Knowle Park residents hit out at irresponsible dog owners

Knowle Park residents hit out at irresponsible dog owners

Adil Ali, nine, right, and his father Mastab Ali, second from right, are joined by families in Lund Park worried by attacks and fouling by dogs

Adil Ali, nine, right, and his father Mastab Ali, second from right, are joined by families in Lund Park worried by attacks and fouling by dogs

Adil Ali, nine, right, and his father Mastab Ali, second from right, are joined by families in Lund Park worried by attacks and fouling by dogs

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PEOPLE living near Lund Park say some dog owners are letting their animals run wild.

Parents and other residents say an irresponsible minority are endangering youngsters who go to this park to play.

Restaurant owner and Knowle Park resident Mastab Ali said his nine-year-old son, Adil, was attacked by a dog and injured while riding his bike in the park one evening last month. (May)

"He was chased by a dog and fell off his bike," he said. "He sprained his ankle and the dog bit his arm.

"Another boy nearby came to help him and was chased by the same dog, but he managed to run away."

Mr Ali, 39, said his son, a pupil at Holycroft Primary School, was treated at Airedale Hospital that same day, but is now afraid to go to the park by himself.

He added that Adil had seen no sign of the dog's owner, and thought that the animal might have been an Alsatian.

"He's been limping for the last week, but he is recovering, he's about 90 per cent better," he said. "I took him to the park yesterday, but I had to promise I'd be there. He wouldn't go on his own.

"We've been talking to neighbours who say quite a few children have been chased by dogs in the park at different times.

"Some dog owners need to be a bit more responsible, especially when there's young children around."

A spokesman for Keighley Police confirmed officers had been notified of the dog attacking Adil, and urged any witnesses to contact them on the non-emergency police 101 number.

Community campaigner Fulzar Ahmed, 33, who has been approached by people living in Knowle Park, said some dog owners in this area needed to more aware of the potential risks posed by their pets.

He said persistent problems with dog fouling were also an issue.

"I have heard from people who are concerned about their children not being able to play out in the park," he said. "It's a public space, and it should be a safe place for children to go to.

"There is a sign up saying people should clean up after their dogs and leaflets have been given out, but it doesn't seem to be making a difference.

"I've been hearing about the same problems since last year.

"It's important that local people report these things to the authorities, no matter how minor it may seem."

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12:29pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Behind_the_8-Ball says...

I walk through there on a regular basis... dogs are the least of my worries, believe me.
I walk through there on a regular basis... dogs are the least of my worries, believe me. Behind_the_8-Ball
  • Score: 7

6:49pm Thu 5 Jun 14

needtoescape says...

I agree behind the 8 ball. The smell of cannabis especially early evening is often overpowering, with dealing often taking place at the gate in Malsis Road within the cars. Also seen Asian youths throwing fireworks onto the bowling green whilst people have been trying to play bowls. The park is littered with empty alcohol cans/bottles and empty take away cartons. The language from the youths who play in the park towards people who are walking through it leaves a lot to be desired. Graffiti about 9/11 being an inside job sprayed on walls, to name but a few issues. Now if I as a local resident can see this, surely the parents of a 9 year old boy should be able to see this which askes the question why would you let your children play in such a place. Of course the council do nothing towards this, I know of a black bin bag full of something that has now been in the middle of a grassed area by the bowling green for sometime that council workers walk past, and I saw this week a council worker who was in the park cutting the grass throwing it under some bushes instead of throwing it in the back of his van.
I agree behind the 8 ball. The smell of cannabis especially early evening is often overpowering, with dealing often taking place at the gate in Malsis Road within the cars. Also seen Asian youths throwing fireworks onto the bowling green whilst people have been trying to play bowls. The park is littered with empty alcohol cans/bottles and empty take away cartons. The language from the youths who play in the park towards people who are walking through it leaves a lot to be desired. Graffiti about 9/11 being an inside job sprayed on walls, to name but a few issues. Now if I as a local resident can see this, surely the parents of a 9 year old boy should be able to see this which askes the question why would you let your children play in such a place. Of course the council do nothing towards this, I know of a black bin bag full of something that has now been in the middle of a grassed area by the bowling green for sometime that council workers walk past, and I saw this week a council worker who was in the park cutting the grass throwing it under some bushes instead of throwing it in the back of his van. needtoescape
  • Score: 2

7:20pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Mixter says...

They arent going to complain about drugs, graffiti and litter - when it will be 99% down to their own kids are they. Which only leaves dogs, which are owned exclusively by folk who are definitely not their 'own'. Cant go wrong!

