‘Graffiti wall’ call by artist Matthew (From Keighley News)
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‘Graffiti wall’ call by artist Matthew
8:10am Thursday 30th December 2010 in Keighley By David Knights
Graffiti artist Matthew Roberts
The teenager who sprayed illegal graffiti across walls in Keighley has called for council-funded graffiti groups.
Matthew Roberts wants the authorities to provide walls where young people can spray without getting in trouble.
And he insists his daubings – mostly multi-coloured dinosaur heads – are art rather than criminal damage. The Bradford College art and design student said his actions were to raise the profile of graffiti art.
Matthew, 19, from Highfield, caused a storm earlier this month with his spray-painting spree around town. He painted Yoshi – a dinosaur character from the Super Mario videogames – at eight locations around Keighley. His pictures next to Reids bookshop in Caven-dish Street sparked controversy because they were dedicated to Keighley Town Council.
Matthew, who tags himself “Retro” in his graffiti, received eight cautions from police.
Matthew told the Keighley News he had not really thought about the illegality of his actions or that it would offend people.
He said: “That was just to get graffiti in the public eye. It’s not really vandalism. I’m not a little thug going round tagging for nothing. “There are going to be some people who hate it – but most people seem to like it. I wanted to brighten up things. I want people to smile.”
He dedicated his graffiti to Keighley Town Council because he wanted its members – and other politicians – to support graffiti.
He said: “They should embrace the art side and start groups. There should be whitewashed walls in Keighley where you could do it legally.
“They could have a council-run session. It will definitely get the kids off the street.”
Matthew taught himself graffiti art and for the past 10 years he has attended sessions at Keighley arts group Small World, which earlier this year controversially commissioned a convicted graffiti vandal to pass on his art skills to children.
Matthew passionately believes that Small World should receive council funding to teach graffiti to more local youngsters.
Matthew said he was in talks with two of his graffiti targets – Holycroft Primary School and Keighley Market – to carry out more artwork.
He said: “I won’t be getting paid for any of it. It won’t be teaching anything illegal at Holycroft, just how to do art. The market like my work. They wanted me to get people back into the market. We want to get Keighley more recognised.”
Matthew said he would not carry out any more illegal spray-painting.
Comments(154)
blt1
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12:41pm Thu 30 Dec 10
con5piracy
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1:20pm Thu 30 Dec 10
MarkPullen
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1:59pm Thu 30 Dec 10
;)
Kingchaser
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2:20pm Thu 30 Dec 10
(Just so long as it is much further back in the queue than Council-funded places for dominos, darts and snooker with council-provided Real Ale and Sky Sports).
Fair enough?
MarkPullen
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4:43pm Thu 30 Dec 10
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Whilst some of the organisations affected may be considering the requesting the "artwork" to be completed, the taxpayer (through the council) will bear the cost of removal in other locations.
r.beale
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4:43pm Thu 30 Dec 10
Give the lad his due,a fine piece of work, wondering if they represented members of the Management & Staffing Committee,not the worst crime in the book.
MarkPullen
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5:07pm Thu 30 Dec 10
blt1
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6:07pm Thu 30 Dec 10
rombalds revenge
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6:50pm Thu 30 Dec 10
Loyal Keighley
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7:02pm Thu 30 Dec 10
Kingchaser
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7:17pm Thu 30 Dec 10
Not Keighley Town Council.
I accept full responsibility, Mark.
There's no need to bring the council into this thread.
:-)
r.beale - I don't fully understand the sentence that begins "Give the lad his due...." Could you make the point a little clearer please? Management and Staffing Committee??
Kingchaser
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7:20pm Thu 30 Dec 10
I must admit that I thought that Mr Hoddy had gone off his rocker with a call to violence in the title!
MarkPullen
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7:32pm Thu 30 Dec 10
Loyal Keighley wrote:Loyal Keighley - I don't know you (as you hide behind a nickname) and to my knowledge you have no idea who my friends are.
Note number four posting rombalds revenge, haworth: Once again your friend opened the trap, your off!
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Please refrain from linking me to others on these forums.
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The only person (I'm aware of) that I have met and had anything like a friendship is David Samuels - and that is from a couple of short but interesting conversations.
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Kind regards
Loyal Keighley
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7:39pm Thu 30 Dec 10
MarkPullen
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7:40pm Thu 30 Dec 10
blt1
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8:31pm Thu 30 Dec 10
Delete the council.con
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9:57pm Thu 30 Dec 10
While I’m on the subject of outrageous spending, how much interest on the £1 Million pound loan is being paid out of the public purse now before any work has started? It seems to be a secret known only to a select few and that does not include any member of the public who have a right to know.
Loyal Keighley
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10:48pm Thu 30 Dec 10
Be careful contributor of what you say on this site. Principles do not matter, as Mr Samuels has previously pointed out. I’m not saying that crooks are about in the KTC, but high expenses and wages for the boys are not ruled out from information freely available to those in the know. (Not the rate paying public of course,) It has taken over six months since that loan was granted and before even the police station was bought, but interest was paid since the money fell into the lap of the wise men of the council. As stated the £1 Million pound loan is being paid out of the public purse now before any work has started? Seems like only £50, 000 will have been wasted. Stop moaning, Delete the council.con, there will be more money wasted before the May elections and the true figures are released. Don't just write on this blog, we all know it's controlled by the local council. Stand in the May Elections and get others to do the same otherwise the true figures will remain hidden and never be published.
