and tell us what you intend to do, we are all capable of making up our own minds about who is to blame for this, and that, So just tell us why you see yourself as the best candidate for M.P. for Keighley.
I cannot possibly understand how you are able to pass judgement or offer a sensible opinion on someone who you have never ever heard, let alone met?

As I have explained to Katiery, I was re-adopted for the constituency as recently as 31st August. We are entering the campaign period for the European and District Council elections, not the 2015 general election.

Are you brave enough to appear at a hustings event and offer some realistic challenges to the candidates?

We have had two hustings for MEP Y&NL Region candidates already. Where were you?

My job as the UKIP PPC is to criticise our constituency MP, where I see fit and have cause to do so. I am in regular contact with him on several matters. Are you? The Keighley News and two other Newsquest papers have already published letters from me concerning government policies.
Do not like the quote button, but I believe that my opinion could now be considered justified.
pjl, you were challenged to tell us why you believe, that you are the best candidate. I am not standing in any election, and do not intend to, but will cast a vote.
Can we take your above posting as your reply ?
[quote][p][bold]pjl20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gobbag Vooar[/bold] wrote: plj20 I may disagree with Katiery on some issues, but you forget that I have regular contact via email from your party. Katiery is right to call you into question, and whatever you say, your knowledge of the people of Keighley appears, and I say appears to be somewhat lacking, I hope that you will take on board Katiery's comments as they are right, Once again, stop criticising Hopkins, and tell us what you intend to do, we are all capable of making up our own minds about who is to blame for this, and that, So just tell us why you see yourself as the best candidate for M.P. for Keighley.[/p][/quote]I cannot possibly understand how you are able to pass judgement or offer a sensible opinion on someone who you have never ever heard, let alone met? As I have explained to Katiery, I was re-adopted for the constituency as recently as 31st August. We are entering the campaign period for the European and District Council elections, not the 2015 general election. Are you brave enough to appear at a hustings event and offer some realistic challenges to the candidates? We have had two hustings for MEP Y&NL Region candidates already. Where were you? My job as the UKIP PPC is to criticise our constituency MP, where I see fit and have cause to do so. I am in regular contact with him on several matters. Are you? The Keighley News and two other Newsquest papers have already published letters from me concerning government policies.[/p][/quote]Do not like the quote button, but I believe that my opinion could now be considered justified. pjl, you were challenged to tell us why you believe, that you are the best candidate. I am not standing in any election, and do not intend to, but will cast a vote. Can we take your above posting as your reply ? Gobbag Vooar

7:01pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Katiery says...

Pjl20 says ..... Katiery I don't buy your argument or your rhetoric one tiny bit.

Why?

Spiteful rhetoric? Not in the least. Just normal questions for anyone who wants my support, but I have no further questions for you at all.
Your response has ensured that I will definitely not follow or support you and will not enquire further into UKIP policies.
Pjl20 says ..... Katiery I don't buy your argument or your rhetoric one tiny bit. Why? Spiteful rhetoric? Not in the least. Just normal questions for anyone who wants my support, but I have no further questions for you at all. Your response has ensured that I will definitely not follow or support you and will not enquire further into UKIP policies. Katiery

11:26am Tue 31 Dec 13

pjl20 says...

I suggest those who wish to raise some specific points about me and the party which I represent, write to the editor of this newspaper, Richard Parker, instead of hiding behind the facade of this website.

Why attempt to 'high jack' the topic about people in Keighley being caught in the poverty trap. For what good reason?

I stand behind my claim. Re-read some of your own posted comments.

What do you have to say yourselves which is of value, about this serious topic?
I suggest those who wish to raise some specific points about me and the party which I represent, write to the editor of this newspaper, Richard Parker, instead of hiding behind the facade of this website. Why attempt to 'high jack' the topic about people in Keighley being caught in the poverty trap. For what good reason? I stand behind my claim. Re-read some of your own posted comments. What do you have to say yourselves which is of value, about this serious topic? pjl20

11:31am Tue 31 Dec 13

pjl20 says...

Gobbag Vooar.

I stood in the 2010 general election and gave my reasons clearly then as to why I was standing. My election address was published by this newspaper.

As we are not yet in the election period for the 2015 general election and election addresses have not been called for, I do not have to answer your question.