Surely this cant be a case of complaining that a bit of dog muck is 'bringing the neighbourhood down'. How ironic would that be.
They arent going to complain about drugs, graffiti and litter - when it will be 99% down to their own kids are they. Which only leaves dogs, which are owned exclusively by folk who are definitely not their 'own'. Cant go wrong! Surely this cant be a case of complaining that a bit of dog muck is 'bringing the neighbourhood down'. How ironic would that be. Mixter
  • Score: 2

7:28pm Thu 5 Jun 14

needtoescape says...

Maybe the restaurant owner would like to clear the take away wrappers up from the profit he makes. And if the dog is an Alsatian, I have yet to see a child who can run faster than one, clearly someone to look out for in the next Olympics as a challenger to Usain Bolt.
Maybe the restaurant owner would like to clear the take away wrappers up from the profit he makes. And if the dog is an Alsatian, I have yet to see a child who can run faster than one, clearly someone to look out for in the next Olympics as a challenger to Usain Bolt. needtoescape
  • Score: 4

12:17am Fri 6 Jun 14

Stand up to bullies says...

I'd be more scared of the groups of Asian youths that sit in gangs and frighten people.
I'd be more scared of the groups of Asian youths that sit in gangs and frighten people. Stand up to bullies
  • Score: 4

6:03am Fri 6 Jun 14

Yravinalarf! says...

Hey people, keep the undertones more constructive than digging at racial issues, then we all might progress.
Hey people, keep the undertones more constructive than digging at racial issues, then we all might progress. Yravinalarf!
  • Score: -12

7:09am Fri 6 Jun 14

Phil.Gilbert says...

No undertones here mate but there is gangs of asians that make you feel very uncomfortable, I as a white 43 year old man cant walk through the park after dark and don't like going in during the the day even. Before you all jump on me and call me a racist this is sadly a FACT that gangs of asians hang around in there. If you don't believe me go down tonight after dark and see off yourself!
No undertones here mate but there is gangs of asians that make you feel very uncomfortable, I as a white 43 year old man cant walk through the park after dark and don't like going in during the the day even. Before you all jump on me and call me a racist this is sadly a FACT that gangs of asians hang around in there. If you don't believe me go down tonight after dark and see off yourself! Phil.Gilbert
  • Score: 5

8:47am Fri 6 Jun 14

needtoescape says...

Im not at all racist, im just stating facts as are the others on here. As I said in my original post I had "named but a few issues" well here are some more. A group of Asian kids chasing a much smaller white kid, and when I asked them to stop they turned on me. Me & my wife were walking through the park one summer evening only to be told by some Asian lads we should not be in there as its a "P**i park". Of course when you report this because you cant give names etc they say nothing can be done, but will step up patrols in the area, but I would challenge anyone to tell me they see any police in the park unless its been a 999 call or its a family day. It amazes me how the politically correct brigade crawl out from under their stones in stories like this, and ive no doubt the KN will stop people commenting on this story now people are starting to express how they feel about the situation. Yravinalarf you talk of progress which leads me to think you have some suggestions as to how to stop these issues. Well, you crack on and get yourself into the park at night and lets see how you manage, I for one will be one of the first waiting in line to shake you by the hand.
Im not at all racist, im just stating facts as are the others on here. As I said in my original post I had "named but a few issues" well here are some more. A group of Asian kids chasing a much smaller white kid, and when I asked them to stop they turned on me. Me & my wife were walking through the park one summer evening only to be told by some Asian lads we should not be in there as its a "P**i park". Of course when you report this because you cant give names etc they say nothing can be done, but will step up patrols in the area, but I would challenge anyone to tell me they see any police in the park unless its been a 999 call or its a family day. It amazes me how the politically correct brigade crawl out from under their stones in stories like this, and ive no doubt the KN will stop people commenting on this story now people are starting to express how they feel about the situation. Yravinalarf you talk of progress which leads me to think you have some suggestions as to how to stop these issues. Well, you crack on and get yourself into the park at night and lets see how you manage, I for one will be one of the first waiting in line to shake you by the hand. needtoescape
  • Score: 3

1:56pm Fri 6 Jun 14

kezasian says...