Anonymous:3
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11:44pm Thu 30 Dec 10
Kingchaser
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12:39am Fri 31 Dec 10
Seriously, I agree with blt1. Until it becomes legal for someone to impose their idea of art on other people's property...(can I come and impose mine on yours Anonymous:3) then this was an illegal act and deserves punishment. It should not be lauded by anyone, it should not be excused as a misplaced request for funding, as if!, and the police should be asked to prosecute with a fine imposed that at least recovers the cost of clean-up.
No excuses, this dipstick deliberately contravened the law of the land. Is this really less-worse than driving at 35 in a 30 zone (which I'm not condoning)
rombalds revenge
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7:30am Fri 31 Dec 10
chiccaphotography
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9:25am Fri 31 Dec 10
Someone does something to change that and gets charged by the police.
As for saying "get a piece of paper", why should people/children be limited to using small pieces of paper to express their creativity?
blt1
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9:56am Fri 31 Dec 10
chiccaphotography wrote:At the risk of repeating myself you'd be o.k. for me and paint the side of youre house however I feel like for the sake of art.Also why not use his parents property to"express himself"?this isn't about art it's about criminal damage.
There is absolutely nothing for children to do, Small World does brilliant work, and as for Matthew's work, it's brightened up a very dull town centre. I've had people visiting Keighley from all over the UK coming for photoshoots, and a few have commented on how bland the place is. Someone does something to change that and gets charged by the police. As for saying "get a piece of paper", why should people/children be limited to using small pieces of paper to express their creativity?
p.s. it's nice to see other people commenting on these threads rather then the 4-5 usual suspects,please keep doing so even if we don't always agree.
Kingchaser
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10:43am Fri 31 Dec 10
It doesn't matter how bland the town centre was before this act took place. It doesn't matter whether the work has merit or not (with art, different people have different perceptions).
What does matter is that the correct permissions are sought and received before altering/using someone elses property. It really is that simple.
And neither do I "buy" the story that there's nothing for kids to do. There never was in my day either. So we found things to do. Legal things.
Excusing this act in any way is just not right.
r.beale
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11:07am Fri 31 Dec 10
Well done delete the council.your post says it all.
blt1
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11:27am Fri 31 Dec 10
Kingchaser
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11:37am Fri 31 Dec 10
Are you being deliberately provocative?
How does one propose to "move" grafitti when it is on a fixed surface such as a wall.
The debate is not about the quality of the young man's daubings (which is subjective) but whether he should have committed this illegal act.
One other thing is that in the follow-up there is no criticism intended by his dedication of some of the grafitti to KTC. It is just an illegal publicity stunt to raise awareness and get funding. Almost a sort of financial terrorism.
r.beale
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11:52am Fri 31 Dec 10
Again from another prospective,this kid has added more brightness in a few square yards than the abismal Christmas Decorations,why not give this lad the chance to use his talents in a more positive way,legal of course,he might welcome the opportunity.
blt1
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12:37pm Fri 31 Dec 10
Loyal Keighley
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1:43pm Fri 31 Dec 10
He has been legally cautioned, and yet the publicity he has received on this site has been exceptional. Cllr Mark Pullen has blamed the Keighley Town Council, blt1suggest Mr Roberts moves to the New York Bronx area. King Chaser bizarrely mentions Council funded dominos, darts and snooker with council-provided Real Ale and Sky Sports, that posting I admit puzzled me. Then equally bizarrely Cllr Mark Pullen criticizes me for hiding behind a nickname but not his fellow contributors on this site, expected! He then voices the opinion that he and Mr Samuels could be friends, a la, Mr Samuels and Mr Hoddy! Sherry Trifle was then served while Anonymous:3 lightened up the proceedings with his comment of GO MATTHEW WELL DONE. The puritanical King Chaser uses the word ‘dipstick’ to once again chastise a legally cautioned Mr Roberts. (King Chaser I have a clean Driving Licence before you start your response!)
Mr Roberts I think should thank all who have made mention of his illegal actions. The plus factor is that he has now gained world wide publicity for his artistic work which will be remembered after this most heinous crime has long been forgotten. (More comments Mr Roberts are due to appear. I really do hope that all these comments are being saved for your Scrap Book to laugh about in your doting years,)
Whilst I had not planned to make comment the emptation got the better of me as I read the postings. My appologies. A Happy New Year to all who have genuine love and understanding for their enemies.
Kingchaser
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3:48pm Fri 31 Dec 10
Here we go again. Nothing but insult from Loyal David.
r.beale - any comment to make about the quality of David Keighley's posts on this thread? You normally make comment about everyone elses!
This, with regard to KTC, is a non-story.
Bloke commits vandalism.
Bloke is not punished.
Bloke explains he wants to get more funding to train more vandals.
Bloke needs a reality check.
End of story.
Kingchaser
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3:52pm Fri 31 Dec 10
Kingchaser
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3:55pm Fri 31 Dec 10
lol
MarkPullen
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4:27pm Fri 31 Dec 10
Loyal Keighley wrote:Loyal Keighley
I must wholeheartedly agree with the sentiments Cllr Beale regarding Mr Roberts. It is not the worst crime in the book, or in this year’s page of the Keighley News.