Do you know who all the other party candidates are to be, may I ask?

If you wish to make another point about this, I suggest that you write to the editor, under your own name and make it.
Gobbag Vooar. I stood in the 2010 general election and gave my reasons clearly then as to why I was standing. My election address was published by this newspaper. As we are not yet in the election period for the 2015 general election and election addresses have not been called for, I do not have to answer your question. Do you know who all the other party candidates are to be, may I ask? If you wish to make another point about this, I suggest that you write to the editor, under your own name and make it. pjl20

11:46am Tue 31 Dec 13

pjl20 says...

Katiery wrote:
Pjl20 says ..... Katiery I don't buy your argument or your rhetoric one tiny bit.

Why?

Spiteful rhetoric? Not in the least. Just normal questions for anyone who wants my support, but I have no further questions for you at all.
Your response has ensured that I will definitely not follow or support you and will not enquire further into UKIP policies.
Katiery.

I am glad to be without your support.

You have revealed yourself as being someone who has no real interest in the well-being of the people living in Keighley.

Why? Because you have absolutely no positive contribution to make, that I have read, about the central issue of this topic - 'poverty'
[quote][p][bold]Katiery[/bold] wrote: Pjl20 says ..... Katiery I don't buy your argument or your rhetoric one tiny bit. Why? Spiteful rhetoric? Not in the least. Just normal questions for anyone who wants my support, but I have no further questions for you at all. Your response has ensured that I will definitely not follow or support you and will not enquire further into UKIP policies.[/p][/quote]Katiery. I am glad to be without your support. You have revealed yourself as being someone who has no real interest in the well-being of the people living in Keighley. Why? Because you have absolutely no positive contribution to make, that I have read, about the central issue of this topic - 'poverty' pjl20

12:53pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Katiery says...

pjl20, the only support I can offer is donations to food banks and local charities, which I do, and to make enquiries of those who wish to represent me in Parliament. I am not a politician who can make changes and improve conditions nationally or locally and I have no allegiance to any political party.

You have also revealed yourself as someone who is not approachable and has no interest in the electorate in Keighley unless they agree with you.

You have actually lost 4 votes. My partner and children spoke to someone from your party in Keighley earlier this year. They were quite taken by some of the policies, I was not, so they challenged me to find out more for myself. I did so and they have been watching your responses. You have managed to change their minds. I'm sure you will be glad of that too, four votes being nothing to worry about.
pjl20, the only support I can offer is donations to food banks and local charities, which I do, and to make enquiries of those who wish to represent me in Parliament. I am not a politician who can make changes and improve conditions nationally or locally and I have no allegiance to any political party. You have also revealed yourself as someone who is not approachable and has no interest in the electorate in Keighley unless they agree with you. You have actually lost 4 votes. My partner and children spoke to someone from your party in Keighley earlier this year. They were quite taken by some of the policies, I was not, so they challenged me to find out more for myself. I did so and they have been watching your responses. You have managed to change their minds. I'm sure you will be glad of that too, four votes being nothing to worry about. Katiery

3:00pm Tue 31 Dec 13

pjl20 says...

Katiery wrote:
pjl20, the only support I can offer is donations to food banks and local charities, which I do, and to make enquiries of those who wish to represent me in Parliament. I am not a politician who can make changes and improve conditions nationally or locally and I have no allegiance to any political party.

You have also revealed yourself as someone who is not approachable and has no interest in the electorate in Keighley unless they agree with you.

You have actually lost 4 votes. My partner and children spoke to someone from your party in Keighley earlier this year. They were quite taken by some of the policies, I was not, so they challenged me to find out more for myself. I did so and they have been watching your responses. You have managed to change their minds. I'm sure you will be glad of that too, four votes being nothing to worry about.
Katiery. You have revealed yourself to be a Troll, from your earlier comments.

But now you have realised that this topic is about increased poverty in Keighley town.

This has been my genuine concern all along. Rather than being 'unapproachable', I have met many residents recently in and around the town.

I have seen the increased poverty for myself. I do not need goading on a website.

I have met people from the voluntary sector who are having to provide help and assistance to households hit by the recent welfare and benefit changes from the meagre resources available from benefactors. Where is our constituency MP? He was not present at a recent meeting held in his own constituency to hear about the increased poverty first hand.