I walk my dogs every day in Lund Park, and there are a lot of irresponsible dog owners who don't clean up after their dogs. There's also take away cartons, and paper everywhere from the takeaway near to the post office on oakworth road. The minute the sun comes out, young asian males hang around on the skateboard humps dealing Cannabis, mainly to children, and use the bushes next to the bowling green to hide their stash. Iv contacted the Police on several occasions, but the usual happens, nothing. The amount of vodka bottles etc that are left smashed on the paths by young Asians is depressing, and not only a danger for dogs being walked, but to the children playing and ridding their bikes, never mind being nipped by a dog. I have often had problems with yound Asian males, only yesterday as I walked up the central path past the play area about 5 or 6 lads about 14y started screaming like idiots and run into the fenced playground. They then started barking, whistling, hissing, and shouting no wonder they get attacked, and this is typical of groups / gangs in lund park. To the Asian community, the vast majority of you are great, but before you start a campaign against dog owners, please deal with your kids Drug taking, and dealing, alcohol consumption, and general anti social attitude to other park users. Ask yourselves what your teenage sons are doing when they are out a 2am, then take a wander to the Park.
I walk my dogs every day in Lund Park, and there are a lot of irresponsible dog owners who don't clean up after their dogs. There's also take away cartons, and paper everywhere from the takeaway near to the post office on oakworth road. The minute the sun comes out, young asian males hang around on the skateboard humps dealing Cannabis, mainly to children, and use the bushes next to the bowling green to hide their stash. Iv contacted the Police on several occasions, but the usual happens, nothing. The amount of vodka bottles etc that are left smashed on the paths by young Asians is depressing, and not only a danger for dogs being walked, but to the children playing and ridding their bikes, never mind being nipped by a dog. I have often had problems with yound Asian males, only yesterday as I walked up the central path past the play area about 5 or 6 lads about 14y started screaming like idiots and run into the fenced playground. They then started barking, whistling, hissing, and shouting no wonder they get attacked, and this is typical of groups / gangs in lund park. To the Asian community, the vast majority of you are great, but before you start a campaign against dog owners, please deal with your kids Drug taking, and dealing, alcohol consumption, and general anti social attitude to other park users. Ask yourselves what your teenage sons are doing when they are out a 2am, then take a wander to the Park. kezasian
  • Score: 4

2:39pm Fri 6 Jun 14

kezasian says...

Yravinalarf! wrote:
Hey people, keep the undertones more constructive than digging at racial issues, then we all might progress.
Hey Yravinalarf, these are not racial issues my friend, they are social issues.
[quote][p][bold]Yravinalarf![/bold] wrote: Hey people, keep the undertones more constructive than digging at racial issues, then we all might progress.[/p][/quote]Hey Yravinalarf, these are not racial issues my friend, they are social issues. kezasian
  • Score: 4

5:14pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Mixter says...

Years ago this was a desirable area. Since it was taken over - yes 'taken over', by the current crop of residents, its desirability has plummeted.

This lot arent the only litter-louts and druggies in town, but they dominate this area - which is the area under discussion.
Years ago this was a desirable area. Since it was taken over - yes 'taken over', by the current crop of residents, its desirability has plummeted. This lot arent the only litter-louts and druggies in town, but they dominate this area - which is the area under discussion. Mixter
  • Score: 3

6:06pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Stevo54 says...

I thought the thread would have been closed down by now, I would think the comments are far too near the truth for the KN's liking.
I thought the thread would have been closed down by now, I would think the comments are far too near the truth for the KN's liking. Stevo54
  • Score: 2

6:47pm Fri 6 Jun 14

fsharpminor says...

This is nothing new !. Way back in about 1956 (Id be 9) I was badly bitten by a free roaming fox terrier whilst playing cricket against the band stand. It belonged to a woman in Fell Lane, and got put down (the dog not the woman!)
This is nothing new !. Way back in about 1956 (Id be 9) I was badly bitten by a free roaming fox terrier whilst playing cricket against the band stand. It belonged to a woman in Fell Lane, and got put down (the dog not the woman!) fsharpminor
  • Score: -1

8:20pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Stevo54 says...

I was once bitten by a German Shepherd but he was very nice about it and even let me take his dog for a walk.
I was once bitten by a German Shepherd but he was very nice about it and even let me take his dog for a walk. Stevo54
  • Score: -4

10:49pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Yravinalarf! says...

It just saddens me that so many in this thread keep referring to racial origins. There is no mention of the racial origins, with such bile, when talking of the anti social behavior of hoards of youths in other parks on a typical hot eve, smoking, urinating, drinking, drugging, intimidating, requiring special Police anti-Asbo operations, such as at Oakworth, Cross Roads or Haworth. - perhaps its because they are not Asian. So, why not be constructive and discuss how to deal with the poops.
It just saddens me that so many in this thread keep referring to racial origins. There is no mention of the racial origins, with such bile, when talking of the anti social behavior of hoards of youths in other parks on a typical hot eve, smoking, urinating, drinking, drugging, intimidating, requiring special Police anti-Asbo operations, such as at Oakworth, Cross Roads or Haworth. - perhaps its because they are not Asian. So, why not be constructive and discuss how to deal with the poops. Yravinalarf!
  • Score: -2

1:56am Sat 7 Jun 14

kezasian says...