He has been legally cautioned, and yet the publicity he has received on this site has been exceptional. Cllr Mark Pullen has blamed the Keighley Town Council, blt1suggest Mr Roberts moves to the New York Bronx area. King Chaser bizarrely mentions Council funded dominos, darts and snooker with council-provided Real Ale and Sky Sports, that posting I admit puzzled me. Then equally bizarrely Cllr Mark Pullen criticizes me for hiding behind a nickname but not his fellow contributors on this site, expected! He then voices the opinion that he and Mr Samuels could be friends, a la, Mr Samuels and Mr Hoddy! Sherry Trifle was then served while Anonymous:3 lightened up the proceedings with his comment of GO MATTHEW WELL DONE. The puritanical King Chaser uses the word ‘dipstick’ to once again chastise a legally cautioned Mr Roberts. (King Chaser I have a clean Driving Licence before you start your response!)
Mr Roberts I think should thank all who have made mention of his illegal actions. The plus factor is that he has now gained world wide publicity for his artistic work which will be remembered after this most heinous crime has long been forgotten. (More comments Mr Roberts are due to appear. I really do hope that all these comments are being saved for your Scrap Book to laugh about in your doting years,)
Whilst I had not planned to make comment the emptation got the better of me as I read the postings. My appologies. A Happy New Year to all who have genuine love and understanding for their enemies.
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Please allow me to correct you on a number of items:
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1) I make comments on this site as an individual and not in my voluntary role as a parish councillor in the Haworth, Cross Roads, and Stanbury Council. I would be grateful if you would refrain from linking my personal comments to any which I make formally as a member of such council. My parish does not include the area in question and therefore outside of my remit.
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2) My accusation regarding hiding behind a nickname relates to your assumptions that I am friends with other contributors of these pages. As I do not know you real persona (and that of many others except Kingchaser and David Samuels) I do not accept your reference to any relationship which I have. David Samuels is the only poster in these pages who I have knowingly met and the conversations were civil and broadly of a consensus on the topics discussed.
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I do wish that people wouldn't misread comments made.
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Please understand that I make comments on these pages because I want to!
The readership/contibuto
rs of these comments are from such a small "community" and totally non-representitive of the residents are act on behalf of and therefore the wrong forum to utilise.
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More than happy to discuss issues via email or face-to-face but comments pages aren't even true forums!
MarkPullen
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4:29pm Fri 31 Dec 10
MarkPullen wrote:Just wanted to comment on my own posting as some people seem to have missed the irony of my post (which included a "wink" for those who missed it first time around).
I blame the KTC for this!!
;)
Kingchaser
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5:23pm Fri 31 Dec 10
You're making a mistake, I'm afraid.
You are trying to use politeness, reason and logic in dealing with Loyal Samuels. It doesn't work. Never will. I suspect you know that but have replied in order to make your position clear to other readers. You don't need to - we know what he's like.
blt1
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8:32pm Fri 31 Dec 10
p.s. my new years resolution not to get so worked about things on these threads after all.
he who is free of sin...............
r.beale
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11:02pm Fri 31 Dec 10
Kingchaser
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3:25am Sat 1 Jan 11
Big smiles.
Be honoured to have a beer with you.
Might be a bit boring cos I'm shy!
Health and happiness wishes to all. and I mean all.
:-)
rombalds revenge
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8:53am Sat 1 Jan 11
Little Green Man
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4:29pm Sat 1 Jan 11
Kingchaser
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6:41pm Sat 1 Jan 11
If his real aim was to secure more funding and sites where grafitti can ve daubed "legitimately" then I think he's done his cause great harm. Which I'm not too sad about.
What is wrong with bare walls? We have enough obtrusive advertising and signage all over the place without more garish cartoons (at best) adding to the view.
Having said that, I do sometimes admire the work of the chalk on pavement artists in some cities - and at least that is temporary.
MarkPullen
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7:01pm Sat 1 Jan 11
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Who should pay for this removal? The church? The taxpayer? The local council? or the culprit?
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I know who I think the invoice should be made out to!
akhan
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7:46pm Sat 1 Jan 11
Kingchaser
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8:35pm Sat 1 Jan 11
Essentially, if it's removal is paid for by the council then that falls on the taxpayer too, doesn't it?
This is why the police should not be allowed to hand out warnings. Since when were they responsible for sentencing? Every breach of the law should be prosecuted with, in this case, the magistrates deciding what fine should be imposed and what damages should be paid. The cuprit admitted his offence - why didn't the magistrates get a chance to decide?
MarkPullen
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8:51pm Sat 1 Jan 11
Kingchaser wrote:Kingchaser - I referred to KTC rather than BMDC.
Mark,
Essentially, if it's removal is paid for by the council then that falls on the taxpayer too, doesn't it?
This is why the police should not be allowed to hand out warnings. Since when were they responsible for sentencing? Every breach of the law should be prosecuted with, in this case, the magistrates deciding what fine should be imposed and what damages should be paid. The cuprit admitted his offence - why didn't the magistrates get a chance to decide?
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Not all residents in the area are residents within the KTC boundary.
Kingchaser
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9:04pm Sat 1 Jan 11
I wasn't referring to any council either. But Councils don't have their own money. They have taxpayers money and if they decide to pay for removal then essentially the taxpayers are paying. Maybe not all taxpayers in the area or even the country. But taxpayers none-the-less.
If this was my property that had been vandalised and the police had effectively decided not to proceed to the courts then I would be bringing a civil case against the culprit for damages and costs. Even if he had to pay at 50p per week.