I am not seeking votes at this time. The general election is more than 16 months distant.

It is the European and District Council elections where we shall be contesting seats, including the Bradford Metropolitan District Council wards of Keighley on May 22nd.
[quote][p][bold]Katiery[/bold] wrote: pjl20, the only support I can offer is donations to food banks and local charities, which I do, and to make enquiries of those who wish to represent me in Parliament. I am not a politician who can make changes and improve conditions nationally or locally and I have no allegiance to any political party. You have also revealed yourself as someone who is not approachable and has no interest in the electorate in Keighley unless they agree with you. You have actually lost 4 votes. My partner and children spoke to someone from your party in Keighley earlier this year. They were quite taken by some of the policies, I was not, so they challenged me to find out more for myself. I did so and they have been watching your responses. You have managed to change their minds. I'm sure you will be glad of that too, four votes being nothing to worry about.[/p][/quote]Katiery. You have revealed yourself to be a Troll, from your earlier comments. But now you have realised that this topic is about increased poverty in Keighley town. This has been my genuine concern all along. Rather than being 'unapproachable', I have met many residents recently in and around the town. I have seen the increased poverty for myself. I do not need goading on a website. I have met people from the voluntary sector who are having to provide help and assistance to households hit by the recent welfare and benefit changes from the meagre resources available from benefactors. Where is our constituency MP? He was not present at a recent meeting held in his own constituency to hear about the increased poverty first hand. I am not seeking votes at this time. The general election is more than 16 months distant. It is the European and District Council elections where we shall be contesting seats, including the Bradford Metropolitan District Council wards of Keighley on May 22nd. pjl20

3:33pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Gobbag Vooar says...

O'h dear, pjl20, your getting worse, calling poor Katier a troll ! Good grief man, do you really expect to get to Westminster calling members of the electorate names !

And no. I do not know Katier, before you might suggest such, yet again disrespect comes into play on this site from an unexpected source.
O'h dear, pjl20, your getting worse, calling poor Katier a troll ! Good grief man, do you really expect to get to Westminster calling members of the electorate names ! And no. I do not know Katier, before you might suggest such, yet again disrespect comes into play on this site from an unexpected source. Gobbag Vooar

4:24pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Katiery says...

pjl20 you are pathetic. What are you thinking? That I'm a Tory supporter sent here to goad you? Had I been then I would be a very successful troll indeed because your responses have proved you are arrogant, ignorant, bombastic, insulting and not the sort of representative we need in any part of Keighley. But I'm not. So sorry to disappoint you, I really am just a Keighley resident, with an interest in local issues and how my town is represented.

And I have no idea where our MP is. Probably climbing a ladder in London to reach a higher ministerial position.
pjl20 you are pathetic. What are you thinking? That I'm a Tory supporter sent here to goad you? Had I been then I would be a very successful troll indeed because your responses have proved you are arrogant, ignorant, bombastic, insulting and not the sort of representative we need in any part of Keighley. But I'm not. So sorry to disappoint you, I really am just a Keighley resident, with an interest in local issues and how my town is represented. And I have no idea where our MP is. Probably climbing a ladder in London to reach a higher ministerial position. Katiery

5:26pm Tue 31 Dec 13

pjl20 says...

Keitery.

Why not re-read some of your posted comments?

If you are interested in how your town is represented, why are almost all those councillors on KTC co-opted and not elected by a democratic vote
in elections?

You are very generous with your adjectives. Now how about the people of Keighley, with whom you claim to be a resident?

Do you think that your behaviour on a public website is consistent with someone who is concerned with the well-being of the local inhabitants of this town? Up till now you have shown no evidence of having concern about how you are to be represented, only with labelling a future candidate with insults.
Keitery. Why not re-read some of your posted comments? If you are interested in how your town is represented, why are almost all those councillors on KTC co-opted and not elected by a democratic vote in elections? You are very generous with your adjectives. Now how about the people of Keighley, with whom you claim to be a resident? Do you think that your behaviour on a public website is consistent with someone who is concerned with the well-being of the local inhabitants of this town? Up till now you have shown no evidence of having concern about how you are to be represented, only with labelling a future candidate with insults. pjl20

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