The point is Yravinalarf we live around this park, and its ALL the problems in this park that should be of concern. I agree there are a number of aggressive dogs with irresponsible owners, my two dogs and I were attacked by an American pit bull type last year but the police and council never tracked it down, the owner was white incase you were wondering. The amount of dog mess is foul, that we all agree on, and why people go to the trouble of bagging it then chucking it in a bush instead of the bin Ill never know. Since the signs went up some years ago telling dog owners to clean up or face a fine, Iv only ever seen seen one woman stopped, by a special police officer, and taken back to where her dog had craped, and asked to pick it up, why wasnt she fined ? I have never heard of anyone being prosecuted for dog fouling in Lund Park, so maybe the park resident group should start demanding the Police / Council start handing out fines.
But the park has other problems that affect us all to, and thats the drug dealing that goes on, which at the moment is by young Asian males selling weed. I've lived overlooking the park since 1982, and believe me it wasn't perfect for a picnic back then either when it was white youths drinking, fighting, and dealing heroin. This seems be have been forgotten by long term resident of the area, and dont let them kid you that this was a desirable place to live, because it hasn't been, well not post war anyway. I think a lot of owners who use the park to exercise their dogs are feeling a bit singled out when there are more pressing worries, but that doesn't help the poor kid who got chased by the GSD, he must have been terrified
The point is Yravinalarf we live around this park, and its ALL the problems in this park that should be of concern. I agree there are a number of aggressive dogs with irresponsible owners, my two dogs and I were attacked by an American pit bull type last year but the police and council never tracked it down, the owner was white incase you were wondering. The amount of dog mess is foul, that we all agree on, and why people go to the trouble of bagging it then chucking it in a bush instead of the bin Ill never know. Since the signs went up some years ago telling dog owners to clean up or face a fine, Iv only ever seen seen one woman stopped, by a special police officer, and taken back to where her dog had craped, and asked to pick it up, why wasnt she fined ? I have never heard of anyone being prosecuted for dog fouling in Lund Park, so maybe the park resident group should start demanding the Police / Council start handing out fines. But the park has other problems that affect us all to, and thats the drug dealing that goes on, which at the moment is by young Asian males selling weed. I've lived overlooking the park since 1982, and believe me it wasn't perfect for a picnic back then either when it was white youths drinking, fighting, and dealing heroin. This seems be have been forgotten by long term resident of the area, and dont let them kid you that this was a desirable place to live, because it hasn't been, well not post war anyway. I think a lot of owners who use the park to exercise their dogs are feeling a bit singled out when there are more pressing worries, but that doesn't help the poor kid who got chased by the GSD, he must have been terrified kezasian
  • Score: 3

10:05am Sat 7 Jun 14

needtoescape says...

Yravinalarf, its not people being racist, its basic statistics. The area in question and which I live in is predominately Asian so the odds are that the problems in a public park are going to be caused by the communities with the greater numbers as more of them. If the area was predominately martians it would probably be them. Hench why the parks in Oakworth, Haworth etc are in higher populated white areas, so its the white community causing issues there. It really isn't rocket science, and you yourself are trying to put the racist edged to this thread.
Yravinalarf, its not people being racist, its basic statistics. The area in question and which I live in is predominately Asian so the odds are that the problems in a public park are going to be caused by the communities with the greater numbers as more of them. If the area was predominately martians it would probably be them. Hench why the parks in Oakworth, Haworth etc are in higher populated white areas, so its the white community causing issues there. It really isn't rocket science, and you yourself are trying to put the racist edged to this thread. needtoescape
  • Score: -1

12:44pm Sat 7 Jun 14

Ian-Holt Roberts says...

No doubt a problem exists with regards dogs and the none clearing away of the dog dirt and litter in this area, and indeed other areas in our town,I just find it strange that the people who are complaining ,to my knowledge have been silent on the real issues surrounding this particular park that have been highlighted in the past ,and please do not attempt to give me an answer as I have already worked it out having traveled through the park and immediate area since the 1950 s .
No doubt a problem exists with regards dogs and the none clearing away of the dog dirt and litter in this area, and indeed other areas in our town,I just find it strange that the people who are complaining ,to my knowledge have been silent on the real issues surrounding this particular park that have been highlighted in the past ,and please do not attempt to give me an answer as I have already worked it out having traveled through the park and immediate area since the 1950 s . Ian-Holt Roberts
  • Score: -2

1:46pm Sat 7 Jun 14

Ian-Holt Roberts says...