Danniie
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11:54pm Sat 1 Jan 11
David samuels
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12:14am Sun 2 Jan 11
MarkPullen
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10:58am Sun 2 Jan 11
Wainwright-Dubai
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11:11am Sun 2 Jan 11
let him spray; I say!
r.beale
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11:17am Sun 2 Jan 11
Danniie wrote:Don't put out posts like that,you will upset e'm all again! We"Dads Army" guys are a serious lot, these kind of posts rock the boat,and our Council will bring back the stocks in the Town Hall Square and you and this naughty lad,along with David Samuels will be first up to make sure they work correctly!
well i think this work is amazing :) he's so talented, the people that don't like it are the people that are jealous of what matty can do. matty is going to have a great future because of his talent and ye all you lot that are disagreeing with the chicca but he's going to get further in life than anyone of you lot.
MarkPullen
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11:20am Sun 2 Jan 11
Wainwright-Dubai wrote:Maybe the artist would be welcomed in Dubai to brighten up the Dubai Mall ?
the kid obviously has talent!
let him spray; I say!
Wainwright-Dubai
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11:27am Sun 2 Jan 11
r.beale wrote:Danniie,
Danniie wrote: well i think this work is amazing :) he's so talented, the people that don't like it are the people that are jealous of what matty can do. matty is going to have a great future because of his talent and ye all you lot that are disagreeing with the chicca but he's going to get further in life than anyone of you lot.Don't put out posts like that,you will upset e'm all again! We"Dads Army" guys are a serious lot, these kind of posts rock the boat,and our Council will bring back the stocks in the Town Hall Square and you and this naughty lad,along with David Samuels will be first up to make sure they work correctly!
As much as I arent a fan of these Grumpy Old Men; one does believe that personally insulting these Grim Coal Miners should be more thought about.
Times change and and people change, years ago Graffiti was frowned upon, but in some countries, its competitive.
I doubt these Wool Millers are jealous, more upset that the young people of today are different, and they are set in their ways and dont like change.
Wainwright-Dubai
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11:28am Sun 2 Jan 11
MarkPullen wrote:nothing can brighten up that monstrosity of an excuse of a Mall!!!!!
Wainwright-Dubai wrote: the kid obviously has talent! let him spray; I say!Maybe the artist would be welcomed in Dubai to brighten up the Dubai Mall ?
But I like the way your thinking!
lol@u
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11:45am Sun 2 Jan 11
He may not have gone about it the right way but he has brought to everyone's attention that the youngsters around Keighley need something to do! There is nothing at all, that is why there is a culture of ASBO kids - a lot of it results from boredom. I don't condone what he's done but, judging by the comments, he has provoked a lot of strong thoughts and feelings. All he is saying is that, rather than going around town to do his "Art", he would like a place dedicated to this - it may cost money but is it more cost effective than having to clean it off the walls in the town centre?
Kingchaser
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12:22pm Sun 2 Jan 11
It would be more cost-effective if he financed his own hobby and didn't rely on other people clearing up his mess.
A public place belongs to the public. Not to one individual to choose to do with as he pleases.
If one man (and let's remember he is a grown-up) deserves an ASBO he does.
David samuels
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12:51pm Sun 2 Jan 11
Personally I would have to admit that far from being a saint myself, whilst never hitting a woman, or stealing from a blind person, etc I have striven to avoid being a hypocrite, so I admit to have broken the speed limit. I now await all the do-gooders reporting me to the authorities and demanding a severe custodial sentence for my admitted crimes. Priorities it seems to me, and it’s only my opinion which I am entitled to have I believe, are being skewed hypocritically.
Loyal Keighley
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1:08pm Sun 2 Jan 11
rombalds revenge
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2:21pm Sun 2 Jan 11
Kingchaser
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2:41pm Sun 2 Jan 11
New Year, New Pseudonyms. But same old pathetic nonesense from some.
Kingchaser
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3:02pm Sun 2 Jan 11
It only achieved the interest it did because of the unfounded and ridiculous comments from DS:
1. The quality of the daubs is so high that commissions will be forthcoming. If that's the case - why are they being removed and why is the bloke asking for funding?? Another assertion from DS that doesn't stand scrutiny.
2. That this was an attack on the quality of KTC. Which was refuted by the bloke himself in the follow-up article. Another assertion from DS which turned out to wrong.
The bloke's had his fifteen minutes of fame. Got off very lightly. If he does it again without permission they'll throw the book at him, I hope.
blt1
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3:21pm Sun 2 Jan 11
A little point to those new names we've seen ,as i said on Friday it's good to see you however a word of warning there are people on here who have there own agenda so try not to get involved in slanging matches.Also it is dangerous to make assumptions about people eg.you have no idea what i have or not done with my life, or just because I don't agree with what hes done does not necessarily make me an old f*** although Mrs blt1 may agree with you.
David samuels
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4:30pm Sun 2 Jan 11
The second point is that I have checked the post and have not found anybody who said that Mark Roberts act was in any way legal or condoned the illegal act. What was said was that basically most people admired the artwork, nothing more! In attacking me with such ferocity, my view is that Mark Roberts has gained an accolade of recognition throughout his life while King Chaser and others have been identified as, at the very least, artistically intolerant.
blt1
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4:41pm Sun 2 Jan 11
rombalds revenge
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5:19pm Sun 2 Jan 11
David samuels
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5:30pm Sun 2 Jan 11
r.beale
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5:36pm Sun 2 Jan 11
David samuels
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5:36pm Sun 2 Jan 11
Loyal Keighley
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5:45pm Sun 2 Jan 11
Little Green Man
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8:10pm Sun 2 Jan 11
Loyal Keighley
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12:03am Mon 3 Jan 11
The mantra they used against you has been repeated time after time until it has been broken.
For the record please note that your nemesis has made thirty two entries alongside your puny nine on this subject. I really don’t think the point used against you of seeking familiarity now stands up.