Yravinalarf! wrote:
It just saddens me that so many in this thread keep referring to racial origins. There is no mention of the racial origins, with such bile, when talking of the anti social behavior of hoards of youths in other parks on a typical hot eve, smoking, urinating, drinking, drugging, intimidating, requiring special Police anti-Asbo operations, such as at Oakworth, Cross Roads or Haworth. - perhaps its because they are not Asian. So, why not be constructive and discuss how to deal with the poops.
Yravinalarf it also saddens me ,saddens me that a group of keighley people are forever complaining ,and I am not referring to the weather .I might be doing the group an injustice but the impression they give is that they expect to have everything done just to suit them regardless of how it effects others ,and they want it now .failure to do this and of course the race card can be played .
[quote][p][bold]Yravinalarf![/bold] wrote: It just saddens me that so many in this thread keep referring to racial origins. There is no mention of the racial origins, with such bile, when talking of the anti social behavior of hoards of youths in other parks on a typical hot eve, smoking, urinating, drinking, drugging, intimidating, requiring special Police anti-Asbo operations, such as at Oakworth, Cross Roads or Haworth. - perhaps its because they are not Asian. So, why not be constructive and discuss how to deal with the poops.[/p][/quote]Yravinalarf it also saddens me ,saddens me that a group of keighley people are forever complaining ,and I am not referring to the weather .I might be doing the group an injustice but the impression they give is that they expect to have everything done just to suit them regardless of how it effects others ,and they want it now .failure to do this and of course the race card can be played . Ian-Holt Roberts
  • Score: 1

4:44pm Sat 7 Jun 14

Behind_the_8-Ball says...

I see a lot of comment in here about the park not having been a nice place since the 50’s… well sorry to disagree but when I was a kid my father taught me to ride without stabilisers on the main avenue, and we walked the dog ON A LEAD. Then in the early seventies, I practically lived there for six weeks every summer. I think I only went home for meals. It was lush, full of bushes and rose beds and trees and packed with people. We would regularly stay there all day playing five a side, organised by a local guy who’s name I think was Paul Armsden, who used to play for keighley town AFC back when we actually HAD a team. He was a fantastic young bloke and taught a load of local kids how to play better. My parents never worried about me being in the park till late evening… other than the obligatory bunch of “Big Lads” who’d knick your ball or give you a shove now and then, there was little or no threat that I remember. We climbed trees, collected conkers, played footie and cricket and hide n seek. The only bulldogs that ever injured anyone was Bulldog’s Charge.

Lund Park was part of the community. The landscape of my childhood. A good place. A nice place. Now… at nearly fifty, I walk home from work through there and it’s so far removed from the place I remember that it makes me sad. I suppose that like so much of the town of my birth, it only lives on in my memory.
I see a lot of comment in here about the park not having been a nice place since the 50’s… well sorry to disagree but when I was a kid my father taught me to ride without stabilisers on the main avenue, and we walked the dog ON A LEAD. Then in the early seventies, I practically lived there for six weeks every summer. I think I only went home for meals. It was lush, full of bushes and rose beds and trees and packed with people. We would regularly stay there all day playing five a side, organised by a local guy who’s name I think was Paul Armsden, who used to play for keighley town AFC back when we actually HAD a team. He was a fantastic young bloke and taught a load of local kids how to play better. My parents never worried about me being in the park till late evening… other than the obligatory bunch of “Big Lads” who’d knick your ball or give you a shove now and then, there was little or no threat that I remember. We climbed trees, collected conkers, played footie and cricket and hide n seek. The only bulldogs that ever injured anyone was Bulldog’s Charge. Lund Park was part of the community. The landscape of my childhood. A good place. A nice place. Now… at nearly fifty, I walk home from work through there and it’s so far removed from the place I remember that it makes me sad. I suppose that like so much of the town of my birth, it only lives on in my memory. Behind_the_8-Ball
  • Score: 1

4:53pm Sat 7 Jun 14

Behind_the_8-Ball says...

As a footnote to my comment... and in tribute to the wit of the 1970's... there now follows the first piece of Graffiti that I ever learned off by heart. It stands as a testament to my innocence that I actually thought the author was referring to shellfish.

From the back of the toilet door in the gents public lavatory, Lund Park, circa 1974...

"It's no use standing on the toilet seat, the crabs in here can jump six feet... if you think that's rather high, go next door... the 8astards fly"
As a footnote to my comment... and in tribute to the wit of the 1970's... there now follows the first piece of Graffiti that I ever learned off by heart. It stands as a testament to my innocence that I actually thought the author was referring to shellfish. From the back of the toilet door in the gents public lavatory, Lund Park, circa 1974... "It's no use standing on the toilet seat, the crabs in here can jump six feet... if you think that's rather high, go next door... the 8astards fly" Behind_the_8-Ball
  • Score: 1

11:46pm Sat 7 Jun 14

Phil.Gilbert says...

The reason we are all referring to Lumb park is that this thread is about Lumb park... Of course we all know other parks have anti-social problems like gangs of WHITE youths causing problems. The problem with Lumb park is it's full of dog sh*t and gangs of asians what more can we say?? We can't say it's a loverly place to take your children with lush clean grass with immaculately kept grounds with birds tweeting love songs cos that would be lying.. I dare any one of you do gooders to go in that park after dark what ever colour or creed you are and walk around for a bit and then tell us you didn't come across at least one gang of asians and feel a little intimidated or tread in some dog sh*t...
The reason we are all referring to Lumb park is that this thread is about Lumb park... Of course we all know other parks have anti-social problems like gangs of WHITE youths causing problems. The problem with Lumb park is it's full of dog sh*t and gangs of asians what more can we say?? We can't say it's a loverly place to take your children with lush clean grass with immaculately kept grounds with birds tweeting love songs cos that would be lying.. I dare any one of you do gooders to go in that park after dark what ever colour or creed you are and walk around for a bit and then tell us you didn't come across at least one gang of asians and feel a little intimidated or tread in some dog sh*t... Phil.Gilbert
  • Score: 1

9:04am Sun 8 Jun 14

Ian-Holt Roberts says...

Behind_the_8-Ball wrote:
As a footnote to my comment... and in tribute to the wit of the 1970's... there now follows the first piece of Graffiti that I ever learned off by heart. It stands as a testament to my innocence that I actually thought the author was referring to shellfish.

From the back of the toilet door in the gents public lavatory, Lund Park, circa 1974...

"It's no use standing on the toilet seat, the crabs in here can jump six feet... if you think that's rather high, go next door... the 8astards fly"
Behind the 8 ball that particular bit of graffiti appeared on countless toilet doors mainly on building sites ,I loved the wit of the 50 s 60 s and once read a book containing all the standard comments found on the toilet doors I found it so funny .With regards to Lund park ,in the 50 s I would walk from Bracken Bank to school going through Lund park every day ,play in the park at lunch time by the tennis court Duck pond ,and following a night at the oxford walk back home through the park ,and guess what not a problem .Yes there was dog muck around but you could still walk home safely . If the people objecting to the dog muck have nothing else to complain about in this area then it speaks volumes from where the real problems of the park lies /
[quote][p][bold]Behind_the_8-Ball[/bold] wrote: As a footnote to my comment... and in tribute to the wit of the 1970's... there now follows the first piece of Graffiti that I ever learned off by heart. It stands as a testament to my innocence that I actually thought the author was referring to shellfish. From the back of the toilet door in the gents public lavatory, Lund Park, circa 1974... "It's no use standing on the toilet seat, the crabs in here can jump six feet... if you think that's rather high, go next door... the 8astards fly"[/p][/quote]Behind the 8 ball that particular bit of graffiti appeared on countless toilet doors mainly on building sites ,I loved the wit of the 50 s 60 s and once read a book containing all the standard comments found on the toilet doors I found it so funny .With regards to Lund park ,in the 50 s I would walk from Bracken Bank to school going through Lund park every day ,play in the park at lunch time by the tennis court Duck pond ,and following a night at the oxford walk back home through the park ,and guess what not a problem .Yes there was dog muck around but you could still walk home safely . If the people objecting to the dog muck have nothing else to complain about in this area then it speaks volumes from where the real problems of the park lies / Ian-Holt Roberts
  • Score: 0

9:17am Mon 9 Jun 14

Shauny-Boy says...

I personally don't fear gangs in Lund Park, I'm a big boy with a big punch, what I do fear though is the dogs roaming free whilst their irresponsible owners chat idly on their mobile phones.
I personally don't fear gangs in Lund Park, I'm a big boy with a big punch, what I do fear though is the dogs roaming free whilst their irresponsible owners chat idly on their mobile phones. Shauny-Boy
  • Score: 3

1:03pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Behind_the_8-Ball says...

Shauny-Boy wrote:
I personally don't fear gangs in Lund Park, I'm a big boy with a big punch, what I do fear though is the dogs roaming free whilst their irresponsible owners chat idly on their mobile phones.
I don't tend to back down either, Shauny... but the last nervous moment I had involved passing a group of around 10 guys, all late teens / early twenties, who all stopped chatting and silently watched me walk past. The word intimidation leapt to mind... as there was no real need that I could see for a sudden halt to their conversation or their close observation. I continue to walk through Lund Park... and will do so always unless stopped... but as I say, dogs, sadly, now feature low on my list of potential risk factors.
[quote][p][bold]Shauny-Boy[/bold] wrote: I personally don't fear gangs in Lund Park, I'm a big boy with a big punch, what I do fear though is the dogs roaming free whilst their irresponsible owners chat idly on their mobile phones.[/p][/quote]I don't tend to back down either, Shauny... but the last nervous moment I had involved passing a group of around 10 guys, all late teens / early twenties, who all stopped chatting and silently watched me walk past. The word intimidation leapt to mind... as there was no real need that I could see for a sudden halt to their conversation or their close observation. I continue to walk through Lund Park... and will do so always unless stopped... but as I say, dogs, sadly, now feature low on my list of potential risk factors. Behind_the_8-Ball
  • Score: -3

10:19am Tue 10 Jun 14

lund park says...