From an email recieved I have been asked to point out to you that Mr Roberts first name is Mathew. Mathew Roberts.
Mr Samuels you will probably be crucified for that mistake by the mob, but I’m sure Mr Roberts will not mind your mistake as his own mistake has made him famous!
Kingchaser
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12:53am Mon 3 Jan 11
No.
DS only got orgasmic when he thought the daubs of this idiot were a criticism of KTC.
Then he runs around trying to get more info - by his own admission.
He then made a hay-rick of himself by saying what he said and even the editor of the KN had to rebuke him.
He is a hypocrite.
All new posters - beware. Logic is lacking in some quarters as others more qualified than me have pointed out.
Disagree with DS/Loyal Keighley/Black Pen at your peril - you will be libelled and sanity called into question. They are all one and the same.
r.beale seems to want to cosy up...quiet when he/they state their nastiness - vocal when someone stands up to him.
Beware, beware, beware!
David samuels
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10:24am Mon 3 Jan 11
Kingchaser
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10:58am Mon 3 Jan 11
I merely point out what happens when either someone elses points out the flaws in your arguments or your vendetta against the KTC clouds your judgement for all to see.
You get nasty. Very nasty.
For example, I have never questioned your sanity or suggested that you should be institutionalised. How many times have you done that?
Loyal Keighley
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11:11am Mon 3 Jan 11
Kingchaser
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11:30am Mon 3 Jan 11
You have been found out with regard to using multiple identities to try to strengthen your argument or defend yourself from perceived attacks.
It is unnecessary. Why not turn over a new leaf at this time of year and throw all but one password away?
David samuels
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12:25pm Mon 3 Jan 11
Private confidences are sacrosanct but public information is a different issue unless national security is involved. KTC issues are not of national importance, yet it is very difficult to put out information, on KTC. Some people criticise us yet nothing to do with our Council, pay no rates, have no votes etc but pile in with abuse. This abuse has persisted for over six months. Every thing which is said by anybody within the Keighley margin and which may cast doubts or ask questions in public of our Council, are hysterically screamed at.
We are refused, point blank, to either debate or answers to questions put forward on vacant sites. Questions are blanketed out the issues of local governance and become hysterical when I and others refuse to be put off asking legitimate questions of my Council.
Why do we pay for the parking fines for employees? What is annual total cost of individual employee, each support staff member? Who takes the responsibility of the near annual half a million pound cost, and that does not include the over one million pound borrowed? At the Annual Keighley Town Meeting, for the first time ever, detailed questioning of all committee chairmen will not take place, why not?
The above is why I become frustrated, it seems evasion or fudging of facts is the norm. After the next local election I hope for all, and I mean all past financial details to be revealed to the public and continue to be debated monthly, then I’ll be quiet!
David samuels
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12:32pm Mon 3 Jan 11
Kingchaser
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12:38pm Mon 3 Jan 11
My measured answer:
I have no guilty secret. It does not surprise me that you ask....just another nasty accusation from yourself as usual when you've lost the argument.
I use a pseudonym because:
It is allowed....why do you use many?
I sense that you are just itching to know who I am. Let me tell you (again). I am an ordinary citizen sick of you hijacking this site for your own personal vendetta against a council that obviously wouldn't subscribe to your views...bad luck!
All can see your antics. It does you no credit.
Kingchaser
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12:41pm Mon 3 Jan 11
Ask yourself "who is really at fault, me or the rest of the world?"
Then come back with a different attitude and just one posting name and people might, just might, listen to you.
MarkPullen
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1:29pm Mon 3 Jan 11
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With all due respect you may not be aware that this criminal also targeted a local place of religion and commercial property.
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At no stage do I make comments related to the vandal copying images from a digital game or to the quality of colouring - my issue has always been (and will continue to be) that he broke the law.
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With regards to other people breaking the law - if I ever do so and are caught I will accept the punishment given. IMHO a caution cannot be seen as a real punishment.
Kingchaser
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2:33pm Mon 3 Jan 11
Of course a caution is insufficient and, as I point out earlier, why should the police be handing out the sentence? Their job is to prevent crime and catch criminals. It is then for the courts to decide on the punishment not the police. The punishment must fit the crime. In this case it clearly doesn't.
blt1
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2:36pm Mon 3 Jan 11
David samuels
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5:55pm Mon 3 Jan 11
I do not know what hat Mr Pullen is wearing when he makes comment regarding criminalization of all who make a mistake. Basically the type of hat Councillor/Mr Pullen wears doesn’t make any difference as it has been concussively proved in civilised worlds, by people, I respectfully suggest may have more intellectual ability and scientific skills than most of us on this site have been able to prove that not all crimes need such draconian measures as advocated by Councillor/Mr Pullen and anyway the authorities have banned the transhipping of criminals to Australia.
Kingchaser
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5:57pm Mon 3 Jan 11
Do I read your intention correctly in that you wish to call me a "bully-boy"?
If so, I'd welcome your pointing out the exact phrases I've used that allowed you to come to that conclusion.
Loyal Keighley
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6:02pm Mon 3 Jan 11
blt1
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6:09pm Mon 3 Jan 11
Kingchaser
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6:13pm Mon 3 Jan 11
I have never mocked your religion or your charity work.
However, I have mocked how you bring it in to conversation in order to try to justify your rather savage posts.
If charity work and religious views have no place in that debate then why do you often have to bring in the comments of your religious adviser for instance?