Ah yes the good all 1970's when the grass was green the sky was blue and the people were white.
LOL guess what people its 2014, things have changed maybe you preferred them back then maybe you prefer them now but the overall fact is THIS IS 2014. The people who live next to and use the park have every right to complain about dogs running 'wild' regardless of other issues such 'groups of up to or more than ten Asians. The Asians you are referring too have the exact same rights as you not more not less they are equivalent of all of you people commenting here. You act like all the parks problems will be solved if Asians had not come and moved in to the community. Even by commenting such crap you are come across as an xenophobic bigot. Furthermore as a resident of Lund park i can not think of a location I feel more safe in than Lund park, this clearly shows the contrast in views. Lund park is far from perfect but name a place in Keighley that is? you can blame the minorities all you like but until you get up and actually try and implement a positive change in the park nothing will change in your favour .
VIVA LA LUND PARK
Ah yes the good all 1970's when the grass was green the sky was blue and the people were white. LOL guess what people its 2014, things have changed maybe you preferred them back then maybe you prefer them now but the overall fact is THIS IS 2014. The people who live next to and use the park have every right to complain about dogs running 'wild' regardless of other issues such 'groups of up to or more than ten Asians. The Asians you are referring too have the exact same rights as you not more not less they are equivalent of all of you people commenting here. You act like all the parks problems will be solved if Asians had not come and moved in to the community. Even by commenting such crap you are come across as an xenophobic bigot. Furthermore as a resident of Lund park i can not think of a location I feel more safe in than Lund park, this clearly shows the contrast in views. Lund park is far from perfect but name a place in Keighley that is? you can blame the minorities all you like but until you get up and actually try and implement a positive change in the park nothing will change in your favour . VIVA LA LUND PARK lund park
  • Score: 1

10:37am Tue 10 Jun 14

Lara lou says...

I agree with the majority of people on here! I used to love going to that park when I was a kid and walking on Victoria road until a few years ago when I was walking through the park with my 4 YEAR OLD SON bear in mind, I got to the bottom gates near vic road and was hounded by a big group of Asian youth playing music on there mobiles or whatever smoking weed, calling me a white **** and asking me if I wanted to suck there black ****, I had to pretend to be on the phone and walk as fast as I could as I was so scared for me and my son, I've never been back there since! And don't intend on going back to be racially abused and asked crude things. This man who has gone to the keighley news should be aware of what these people are doing smoking weed selling drugs, hounding young women, my dad told me the park was never like that when he was young. Never no drug dealing, weed smoking racist people anywhere, such a shame!!!!!
I agree with the majority of people on here! I used to love going to that park when I was a kid and walking on Victoria road until a few years ago when I was walking through the park with my 4 YEAR OLD SON bear in mind, I got to the bottom gates near vic road and was hounded by a big group of Asian youth playing music on there mobiles or whatever smoking weed, calling me a white **** and asking me if I wanted to suck there black ****, I had to pretend to be on the phone and walk as fast as I could as I was so scared for me and my son, I've never been back there since! And don't intend on going back to be racially abused and asked crude things. This man who has gone to the keighley news should be aware of what these people are doing smoking weed selling drugs, hounding young women, my dad told me the park was never like that when he was young. Never no drug dealing, weed smoking racist people anywhere, such a shame!!!!! Lara lou
  • Score: 0

12:46pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Behind_the_8-Ball says...

lund park wrote:
Ah yes the good all 1970's when the grass was green the sky was blue and the people were white.
LOL guess what people its 2014, things have changed maybe you preferred them back then maybe you prefer them now but the overall fact is THIS IS 2014. The people who live next to and use the park have every right to complain about dogs running 'wild' regardless of other issues such 'groups of up to or more than ten Asians. The Asians you are referring too have the exact same rights as you not more not less they are equivalent of all of you people commenting here. You act like all the parks problems will be solved if Asians had not come and moved in to the community. Even by commenting such crap you are come across as an xenophobic bigot. Furthermore as a resident of Lund park i can not think of a location I feel more safe in than Lund park, this clearly shows the contrast in views. Lund park is far from perfect but name a place in Keighley that is? you can blame the minorities all you like but until you get up and actually try and implement a positive change in the park nothing will change in your favour .
VIVA LA LUND PARK
I believe I said "Guys".... I made no mention of their appearance... I think it's safe to assume that seeing as they were all under 30, they were all british, having been born here... regardless of their forebears ethnic status...