There is a time and a place for calling for good local governance, increased visibility and increased democracy. You all-too-often choose the wrong time and place and, as the editor of this paper has also pointed out - yopu do it in a crass way.
Now, in the hope of keeping blt1 contributing to this site I will refrain from answering any more of your posts regardless of how many times you mention my "name".
Oh, and by the way, although I'm sure he's more than capable of defending himself - I have to say that the comments you make about Mark Pullen and the way you twist what he has said are an absolute disgrace and you should be thoroughly, thoroughly ashamed.
MarkPullen
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7:57pm Mon 3 Jan 11
David samuels wrote:David
King Chaser if you or your followers were to take the trouble of thoroughly, and I mean thoroughly, analysing the past months comments directed at those of us who oppose your views on this site, I and my friends have never mocked your religion or lack of it as you and others have done of mine. Only you mocked the charity I and others offered over the years. Political issues, left, centre, right should have no bearing on views and none of use have used such biased as a debating point. Yes we have a vendetta against a council or in fact anybody who thinks that being passionate for democracy, for good local and national governance should be sneered at. Yes I have questioned your mental health on this matter, as you rightly say, I have no idea who you are, however your vicious comments on my faith, charity, local works and views on democracy have led me to believe, and it's my opinion, mind you, that whoever you are, you are either cruel or mentally unstable.
I do not know what hat Mr Pullen is wearing when he makes comment regarding criminalization of all who make a mistake. Basically the type of hat Councillor/Mr Pullen wears doesn’t make any difference as it has been concussively proved in civilised worlds, by people, I respectfully suggest may have more intellectual ability and scientific skills than most of us on this site have been able to prove that not all crimes need such draconian measures as advocated by Councillor/Mr Pullen and anyway the authorities have banned the transhipping of criminals to Australia.
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I have never stated what punishment (or "draconian measures" as you say) should be applied in this case - just that the vandalism remains on the properties affected and, it seems, the culprit has had a finger wagging only.
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P.S. All comments are made as Mr Mark Pullen unless I state otherwise!
MarkPullen
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8:34pm Mon 3 Jan 11
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I (Mark Pullen the resident NOT the parish councillor) PERSONALLY believe that the vandal who admitted to breaking the law when he defaced areas of the town centre and surroundings should have received a more severe punishment (though it isn't my call on what the punishment should be) than that which was applied.
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I (Mark Pullen the resident NOT the parish councillor) makes no PERSONAL comment on the quality of the vandalism - if it was Banksy or Hockney creating these scrawls without the rightful consent of the property owners I would still have the same opinion.
rombalds revenge
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8:37pm Mon 3 Jan 11
MarkPullen
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8:41pm Mon 3 Jan 11
rombalds revenge wrote:LOL
So thats agreed then,none of us are going to answer posts we feel are a boring b inflammatory, hang on, thats me finished then.
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Means I can catch up on some DIY as well then!
Kingchaser
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8:49pm Mon 3 Jan 11
Loyal Keighley
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9:50pm Mon 3 Jan 11
/Liberals parties. Don’t forget that we must send back all those foreigners who have entered our country, since 1066, or even before if we can get a debate going! All the above without a cross word at each other. 2011 is definitely going to be a new world on this site!
Cllr Beale I can see us all going for a pleasant pint and a laugh very soon.
David samuels
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9:56pm Mon 3 Jan 11
Little Green Man
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9:26am Tue 4 Jan 11
KC: Your constant sniping and schoolboy taunting is as annoying as DS constantly referring to KTC - how about a positive contribution for a change? DS and LK enjoy responding to your taunts as much as you seem to enjoy making them - if you really want to wind them up you only need to read these pages to see that ignoring them or sticking to the subject infuriates them no end!
Kingchaser
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10:02am Tue 4 Jan 11
If you look at the posts again you will find that I have tried to keep this thread on-topic as much, and probably more, than anyone else.
That is faced with a barrage of posts from DS which constantly bring my "name" into disrepute.
Far from "taunting" Mr S, as you suggest, I have implored him quite reasonably to begin posting in a more reasonable way.
If you could point me to a single post of mine which you could consider to be taunting (bearing in mind previous posts) then I will take a look.
blt1
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10:17am Tue 4 Jan 11
MarkPullen wrote:Me too as Mrs.blt1 is away(sorry just thought I'd try being a bit more lighthearted must have had post Christmas blues yesterday.)
rombalds revenge wrote: So thats agreed then,none of us are going to answer posts we feel are a boring b inflammatory, hang on, thats me finished then.LOL . Means I can catch up on some DIY as well then!
Kingchaser
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10:20am Tue 4 Jan 11
I only bet twice a year. Once on the Grand National and once once on the PDC darts final. Bet on the favourite yesterday and lost.
Made the mistake of telling Mrs Chaser. I think it'll be DIY for a while!
lol
Loyal Keighley
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10:38am Tue 4 Jan 11
However it would still be nice if even a semblance of probity could be practiced. Those members of the public who now bother to read the postings on this site must be bored of the same tired rhetoric. Don’t despair Mr Samuels, April is not far off and neither is change. Keep smiling old man!
David samuels
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10:44am Tue 4 Jan 11
rombalds revenge
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10:53am Tue 4 Jan 11
Kingchaser
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11:00am Tue 4 Jan 11
MarkPullen
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11:06am Tue 4 Jan 11
Loyal Keighley wrote:Loyal Keighley
Mr Samuels I think it was long ago established that life was not going to be easy on this site. LGM still thinks that most people are not aware of the situation he plays in these post as demonstrated in his last comments. As for Mark Pullen, whatever hat he wishes to wear, even he must be aware that his presence on this farce of a site is doing him no favours with the public and his credibility.
However it would still be nice if even a semblance of probity could be practiced. Those members of the public who now bother to read the postings on this site must be bored of the same tired rhetoric. Don’t despair Mr Samuels, April is not far off and neither is change. Keep smiling old man!
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My actions are what others judge me by - not the off the cuff remarks which I decide to make on these comments pages.
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I actively contribute to many forums which are moderated and manage to stay on brand - these pages are for comments to stories rather than discussions.
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With my hand on my heart I have no issues with any comments that I post on these pages.
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To be totally honest I never consider my presence/comments to be a farce and doubt that any right-minded reader who is aware of me (in whatever role) would question my creditibility based on the posts.
Little Green Man
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11:20am Tue 4 Jan 11
Kingchaser
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11:32am Tue 4 Jan 11
I think you must have got out of bed the wrong side chap! :-)
Is there any chance that you could point to one of my posts in which you claim I "taunt" Mr Samuels as requested?
In which case I will look at it, as promised.
As you're looking through the posts you may wish to take note of all the on-topic posts which I've made.
Or are you falling into the same trap of making unfounded accusations too?
rombalds revenge
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12:01pm Tue 4 Jan 11
rombalds revenge
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12:03pm Tue 4 Jan 11
Kingchaser
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12:23pm Tue 4 Jan 11
However, people have a right to choose to respond to whomever they wish and just because someone chooses to respond to DS should not mean they are berated by someone who chooses to ignore him.
LGM only seems to be happy when other people are doing just as he suggests, doesn't he?
Little Green Man
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12:24pm Tue 4 Jan 11
Kingchaser
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12:42pm Tue 4 Jan 11
blt1
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12:48pm Tue 4 Jan 11
Little Green Man
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12:49pm Tue 4 Jan 11
mrsrayner
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11:40am Wed 5 Jan 11
mrsrayner
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11:44am Wed 5 Jan 11
MarkPullen
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11:50am Wed 5 Jan 11
mrsrayner wrote:Especially in Armley ;)
GO MATTHEW!!!!!! I no many people will be supporting you.
mrsrayner
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11:52am Wed 5 Jan 11
MarkPullen
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11:53am Wed 5 Jan 11
mrsrayner wrote:This is what I love about these comments pages - the quality of the intellectual arguements and insight into life issues.
seriously! he is a very talented young person, is he hurting you and yours? he is not effecting your lives, because if he is you have all got issues. Life is too short, i personally think you all need to get a life, your living back in the day, times are changing. He will have more supporters than none. You all remind me of noris off coronation street. constant complaining over little things.
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What's your angle on the current developments in South Sudan and the floods in Australia.
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BTW - It's always nice to see new blood join the posters on these pages - look forward to reading more.
MarkPullen
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11:55am Wed 5 Jan 11
mrsrayner wrote:Wonder if you fish often?
we will see noris.
MarkPullen
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11:56am Wed 5 Jan 11
mrsrayner wrote:BTW - Of course he'll "have more supporters than none" - DOH!
seriously! he is a very talented young person, is he hurting you and yours? he is not effecting your lives, because if he is you have all got issues. Life is too short, i personally think you all need to get a life, your living back in the day, times are changing. He will have more supporters than none. You all remind me of noris off coronation street. constant complaining over little things.
Little Green Man
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12:37pm Wed 5 Jan 11
Seriously though, he has got talent, no more than any of thousands of art students up and down the country from what we have seen but thats no bad thing. If he has any sense he will use that talent and the publicity he has received to get some 'real art' down on paper and see if he can't earn a living off it - I hope he does.
MarkPullen
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1:22pm Wed 5 Jan 11
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Beats VictorMeldrew which I use on a forum already!
Kingchaser
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2:25pm Wed 5 Jan 11
Now, off to find out what Coronation Street is....isn't that scheduled to start in the future about 1960?
blt1
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4:37pm Wed 5 Jan 11
MarkPullen
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4:40pm Wed 5 Jan 11
blt1 wrote:Grumpy aged-man living in the past then?
I resent being called a grumpy old man living in the past.I'm actually middle aged
Kingchaser
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4:54pm Wed 5 Jan 11
I'm a bit unclear. I have been called all of them in the last few weeks!
rombalds revenge
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5:05pm Wed 5 Jan 11
Kingchaser
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5:15pm Wed 5 Jan 11
My brother reckons it's something to do with the height of one's waistband. It gradually gets higher and then when it reaches your armpits you die.
I'm stocking up on hipster jeans.
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Just noticed that my security word is acid-user. Could that account for my alleged dementia??
blt1
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6:23pm Wed 5 Jan 11
blt1
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7:43pm Wed 5 Jan 11
Kingchaser
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7:56pm Wed 5 Jan 11
blt1
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8:04pm Wed 5 Jan 11
Kingchaser
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8:14pm Wed 5 Jan 11
Kingchaser
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8:27pm Wed 5 Jan 11
blt1
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8:34pm Wed 5 Jan 11
Seriously though don't you think the best way to deal with antagonists(whoever they are)is to gently poke a bit of fun at them,this tends to get them more upset and in turn tends not to turn into just another slanging match.
MarkPullen
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8:39pm Wed 5 Jan 11
I'm more than happy to welcome those from all walks of life on these pages - trolls, politicians, superheros (you know - those with alter egos), students, etc etc
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Kingchaser
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8:43pm Wed 5 Jan 11
rombalds revenge
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8:47pm Wed 5 Jan 11
blt1 wrote:lol,is a pensioner allowed to use that?