The only person yelling about "Asians" seems to be you, LundPark...
[quote][p][bold]lund park[/bold] wrote: Ah yes the good all 1970's when the grass was green the sky was blue and the people were white. LOL guess what people its 2014, things have changed maybe you preferred them back then maybe you prefer them now but the overall fact is THIS IS 2014. The people who live next to and use the park have every right to complain about dogs running 'wild' regardless of other issues such 'groups of up to or more than ten Asians. The Asians you are referring too have the exact same rights as you not more not less they are equivalent of all of you people commenting here. You act like all the parks problems will be solved if Asians had not come and moved in to the community. Even by commenting such crap you are come across as an xenophobic bigot. Furthermore as a resident of Lund park i can not think of a location I feel more safe in than Lund park, this clearly shows the contrast in views. Lund park is far from perfect but name a place in Keighley that is? you can blame the minorities all you like but until you get up and actually try and implement a positive change in the park nothing will change in your favour . VIVA LA LUND PARK[/p][/quote]I believe I said "Guys".... I made no mention of their appearance... I think it's safe to assume that seeing as they were all under 30, they were all british, having been born here... regardless of their forebears ethnic status... The only person yelling about "Asians" seems to be you, LundPark... Behind_the_8-Ball
  • Score: -6

7:00pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Shauny-Boy says...

Why do people get so irate when people state the truth?
The facts are that there IS groups of Asian lads who loiter around the park with the sole intention of intimidating park visitors.
I have heard of them saying that this is' their' park and white people aren't allowed in it.
How dare they assume that we will accept those comments, what if gangs of white youths hung around mosques shouting that Keighley is a white town, there would be uproar, with councillors jumping on the racial bandwagon.
Finally, I'm not racist or xenophobic, my parents were immigrants who came to Britain in the 40s and 50s, but what they did was integrate with the local community.
Why do people get so irate when people state the truth? The facts are that there IS groups of Asian lads who loiter around the park with the sole intention of intimidating park visitors. I have heard of them saying that this is' their' park and white people aren't allowed in it. How dare they assume that we will accept those comments, what if gangs of white youths hung around mosques shouting that Keighley is a white town, there would be uproar, with councillors jumping on the racial bandwagon. Finally, I'm not racist or xenophobic, my parents were immigrants who came to Britain in the 40s and 50s, but what they did was integrate with the local community. Shauny-Boy
  • Score: 3

9:16am Wed 11 Jun 14

Yravinalarf! says...

Peace, love and good will to all. If only the energies of all could be mobilised for positive community action. This might be of some inspiration:

http://www.lund-park
-group.org.uk/photos
.html

There is also an events diary and an interesting film, set in the Park.
Peace, love and good will to all. If only the energies of all could be mobilised for positive community action. This might be of some inspiration: http://www.lund-park -group.org.uk/photos .html There is also an events diary and an interesting film, set in the Park. Yravinalarf!
  • Score: 0

3:40pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Phil.Gilbert says...

Some of you make me laugh 'Lunb Park' we are talking about this park not any other park we all know other parks have problems like gangs of WHITE youths being knobs, this thread is about LUND PARK and the fact is it's full of Asian gangs and dog sh*t why should we not state this as it's a fact just like the fact I have a nose on my face... It's about time some people accept the fact the park is almost a no go area for white people on a evening atleast and it's a dog toilet. I'm not a racist and I'm fully aware that the said asians are most likley British Asians born in this country just like me. But like I said before I dare any white male to enter the park after dark and then come tell me any different..
Some of you make me laugh 'Lunb Park' we are talking about this park not any other park we all know other parks have problems like gangs of WHITE youths being knobs, this thread is about LUND PARK and the fact is it's full of Asian gangs and dog sh*t why should we not state this as it's a fact just like the fact I have a nose on my face... It's about time some people accept the fact the park is almost a no go area for white people on a evening atleast and it's a dog toilet. I'm not a racist and I'm fully aware that the said asians are most likley British Asians born in this country just like me. But like I said before I dare any white male to enter the park after dark and then come tell me any different.. Phil.Gilbert
  • Score: 0

11:06am Thu 12 Jun 14

Fulzar says...

While I agree with all the issues raised by everyone it would be help to have suggestions on how we, as a community, might better tackle such issues. I’m in the process of organising an open forum meeting for all concerned to come forward and discuss. Anyone interested in coming along please email me your details. fulzar.ahmed@hotmail
.co.uk Thanks.
While I agree with all the issues raised by everyone it would be help to have suggestions on how we, as a community, might better tackle such issues. I’m in the process of organising an open forum meeting for all concerned to come forward and discuss. Anyone interested in coming along please email me your details. fulzar.ahmed@hotmail .co.uk Thanks. Fulzar
  • Score: -3

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