I aways thought the best way to upset the status quo was to tell them to play a different chord. Seriously though don't you think the best way to deal with antagonists(whoever they are)is to gently poke a bit of fun at them,this tends to get them more upset and in turn tends not to turn into just another slanging match.
another measure of middle/old age is if you understand that joke.
Kingchaser
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9:19pm Wed 5 Jan 11
chiccaphotography
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7:23am Thu 6 Jan 11
The people that've got on their high horses about the illegality of Matthew's actions, how would you feel about set places for youngsters to do graffiti art?
Also, just because I feel like asking, have none of you EVER done anything illegal? Whether you were caught or not isn't what I'm asking, but it seems you're preaching against breaking the law, when in reality most people have broken at least 1 law at some point (speeding, underage drinking, etc).
MarkPullen
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8:13am Thu 6 Jan 11
chiccaphotography wrote:I have to challenge your statement that "there is absolutely nothing for children to do these days".
As has been said (and will no doubt be said again), Matthew has raised an issue that needs dealing with. Whether you agree with how he's raised it or not doesn't matter for the point he's making.... There is absolutely nothing for children to do these days, for many reasons, but the point still stands.
The people that've got on their high horses about the illegality of Matthew's actions, how would you feel about set places for youngsters to do graffiti art?
Also, just because I feel like asking, have none of you EVER done anything illegal? Whether you were caught or not isn't what I'm asking, but it seems you're preaching against breaking the law, when in reality most people have broken at least 1 law at some point (speeding, underage drinking, etc).
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What I will say is that what is offered doesn't necessarily meet the needs of all young people and therefore, sadly, there are some who need additional support and opportunities.
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With regards to set places for "graffiti art" - no issue with this at all. It's a bit like television - if you don't like sport you don't watch Sky Sports. If you don't like graffiti you don't go to designated areas.
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On your final point, as I commented previously on this page, I personally feel that if you are found breaking the law it is only fair to receive a punishment appropriate to the crime.
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My issue with this whole story is that the vandalism wasn't against purely a "public" building but also a place of religion and commercial property and yet the individual (whether making a point regarding the failure of society or causing pure irresponsible damage) is seen to be getting off scott free and the "art" still needs removing.
Little Green Man
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9:12am Thu 6 Jan 11
Kingchaser
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10:11am Thu 6 Jan 11
There may or may not be enough for kids to do in Keighley.
There may or may not be a case for building a graffiti wall in Keighley.
But do you really think that spraying on places of worship and commercial property (or property that belongs to us all) is helping the cause?
If you're tempted to answer "yes" then please think again. My guess is that most law-abiding taxpayers who are stumping up the cash to get the daubs removed would now be less likely to support a graffiti wall (and I doubt that they'd have had much support for it in the first place, frankly).
As an aside, I have broken the law and sometimes got away with it, speeding, drinking out of licensed hours etc, but two wrongs don't make a right. Just because some break the law in different ways it does not excuse any other law-breaking act.
johnbc
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4:02pm Thu 6 Jan 11
MarkPullen
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4:18pm Thu 6 Jan 11
johnbc wrote:At 19 he may well own four walls and a roof!
He probably isn't old enough to own a wall of his own but I wonder how he would like it if I were to spray a tag across his jacket?
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Maybe we could make him wear a suit and tie when he's socialising with the other "yoof"!
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Before I get criticised this is all tongue-in-cheek and meant to be light relief!!
ateeq09
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5:51pm Thu 6 Jan 11
blt1
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5:56pm Thu 6 Jan 11
ateeq09 wrote:I believe this is proper "yoof" talk as I have no idea what you just said.
This kids definitely got talent. he's sprayed his tag on the backside of his street and no one of the area seems to have a problem.
MarkPullen
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8:10am Fri 7 Jan 11
ateeq09 wrote:I agree - nobody else could copy images from a computer game using, in the main, primary colours and then write his/her name in a chunky font - defo talent innit?!
This kids definitely got talent. he's sprayed his tag on the backside of his street and no one of the area seems to have a problem.
Gypsy King
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2:12pm Thu 13 Jan 11
Give the lad a break, he's part of a subculture which is far less offensive and costly to the tax payer than those of you who's only culture is that of poisoning your liver and neglecting your families by boozing it up and causing a whole host of social and economic problems. I say cut all health care benefits for those sad, pathetic idiots who are causing themselves and the community real damage through the demon drink and put that money to better use by giving the youth of today something positive to work on rather than letting them become the next generation of alcoholics in denial.
MarkPullen
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2:25pm Thu 13 Jan 11
Gypsy King wrote:What a poetic posting ;)
Get a grip guys, he brightened up a miserable public place or two. Would you rather look at red brick covered with pigeon crap?
Give the lad a break, he's part of a subculture which is far less offensive and costly to the tax payer than those of you who's only culture is that of poisoning your liver and neglecting your families by boozing it up and causing a whole host of social and economic problems. I say cut all health care benefits for those sad, pathetic idiots who are causing themselves and the community real damage through the demon drink and put that money to better use by giving the youth of today something positive to work on rather than letting them become the next generation of alcoholics in denial.
Gypsy King
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3:20pm Thu 13 Jan 11
MarkPullen
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3:35pm Thu 13 Jan 11
Gypsy King wrote:Couldn't be further from the truth!
Bit too close to home? ;D
Little Green Man says...
11:52am Thu 30 Dec 10